Which second language should a kid learn?

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I don't speak a second language, but I feel like forcing my nine-year old kid to learn one to prepare him for the future. Spanish, French or Chinese are the big choices in my area. Which would you choose for a kid? Is learning a language something that can wait until he's older? How do you encourage a kid to learn a new language when everyone around him speaks only English?

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Chinese or Spanish. My choice would be Chinese.

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Surely it would be Dutch. The one reason? I speak it!

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I'm from Texas. Spanish would be my choice. That said, I believe that there are 1 billion + people that speak Chinese so thats not a bad decision either.

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I'm pretty sure the school wouldn't teach that until they filled out the class for advanced Klingon.

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I think Spanish is probably the easier choice. Since you are looking into starting so young, I would go with Mandarin Chinese. A lot of school systems still offer French and Spanish, but there isn't that much general use in knowing French, so if your schools don't offer Chinese, your kid can take Spanish in high school, and know Chinese from your efforts.

Immersion is always the best way to learn a language, but that is clearly not an option for you. In general, the older you get, the harder it is to learn a new language. I would think that checking your library for conversational audiotapes would be a good place to start, it will give you some audio to work with, but no text. That said, they are almost all terribly boring, especially for a nine year old, and the best bet for a good incentive for a kid would be a text-heavy import game. I can't think of any Chinese-language games, but I know there was a series of DS games that were advertised as language tools, they looked like interactive versions of conversational audio tapes. Maybe they have a Chinese one?

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Edwin wrote:
Chinese or Spanish. My choice would be Chinese.
I second this based on where the company I work for is expanding.

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Chinese. Pick the one that is less common but still needed for commerce. Job security. Plus Spanish is easier to learn as an adult.

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Latin, Chinese, Arabic.

In that order. Also remember that there are different spoken versions of Chinese but they're all the same written.

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Chinese or Spanish.

Chinese if you want him to be a spy or counter-spy.
Also consider Arabic, though 15-20 years from now the middle east may or may not be the next Soviet Union.

I'd also ask your son if he wants to/what he'd prefer. I'll never forget the day my dad picked me up from a friend's house and asked "trumpet or saxophone?" I answered saxophone, and was promplty given a clarinet. Ah, the power of choice...

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LobsterMobster wrote:
Latin, Chinese, Arabic.

I had to learn latin as a kid. Never was my time so greatly wasted.

Scaphism wrote:
I'll never forget the day my dad picked me up from a friend's house and asked "trumpet or saxophone?" I answered saxophone, and was promplty given a clarinet. Ah, the power of choice...

I had the exact same experience with my step-father, who said that once you learned clarinet you could easily switch to playing saxophone. In the end we compromised by me not learning to play anything.

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But seriously, I'd have to agree with the Spanish/Arabic/Chinese mentioned earlier. All of them are spoken far more commonly in the world than English is, and all seem to offer many opportunities both presently and in the future. Although as Floris mentioned, Dutch >>> Everything. But that's just because we're so damn cool.

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Spanish, just to be neighborly. Plus he'll have a bunch of new TV and radio stations open to him then.

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Latin? Why not Sandscrit while you're at it? Chinese or Spanish would come in handy. You can teach him Arabic only if you want him to be pestered by the CIA to "help them out" for the rest of his life.

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I would agree with Chinese/Arabic/Spanish. Spanish is easier to learn as a adult than the other two. Spanish is the most likely to be useful to a non-international businessperson. When all is said and done though, whichever one holds interest.

As for teaching, dive in yourself. Having someone to chat with, even in a rudimentary style, helps dramatically. I'm trying to relearn my long neglected Spanish right now for when my daughter is ready. When my wife wanted to work on German, I listened to the lessons when I could and worked with her. It isn't as good as true immersion, but it beats talking to the wall, and a lot comes from listening.

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Spanish. Chinese is probably the sexier choice, but it's tough to learn a language with the promise that he'll someday need it. Plus, I'm not sure learning Spanish in high school will necessarily translate to a useful grasp of the language.

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Plus, I'm not sure learning Spanish in high school will necessarily translate to a useful grasp of the language.

Depends. It definitely helps anyway and if you keep using it to expand your vocab it's pretty much done it's job. It also depends what type of Spanish you're taught. Spanish from Spain is slightly different from Mexico and can cause some embarrasing moments.

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Plus, I'm not sure learning Spanish in high school will necessarily translate to a useful grasp of the language.

Depends. It definitely helps anyway and if you keep using it to expand your vocab it's pretty much done it's job. It also depends what type of Spanish you're taught. Spanish from Spain is slightly different from Mexico and can cause some embarrasing moments.

Although Mexican Spanish is the closest to Castilian (Spain) Spanish of all Latin American Countries. I took Spanish in high school but learned mostly through my Dominican friends in my neighborhood. Working in restaurants all the Mexicans thought it was extremely funny to see a Japanese guy talking like a Dominican. Good times were had by all.

Mandarin is a great language to know for business, but something like 2/3 of China speak a dialect of Cantonese as their primary language. I know growing up in New York City it was very rare to hear someone speaking in Mandarin as opposed to Cantonese.

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Trainwreck wrote:
Mandarin is a great language to know for business, but something like 2/3 of China speak a dialect of Cantonese as their primary language.

So how big is the difference between the two dialects? Can people who speak one understand the other because of the similarities, sort of like what I've heard spanish and italian people can do?

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When all is said and done though, whichever one holds interest.

He says he wants to learn italian. Which isn't a bad choice for me either if I try to learn it with him.

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Chinese or Spanish. My choice would be Chinese.

Probably in that order, definitly. Chinese, Spanish, or German. Although having finally travelled to Europe, many people speak English all over the place, except for security guards at Charles DeGaul (sic) Airport. Those snooty f*cks.

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Funkenpants wrote:
Trainwreck wrote:
Mandarin is a great language to know for business, but something like 2/3 of China speak a dialect of Cantonese as their primary language.

So how big is the difference between the two dialects? Can people who speak one understand the other because of the similarities, sort of like what I've heard spanish and italian people can do?

They're mostly (totally, maybe) different, though the written language is the same. Most native speakers outside of China speak Cantonese, presumably because Hong Kong speaks Cantonese. Here's a map of what is spoken and where. Mandarin is probably as standard as it gets.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_Cantonese

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Mandarin is a great language to know for business, but something like 2/3 of China speak a dialect of Cantonese as their primary language.

So how big is the difference between the two dialects? Can people who speak one understand the other because of the similarities, sort of like what I've heard spanish and italian people can do?

I am by no means an expert or even very knowledgeable about the two but from my experience they are very different. Basic grammatical structure is the same but the vocabulary is completely different. Cantonese uses very hard tonal sounds while Mandarin is much softer. All the Chinese friends I had spoke Cantonese and couldn't speak or from what I could gather understand Mandarin very well.

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Funkenpants wrote:
So how big is the difference between the two dialects?

I speak kitchen Cantonese and high school level Mandarin and when my Cantonese runs out, I can switch over to Mandarin and people understand me fine. It's a bit like blanking every third word out and the written language is identical (in this country anyway)

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Mandarin is a great language to know for business, but something like 2/3 of China speak a dialect of Cantonese as their primary language.

I think that's overstating the prevalence of Cantonese a bit. Here in the USA, it's completely pervasive due to immigration from Hong Kong, Vietnam and pre-communist China, but globally it's a distant second to Mandarin. A lot of popular culture also emanates from Hong Kong so that's why Cantonese is so popular in Asia as well.

Mandarin is tough to get truly fluent in as the grammatical structures are different and as a tonal language, not good for people who can't hear the inflections. Spanish is easier to pronounce and the grammar is more similar to English.

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Cantonese uses very hard tonal sounds while Mandarin is much softer.

Cantonese uses 7 tones (technically 9 but no one can really distinguish the last 2) and Mandarin uses a subset of 4 of those tones. Cantonese is just more dramatic......

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Caveat: I speak English, Mandarin, Cantonese and I'm learning Spanish

Funkenpants wrote:
So how big is the difference between the two dialects?

I speak kitchen Cantonese and high school level Mandarin and when my Cantonese runs out, I can switch over to Mandarin and people understand me fine. It's a bit like blanking every third word out and the written language is identical (in this country anyway)

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Mandarin is a great language to know for business, but something like 2/3 of China speak a dialect of Cantonese as their primary language.

I think that's overstating the prevalence of Cantonese a bit. Here in the USA, it's completely pervasive due to immigration from Hong Kong, Vietnam and pre-communist China, but globally it's a distant second to Mandarin. A lot of popular culture also emanates from Hong Kong so that's why Cantonese is so popular in Asia as well.

Mandarin is tough to get truly fluent in as the grammatical structures are different and as a tonal language, not good for people who can't hear the inflections. Spanish is easier to pronounce and the grammar is more similar to English.

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Any language. The idea that this is a language the kid may have to speak later because you live in LA and "need" Spanish, or French because you live in Canada, is not the point. It is about keeping those parts of the brain that deal in language acquisition and retention active.

Think of it like having the kid picking up an instrument. The point is not if he/she will some time be a concert pianist or be playing Flute for the Orchestra, but to keep the mind and body active and honed for those like skills.

A language is about keeping those areas of the brain sharp for retention of new vocabulary. It is about keeping the mind open to learning new languages. The more languages you can speak, the easier it is to learn a new one. In the age of global business, you never know if you will need to speak Mandarin, Japanese, or Hindi for that matter. So being versed in a particular language pales in comparison to being comfortable with language retention and education.

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When all is said and done though, whichever one holds interest.

He says he wants to learn italian. Which isn't a bad choice for me either if I try to learn it with him.

Then I would say Italian it is, but that is more of a parenting style question. Try and force something else on him, and I would think he'll lose interest.

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