Oh and to answer some early questions.

The Goodjer horde is not a guild name, just somthing I called us all.

Not that I will oppose such a name.

Ok, I responded to the survey... now how does one view the results?

That is what i get for posting on my Blackberry

I will post the results once it is complete, or i decide to pay for a survey monkey account that will allow me to show the results before it is done.

What exactly is the difference between PvE and PvP servers in this title? Is city/faction warfare ongoing in both types, and the only difference is in whether there are pvp-free regions or not? Or something else?

There's no factions. It's basically guild v guild.

The PvP servers except for cities and guild cities are FFA pvp. The starting area doesn't allow characters 20+ into the zone.

The PvE servers only have FFA pvp in specific zones and of course in the border kingdoms where we would fight to take control of a battle keep.

That could all change tommorow though.

Reminder: There will be dungeons to raid and bosses to down, but the main focus of the end game for this title is PvP.

Well if the consensus is to go with a pvp server, I'm definitely rolling a guardian =) It will take a long time to kill me and my huge polearm swings will hurt, if not kill, multiple attackers.

I know every ganker is going to roll an assassin or ranger.

Actually those might make decent defensive characters as well. An Assassin would pop out of stealth, destroy something in seconds, pop back in to stealth. Or in the Ranger's case, stealth till you find an occluded perch, fire off some arrow to kill the mob then pop stealth again.

Not countering or anything just food for thought.

I have level 6 characters on a pvp realm in WoW, and yes there are times where the ganking is annoying, but i can count them on 1 hand. In fact shortly after release i remember the massive lowbie wars we had between TM and South Shore while trying to level.
It wasn't ganking, it was strait world pvp as God intended it.

My issue is that there seems to be this very false or embellished expectation of what a pvp server is like.

They are not like the 2 red servers from EQ anymore.
Anyway I am going to post the results from the survey after a cup of coffee this morning.

I totally wasn't expecting it to be split so close and more surprised that PvP won.

I was in the process of posting along the same lines, but had to actually do some work

As much as i want to play on a pvp server i want to be able to make a difference in the game. I would really hate to get rolling and see half of the guild leave a month in because they were frustrated from the pvp. If the vote had lopsided in PVP's favor i would gladly stand and say. "The people have spoken". As it stands i'd rather have a strong presence in the game.

I tend to agree. My question is how many of the people who chose PvP would be unwilling to commit (primarily play) on the Goodjer PvE server vs. how many people who chose PvE would be unwilling to commit to the Goodjer PvP server?

I think we'd have much more people unwilling to "upgrade" to PvP vs "downgrade" to PvE. I would prefer PvP but I think it would be much harder to draw in additional players.

Again just my thoughts based on past experience but if we want any chance to be an actual GWJ Guild that can do stuff vs a GWJ Guild that can't or a group of GWJ that play as a group in another guild it has to be PvE.

PvE in this game still has PvP elements which may be enough to hold the attention of the PvP crowd but our player base is what I would deem super casual.

Just using LoTRO as an example we had our own guild at first and it started off fairly strong but after a couple months it was basically dead but for 3 or 4 regulars and the ocassional super casual player. Then the regulars moved on to a more regular but similiar mind set guild that eventually got the super casuals to follow and we became effective as a guild again.

LoTRO has been one of the easiest games to level in that I have ever played and we have a few low to mid level GWJ members still.

None of this is a bad thing at all but I really want to highly stress that if we want to be successful as a GWJ Guild we need to be on a PvE server and even then I would go further and say we should actually find us a group of like minded players and team with them to form a guild.

The basic fact is you need a critical mass of players to do things as a guild in these games and the more casual you are as a group the more people you need to raise the chances of having people to group with.

I could be wrong and we may get a ton of GWJ this time and we all stick around and play often but we need to keep in mind the style of players we are as a group and how it works in games like this.

All that said I would really prefer a PvP server and so much so I am not 100% sure that I want to make a PvE server character at least till I get a chance to try the PvP rule set they come out with.

3. If the Goodjer Horde as a whole settles on a different ruleset server than you are looking for will you still play with them?

Yes - 41.4% - 12
No - 6.9% - 2
Yes, but I will split my time (alt on different server) - 17.2% - 5
Yes, but I will split my time (alt on the goodjer server) - 34.5% - 10

ahh i can break that down for you give me a little bit.

Technically, it was a tie.; there was one vote for rp-pvp, and two for rp-pve, so that's 13 votes each. I'd imagine RP folks would gravitate towards a similar playtype non rp server.

As for PvE vs PvP, I was one of the PvE, and if GWJ was on a PvP realm, I'd roll an alt there, but not likely do much with that toon. I've said it before, and at the risk of being a broken record, I can't deal with other folks wasting my limited gaming time. Come to think of it, even before being married and having kids, I hated people wasting my gaming time. I suppose I'm just not one for FFA PvP.

It should be noted that GWJ Alliance on Blackhand is not, by and large, made up of active GWJ Forum/Web site members. If you have a solid core of 20-25 people from here and then expand as you find those with a similar mindset, you'll have a guild that will persist.

I am on the fence when it comes to PvE or PvP without knowing the full details of how it's implemented. For that reason, I'm more of a mind to say PvE because there's more than can go wrong with the PvP option.

A couple more aspects strike me as problematic in regards to PvP.

Play time: I am not sure about everyone else (I doubt I am alone in this), but my available play times are not standard. For starters, I am west coast, but beyond that, I often have time to play (WoW at the moment) in the AM hours, some smattering in the afternoon, and typically in the later evening. It's all well and good to talk about how we'll band together to protect and aid, I am just not sure there will be people there at the odd hours I keep some days. It's easy to prepare and attend organized runs, but the bulk of play is still going to be of the casual, whenever I have time, sort. It would be a shame if PvP was such that being able to play at quiet hours was frustrating at best. This would drive me away from the game.

Spouse: The best possible scenario for long term success in our household is for the game to draw my wife's interest into it. It worked well with WoW. She loves the game, has raided, run countless 5-mans, etc. However, she's still not big on the PvP side of things as she doesn't find the chaos and challenges of BGs & Arenas to her liking. She might find organized guild PvP fun, but I know she won't like having her 4am pre-work play time ruined by gankers.

Again, I will go with the flow here and likely to enjoy whatever we choose, but if we are talking about the best possible scenarios for long term success...