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Location: St. Pete, Florida

Well, I'm working toward an engineering degree and should be transferring to the USF Engineering program next year. My problem (and possibly most people who want to be an engineer) is discipline, discipline, discipline or field, field, field, whichever you like.

I've been focusing on a Chemical Engineering degree because I love science and felt it would be very challenging. I know that a lot of CE jobs are plant related but I really wanted to get into something different such as new energy or research.

Here is the issue, my wife really wants to end up in North Carolina. We have been in Florida forever (grew up here) and she has worked very hard her whole life and I'm fine with letting her choose the area as long as jobs are available. I just don't feel (or have read) about many CE opportunities (non plant related) there.

So, I am thinking about going the EE route instead where there should be ample jobs in that state.

I have been to the various govt labor dept of jobs sites, etc to get info but want to hear from others about experience, locales, industry news etc.

Reason I ask so early before transfer is I take so many classes I have room for extra ones and those need to be geared toward my future engineering degree. (i.e do I take Chem 2 and lab this semester or some type of electronics course?)

Other things to consider:
USF has a 5 year program which means with only one extra year I can exit with a Masters in my chosen discipline

If I go Masters route, I'll be 37 upon graduation with plenty of technical and military background, but no real "engineering" experience.

If I go EE, I don't want just a coding job or such, I want something challenging, etc.

If not EE, then what?

Thank for your time all!

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My engineering studies and aptitude has been ruined by constant seeking of wine, women, video games, song and fun in general.

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I'm not an engineer, but I do have some advice. You're not going to be happy if you pick the path with jobs available vs. the path that you enjoy. If you're good at what you do, you'll find the right job no matter which path you choose, so pick the one that's going to make you happy.

Remember, the decision you make now could very well be what you have to live with for the rest of your working days.

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My wife got her PhD in Chemical Engineering, and worked several years with ExxonMobil. She did not care for it very much. She is now a stay at home mom. I have a mechanical engineering degree, and then got a masters in Engineering Sciences (Materials Focus). I'm now so far away from true engineering work, I might have forgotten what real engineering work is.

I know there are true engineering jobs out there, but I believe that if you graduate with an engineering degree, if you decide to work outside your field, you are very likely to be successful because you have established the work ethic, and you have proven it to any prospective employer by the degree you earned.

Personally, I love materials engineering, with the marriage of Mechanical and Chemical engineering (in the way I loved both disciplines). I worked for several years performing failure analyses in Louisiana, and absolutely loved it -- I just hated the industry aspect of the work I did. I now am partially involved in the materials industry, but not in a direct engineering capacity. I do occasionally work on design, and have to pull out Roarks (sp?) Stress-Strain book every once in a while.

I say choose the one you feel enjoy the most, and go for it. If you do want to get involved with research, certainly look hard at the post-graduate degrees (especially thesis degrees, not just classes with a test). It definitely will help.

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karmajay wrote:
If I go EE, I don't want just a coding job or such, I want something challenging, etc.

I don't know whether to take offense to that statement or not. You just insulted me twice. Firstly by saying coding jobs aren't challenging and secondly by lumping me in with EE's. Don't you know never to compare a Computer Engineer with an Electrical Engineer. Don't worry, I'm just giving you a hard time. EE's are my sworn enemy, and we must be on guard against them at all times.

Really, you should do what ever you will enjoy most. If you can talk to people who have gone through the various programs, do! Find out what they thought of it, where they are at now and what they enjoyed/hated about it. I can talk to you about Computer Engineering if you want, and I have a friend who took Electrical Engineering who would probably love to talk about what she does.

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karmajay wrote:
If I go EE, I don't want just a coding job or such, I want something challenging, etc.

That would usually mean switching to CSC or CPE. I started out as EE, but with 3 years of lab experience in High School, by the time I reached my Junior year I was bored silly with it, and my grades were reflective of that. Coding jobs can be challenging if you're trying to produce something that's high quality and goes beyond just satisfying the minimal functional requirements. It's really up to the individual whether they want to involve more design work with their coding. I wouldn't give either up at this point.

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You can definately get a job in the energy industry with Chem. E.
The problem is most of those jobs are in Texas, Oklahoma, Alaska, corporate offices of the giants and on rigs in random places.

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Tkyl wrote:

I don't know whether to take offense to that statement or not. You just insulted me twice. Firstly by saying coding jobs aren't challenging and secondly by lumping me in with EE's. Don't you know never to compare a Computer Engineer with an Electrical Engineer. Don't worry, I'm just giving you a hard time. EE's are my sworn enemy, and we must be on guard against them at all times.

Sitting at a computer all day is for p*ss**s. I've got an EE and work for a power company and get to spend 1/3 of my time outside. Granted it maybe in crappy weather when I'm outside sometimes, but it is better than being stuck at a computer in a cubicle. There is nothing like playing with 25 kv and megawatts when doing substation switching. 25 kilovolts vs. 5 volts..... Tell me, what sounds like more fun to work with everyday. Good news is, there is a power company in every town.

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If I go EE, I don't want just a coding job or such, I want something challenging, etc.

I guess to clarify a classmate of mine (we both work full time) works for a technical company and most of the EEs he knows does coding work. Why? I have no idea. I'm sure coding is challenging but when I think EE I think nanotech (although I see a lot of CE in that field as well) or new tech stuff.

I appreciate all the help so far. For me, I'm going to love having a job in any branch that gives me a challenging job that will give my family a better life. I messed up and did not go to school right out of the military and have been bouncing around low paying jobs ever since always striving for more due to my military experience but always hitting the "non-degree" ceiling and having to start over due to company layoff etc.

This degree will allow me to be more financially secure and be able to (hopefully) challenge my skills and cranium.

As far as choosing the field you like, it really is tough to tell exactly "what" each field is capable of. Due to the age thing, i guess i feel I have one chance to "get it right:. I guess Sheared said it best that like other degrees a lot of people branch out into areas. If I move forward in CE, USF also has a good materials minor and they are doing some research I believe.

Also , how do people feel about leaving school with a Masters vice Bachelor?

Keep the opinions coming

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You can definately get a job in the energy industry with Chem. E.
The problem is most of those jobs are in Texas, Oklahoma, Alaska, corporate offices of the giants and on rigs in random places

Yeah, don't wanna work for any oil companies. To work in energy i mean upcoming technologies, although like I said, I was also looking into materials science to go along with the CE.

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I've got a degree in Electrical Engineering along with a Professional Engineering license. I work in the power industry, with a focus on power transmission system operations and expansion planning. It's an exciting and challenging field, and it's also an industry with an aging workforce who will be in dire need of engineers in 5-10 years.

So far as working on new technologies, power generation and storage and big issues, and some of the challenging facing our industry is to work on how to incorporate renewable energy projects onto the power system. For example, the forecasts are estimating 20,000 MWs of wind generation in Oklahoma and Kansas within 20 years, how can we integrate that wind energy to the grid, deliver that power from where the wind is to where the load is, and operate the system with resources that are intermittent. Some other challenges that the industry will be facing coming up will are demand-side management, energy markets, distributed generation, integration of electric vehicles. Some new technologies that will be emerging are superconductors, energy storage, DC power transmission, solid-state switching.

So far as jobs in North Carolina (in my industry), ABB has a large work force in Raleigh. Additionally, Duke Energy is in Charlotte. With a degree in EE, you can work almost anywhere, specifically if you focus on building electrical systems, industrial distribution systems, or control systems.

I wish you well in your studies and would be willing to answer any questions that I can.

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I am a Computer Engineer who is about to graduate.

Computer Engineers hate being thrown in with EE's especially one's graduating now. Since Computer Engineering used to be EE some of the older EE's, especially ones who code are practically Computer Engineers.

The only thing we hate more is being confused with Computer Science!

At least on our campus there is quite the rivalry between the CompE's and the CompSci's.

If its "just a coding" job then its not engineering, real software engineering is different from being a code monkey. HR departments don't always know the difference, make sure you check before taking any job. Unless you need the money.

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I would say that you ought not pick the field based on job prospects -- the tradeoff probably won't seem like a good one years down the road when you're not doing what you would like to be doing.

My background is not likely helpful, but here it is for what it's worth. I got a Bachelor's and Master's in Aerospace Engineering, then went into law. I knew a few people who wanted to work in aerospace but chose EE or ME instead of AE, because aerospace companies hire people with those degrees as well, and those degrees don't narrow your choices as much as AE. But none of the people I know who went the AE route ever seemed to regret it (even the ones who have been laid off a few times). They really wanted to be in aerospace and were willing to risk the more difficult job market.

When I was in school I knew several people studying ChemE, but I can't say much about it other than: (i) they tended to be cooler than the rest of us (I am not saying they thought they were cooler -- they really were cooler, and generally very nice people), and (ii) that field seems very different from the other engineering disciplines -- it is the one that I feel like I understand the least. Something about polymers and distillation towers, I think.

Good luck with your decision.

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Ever thought about Arizona, specifically Tucson. PM me if your interested my company is always on the look out for EE's.

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I had several friends go the Chem E path, if that's the path you're taking then Chem classes are probably the way to go. You'll have Organic Chem. and Physical Chem. ahead of you, and judging by their groaning about the subjects, you'll definitely want to be ready for those. I definitely benefited from an extra chem class when I was in the sole Chem E class I had to take.

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When I was in school I knew several people studying ChemE, but I can't say much about it other than: (i) they tended to be cooler than the rest of us (I am not saying they thought they were cooler -- they really were cooler, and generally very nice people), and (ii) that field seems very different from the other engineering disciplines -- it is the one that I feel like I understand the least. Something about polymers and distillation towers, I think.
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I had a double major in CS and EE. From my experience the EE crowd in my school tend to me more laid back and more prone to do more outside of EE activities (more social-able). So EE is definitely a good choice.

I think that Civil Engineering is actually a good field to get into because
1) not much competition
2) a lot of more practical knowledge (you know for the post-apocalypse survival )
3) Less work load (means more time to enjoy college! Trust me, you DO NOT want to miss out on all the fun like I did )
4) According to my job adviser around our graduation time, Civ Engineers are in HIGH demand...
5) You will be in a better position to help make our civilization more environment friendly!

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Is it sad that when I saw the title of this thread, the first engineer I thought of was this:

then the second I thought of was this:

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Also , how do people feel about leaving school with a Masters vice Bachelor?
If you want to do government work, the Masters will pay off right away. If you don't, though, at your age I would be more worried about getting out there and gaining experience than a fancier degree.

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karmajay wrote:
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You can definately get a job in the energy industry with Chem. E.
The problem is most of those jobs are in Texas, Oklahoma, Alaska, corporate offices of the giants and on rigs in random places

Yeah, don't wanna work for any oil companies. To work in energy i mean upcoming technologies, although like I said, I was also looking into materials science to go along with the CE.

See I go to OU. When you say "energy industry" I think Oil, exploration and refineries.

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If you're interested in chemical engineering and your wife would settle on being REAL close to NC. I then recommend Eastman Chemical in Kingsport TN.

Kingsport is their main office, but they do have a location in NC so depending on what you did you could end up with a win/win.

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1. Find the engineering path that suits what you want to do. If you are doing what you like, you will succeed. If you are looking at money/jobs first, you won't make it and/or you will hate what you do every day.

2. Go for the Master's degree if it is needed for the field you choose. Many of my coworkers who have graduate degrees regret them. I don't have a graduate degree, and I still got the same job I would have w/o it. "Graduate school is for chumps." - A Coworker

3. Find a program with internships if you can. I had ~2 years engineering work experience when I graduated w/ a bachelor's degree in CpE, and I had companies calling me for interviews. If you make a good impression at a company that takes interns, you have excellent chances of getting a job when you graduate.

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Good input so far!

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3) Less work load (means more time to enjoy college! Trust me, you DO NOT want to miss out on all the fun like I did

I'm in my 30s, married and left my drinking days behind me in the navy so not too worried about the partying.

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1. Find the engineering path that suits what you want to do. If you are doing what you like, you will succeed. If you are looking at money/jobs first, you won't make it and/or you will hate what you do every day.

Good points. I guess what I say to you and other that have said do what you enjoy vice money jobs is, how the heck do you know what jobs are out there?

I really initially chose the CE direction because I thought it would be more science related (although I guess a lot is plant ops). The"path that suits what you want to do" gets me though. There is no book of engineering jobs that derive from various fields. I know I'll make good money in any field so that is why I'm trolling for info to make some decisions.

Bennard, great points. That info is kind of what I'm looking for in regards to what kind of jobs are available out there. And again, NC is top of my wife's list for places to move after I get out of school.

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and some of the challenging facing our industry is to work on how to incorporate renewable energy projects onto the power system

See, this interests me.

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There is no book of engineering jobs that derive from various fields.

Really you need to look at it the other way around. Don't think, what jobs can I get from this degree. But rather, think what degree do I need to get to do this job. Think about what job it is you want to do. That will tell you what degree you need.

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Well, I've certainly been enlightened... I always thought Electrical Engineers were the folks that operated model railroads.

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I was going to speak up as a software engineer, but then I read the "If I go EE, I don't want just a coding job or such, I want something challenging, etc." and was blinded by fury!!!11

Well no, not really. I think an EE degree for doing coding is a disservice anyway. A comp sci degree is going to be a lot easier.

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I graduated with my Masters in EE myself, focused on Computer Engineering. I'm now doing systems engineering for a big company you've heard of, but I can't see myself doing this long-term. To be honest, I like software development and wouldn't mind doing that.

I don't know what to recommend, but just want to let you know that one of the fields in EE is Power which may have some tie to chemical engineering principles. Also, a lot of the chemical engineers I knew were interested in the biomedical stuff, which is a field that signal processing and now devices (research MEMS) are used in.

Also know the advice sheared gave about an engineering education is totally true.