Florida considers printing Christian-themed Vanity Plates

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I honestly could care less. Note that despite the headline, this would be an optional vanity plate, not a required state plate or anything. It was my understanding that vanity plates were a source of income for the state, in which case producing a religious-themed one is just the same as producing a sports-themed one. Some people would buy it, right? But I love the quote here:

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"It's not a road I want to go down. I don't want to see the Star of David next. I don't want to see a Torah next. None of that stuff is appropriate to me," said Skidmore, a Democrat who voted against the plate in committee. "I just believe that."

So you see, it's not that the Christian nature of it is what's bad. It's that it creates a precedent that might contaminate the roads with symbols of Judaism!

I thought half of the Jews in the US lived in Boca anyway?

But of course the ACLU is already on it, ready, willing and able to embarrass itself and diminish its own meaning.

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Are they willing to approve "Satn Rulz" as well as "ILUV JEBUS"?

I guess the answer is no: Bullard, the plate's sponsor, isn't sure all groups should be able to express their preference. If atheists came up with an "I Don't Believe" plate, for example, he would probably oppose it.

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If there are sufficient folks that wish to buy the more expensive plates, then by all means go ahead I say.
If enough people want Jewish/Muslim/FSM/Hera plates again let them.

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I actually don't find this much more different than a bumper sticker. The only thing I'd insist upon however is that sauce for the goose must again be sauce for the gander. If Muslims, Wiccans, or Atheists want to thus identify and spend a premium on Florida license plates, there should be nothing stopping them from creating a plate of their own. If this is truly a speech issue, I don't even have a problem with porn afficianados getting their own plates.

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I have to fear that an atheist plate in parts of Florida will be like a "Bash This Car" bumpersticker.

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I have to fear that an atheist plate in parts of Florida will be like a "Bash This Car" bumpersticker.

It's all about Christian Tolerance(tm).

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Robear wrote:
I have to fear that an atheist plate in parts of Florida will be like a "Bash This Car" bumpersticker.

It's all about Christian Tolerance(tm).

Just don't suggest that anyone clings to intolerance for any reason other than the desire to serve God and support America.

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Funkenpants wrote:
Paleocon wrote:
Robear wrote:
I have to fear that an atheist plate in parts of Florida will be like a "Bash This Car" bumpersticker.

It's all about Christian Tolerance(tm).

Just don't suggest that anyone clings to intolerance for any reason other than the desire to serve God and support America.

Oh, I should amend that. Vandalism and intimidation are just two byproducts of the playful combination of Christian Tolerance(tm) and Southern Hospitality(tm).

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Don't forget we have a ton of catholics down here too.

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Oh, I should amend that. Vandalism and intimidation are just two byproducts of the playful combination of Christian Tolerance(tm) and Southern Hospitality(tm).

You left out "rural charm" and "small town values." It's like we're back in the 1920s when it was all about small town folks versus the city slickers and the prospect of waves of unclean immigrants pouring into America made everyone go nuts.

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Funkenpants wrote:
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Oh, I should amend that. Vandalism and intimidation are just two byproducts of the playful combination of Christian Tolerance(tm) and Southern Hospitality(tm).

You left out "rural charm" and "small town values." It's like we're back in the 1920s when it was all about small town folks versus the city slickers and the prospect of waves of unclean immigrants pouring into America made everyone go nuts.

Ah, yes. How could I forget the myth of the Simple Everyman(tm)? The small town hick with all the right answers (as long as those answers are to repeal all Civil Rights legislation since 1860).

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The anti-immigration sentiment popular these days has me really ticked off.

I mean, after all, if it had been like this a little less than a century ago, my ancestors wouldn't have come over here and I'd probably either never have been born, or speaking Slovak, living somewhere in the middle of either the Czech Republic or Slovakia. Hmm... Well, nevermind. That's almost preferable. I'd probably be in better health, better educated, and multilingual, too.

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I know it's hard to resist the temptation in a thread like this, but can we please go easy on the Christian-bashing? They see this as nothing but expressing their beliefs and feel that any impediment to doing so is proof of persecution. The snark would only add some legitimacy to their otherwise ridiculous case.

What I think is more important than their religion is that they believe that announcing their beliefs to the world is a matter of free speech but if anyone else wants to, it's "inappropriate."

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LobsterMobster wrote:
I know it's hard to resist the temptation in a thread like this, but can we please go easy on the Christian-bashing? They see this as nothing but expressing their beliefs and feel that any impediment to doing so is proof of persecution. The snark would only add some legitimacy to their otherwise ridiculous case.

What I think is more important than their religion is that they believe that announcing their beliefs to the world is a matter of free speech but if anyone else wants to, it's "inappropriate."


I read what she said differently than you, especially in context:
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Some lawmakers say the state should be careful. Rep. Kelly Skidmore said she is a Roman Catholic and goes to Mass on Sundays, but she believes the "I Believe" plate is inappropriate for the government to produce.

"It's not a road I want to go down. I don't want to see the Star of David next. I don't want to see a Torah next. None of that stuff is appropriate to me," said Skidmore, a Democrat who voted against the plate in committee. "I just believe that."


When coupled with the preceding paragraph, I can't help but see the "None" as referring to all religions on license plates, including Christianity.

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Point taken Quintin, but is the "road" part of her comment that made me wonder.

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We have a "family values" and a "choose life" plate... this is sadly not that much of a stretch.

Edit: I'd get a FSM plate though. Good idea.

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No, I read it as "none of that stuff" referring to Stars of David and Torahs. As a Christian, those are not "appropriate" to her and she does not want to open the door to them. Her phrase is "I don't want to see" and she singles out Judaic symbols.

My wife went to high school with Catholics who seriously believed she was descended from Christ-killers. There are still people who believe that, and I think this woman is one of them. Perhaps my view is colored by experience, but I'm well familiar with even well-heeled antisemitism.

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Robear wrote:
My wife went to high school with Catholics who seriously believed she was descended from Christ-killers. There are still people who believe that, and I think this woman is one of them. Perhaps my view is colored by experience, but I'm well familiar with even well-heeled antisemitism.

I'm Catholic and I've never held any anger towards Judaism regarding the death of Christ, nor is that a sentiment I've EVER encountered among the Catholics I've known.

In all seriousness, Christians should be grateful to the people who killed Christ, because if they hadn't, and if he really hadn't ever sinned, and was born without Original Sin, as all of the doctrine claims, then he never would've died in the first place, not even from natural causes, and thereby we wouldn't have salvation.

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Don't you see? Having special Christian license plates will be the only way God knows who's supposed to get cheaper gas.

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I understand that, NS, but how many Jews lived in your area? In this area, when I was growing up, it was the largest community outside New York, as far as I know, and there was certainly some social resentment that came out in casual antisemitism.

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Robear wrote:
I understand that, NS, but how many Jews lived in your area? In this area, when I was growing up, it was the largest community outside New York, as far as I know, and there was certainly some social resentment that came out in casual antisemitism.

Well, the closest Jewish community that has any significant population is Squirrel Hill in Pittsburgh, approximately 25-30 minutes away. Which means, not many in my area.

My comment was out of surprise that you seemed to expect the rest of us to understand that antisemitism was common enough that it didn't need explanation. When you combine the Western PA Catholic dioceses, you get a pretty big Catholic community, and the idea that Jews are responsible for it has never been raised in my experience in all three of those large dioceses. I just didn't think it was a common prejudice.

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Right. The reason I asked is that bias is much more likely against a large minority than a small or not present one. So I was able to guess that there were not many in your area (although I could easily have been wrong, that's the way to bet.)

For me, it was like racism - just part of the everyday background of life in my childhood. So yeah, common until Israel's wars got them more attention and the whole ecumenical movement took off in the 70's (I kind of miss that, actually, although Catholics are still giving it a go with Protestants.) After that, it faded a bit; it's considered pretty low-class today.

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Robear wrote:
Right. The reason I asked is that bias is much more likely against a large minority than a small or not present one. So I was able to guess that there were not many in your area (although I could easily have been wrong, that's the way to bet.)

For me, it was like racism - just part of the everyday background of life in my childhood. So yeah, common until Israel's wars got them more attention and the whole ecumenical movement took off in the 70's (I kind of miss that, actually, although Catholics are still giving it a go with Protestants.) After that, it faded a bit; it's considered pretty low-class today.

Hey! Your calling racists "low class" is evidence of elitism!

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Like anyone would call me elitist. Piffle and tosh, say I!

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It's win-win, really: the state generates revenue, "believers" feel warm and validated, and I as a fellow motorist see what amounts to a high-visibility "Snakehandler on Board" sign.

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It's win-win, really: the state generates revenue, "believers" feel warm and validated, and I as a fellow motorist see what amounts to a high-visibility "Snakehandler on Board" sign.

If you get into a car accident with a Christian they'll throw snakes at you? Holy crap... I've been driving through a minefield! And once I clear the minefield I drive next to Christians who could throw snakes at me!

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I do home there's a large enough collection of Pastafarians down there to get some sweet FSM license plates made.

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Yet we have separation of church and state laws but not separation of sport and state laws...

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I hate the fish symbol car people VS the fish with legs symbol car people. I think I should stay out of this, although I wll say that putting stuff like this opens people up to ridicule and vandalism to their cars, simply because it's religion and it's easy.

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Yet we have separation of church and state laws but not separation of sport and state laws...

Which laws in particular are you talking about? The first amendment was designed to allow people to not have religious choices dictated to them by the federal government.

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