I'm talking about this. And this. Geez, Microsoft, it was rather embarassing when you introduced the Scene It controller and tried to sell it as innovation when it just a plain rip-off of the Buzz! controller - but now it's getting somewhat lame.
Rare has had trouble hitting its deadlines, according to the source.
Well, if it's fake, they've at least done their research
This reminds me of a hilarious thread I saw a while back on a Wii community, when MS launched the 360 Arcade pack. Someone was screaming about how Microsoft was ripping off Nintendo, but apart from the Arcade being an almost Wii-priced 360, we couldn't work out what the hell he was on about. That's when he started talking about Microsoft's new controller, and how it was a total Wii rip-off. He even linked to a photo of it!
The photo, however, was of a 360, front-on, standing upright. I guess if you'd never seen a 360 before it might look a little like a remote control...
It's a sketch my six year old could make from an unverified "source". About the level of journalism one expects from MTV.
I don't really give two sh*ts one way or another. My Wii is continually resembling some kind of glowing paperweight while everyone in the house fights over the 360. The Wii is obsessed with the novelty of itself even while having Super Smash Bros. Brawl to prove you don't have to have the mother$%&!ing waggle to have a good game. Might as well just port the Wiimote over to the 360 and get the whole thing over with.
This is really the wrong time to be ripping off motion control. Motion control has so far been the biggest failed experiment in gaming that I've seen. I know it hasn't failed at making gazillions of dollars, but at actually providing innovative ways to use it to control games it has spectacularly disappointed. It's just not precise enough to actually transfer motions meaningfully into a game.
I'm like a flashing lightning and a rolling thunder, I'm like a stepping razor
Actually didn't MS announce they were making a motion controller before the Wii came out? Probably after the success of the Wii they decided to wait a bit before releasing.
The Wii may have its Wii mote, but that is old gen. This is obviously a Nextgen HD controller. Totally different
Maybe the 360 is hoping to get more hi-def ports of casual, family and unique titles that are releasing exclusively to the Wii, so they can actually a family software lineup to backup their claims.
Actually didn't MS announce they were making a motion controller before the Wii came out? Probably after the success of the Wii they decided to wait a bit before releasing.
I believe the announcement came about the same time Sony decided to rip-off...err...create their own motion controller and thus was born the sixaxis and more excuses about the lack of rumble. (Wiimote had motion control, rumble, and a speaker you twits!)
I don't know if it was MS just going "us to!" while secretly turning to hardware development and asking for a prototype by next monday morning or they had legitimately started research in fear of Nintendo.
You can't blame them for moving forward. The Wii represents the future. Maybe badly realized. Scratch that, Wii Sports proves that it can be done well, I just can't figure out why a year later no one else has figured out to do it just as well as Wii Sports. Seriously, never has a game said "reference implementation" to me so strongly, and yet even Mario and Sonic at the Olympic Games controls like a wheelbarrow of feces compared to Wii Sports.
Anyway, it would actually be STOOPID for MS not to come up with some kind of motion controller. That's just business. When automobiles started coming with air conditioning were there people going "Man, those other companies are totally ripping off that concept!". Probably, but I think I'd rather have the fat sacks of cash by following the market than listen to a bunch of ninnies complaining about rip offs and lack of innovation. Business stagnation is just as bad if not worse.
Not to defend Microsoft at all, since their idea of innovation is generally to rip-off, buyout, or sue their competition. However, this is something they cannot overlook and I'm surprised that they still haven't released some kind of alternative to the Wiimote, Sixaxis, Dual Shock 3 trifecta.
I'm too lazy to look it up, but wasn't there some rumor a few months back about a Rare-developed XBLA sports game in development, and it was originally going to be launched in conjunction with Microsoft's version of the Wii controller?
We also learned that Rare experimented with a wand type input device for gesture recognition (think Wii controls), but seems to have scrapped the idea for The Fast & The Furriest due to technology problems. It's possible we'll be seeing a special gesture controller, but not from Rare.
This news is from January 4 of this year, so rumors of a controller like this have been bouncing around for a while.
baggachipz: Who cares about Japan, let them have their silly pointless dog games and countless re-hashes of anime-based dragon princess super lucky crapitty crap.
Anyway, it would actually be STOOPID for MS not to come up with some kind of motion controller. That's just business. When automobiles started coming with air conditioning were there people going "Man, those other companies are totally ripping off that concept!". Probably, but I think I'd rather have the fat sacks of cash by following the market than listen to a bunch of ninnies complaining about rip offs and lack of innovation. Business stagnation is just as bad if not worse.
Not to defend Microsoft at all, since their idea of innovation is generally to rip-off, buyout, or sue their competition. However, this is something they cannot overlook and I'm surprised that they still haven't released some kind of alternative to the Wiimote, Sixaxis, Dual Shock 3 trifecta.
I agree and to tilt a little in MS favor would like to point out that the stuff they "rip-off, buyout" and redesign tends to actually be better than the original.
You can't blame them for moving forward. The Wii represents the future. Maybe badly realized. Scratch that, Wii Sports proves that it can be done well, I just can't figure out why a year later no one else has figured out to do it just as well as Wii Sports. Seriously, never has a game said "reference implementation" to me so strongly, and yet even Mario and Sonic at the Olympic Games controls like a wheelbarrow of feces compared to Wii Sports.
The reason other games have trouble matching the Wii Sports control is that Wii sports only feels intuitive because it's not actually doing that much. The Tennis game is fun to play because it has nothing to do with the motions you're making - all you have to do is get the timing right and flick the controller slightly in any direction. If the game tried to give you any control at all over how to swing the racket, it would run into the hardware limitations and it would become frustrating as you tried to figure out how to make the game understand what you want it to do.
In the end, the best games on the Wii use the motion control just as a cool little gimmick, while the worst ones try to actually make it live up to the potential it seemed like it had originally.
I'm like a flashing lightning and a rolling thunder, I'm like a stepping razor
This is good, I want waggle for my M-Rated games in HD. I don't even care if Microsoft calls it the Microwii and gets sued several times to hell in the process. I want a ton of Arcade games specifically designed for the Microwii, again, in HD, and on Live. All hail Microwii!
In the end, the best games on the Wii use the motion control just as a cool little gimmick, while the worst ones try to actually make it live up to the potential it seemed like it had originally.
Concur. I haven't played Mario Galaxy, but I played a good deal of the Wii library when I had one. And there just wasn't that much to it, IMHO. Most of the good games were played with the classic controller or the Gamecube controller. The Wii may "win" hardware sales this generation. In fact, handhelds aside, it probably will go Wii, PS3, 360 in the end. But I too think the Wii is a gimmick. Microsoft would be smart to ignore it and focus on developing or luring developers for some artsy/offbeat games for the 360 (think Katamari, Shadow of the Colossus, Okami) and working on developing some family games that aren't complete rip-offs of other games.
We need more non shooters, sports games, racers. Come to think of it, why didn't Okami come to the 360? Microsoft should be shelling out money right about now to buy studios (the clover guys would have been great) or pay the money to convince companies like Campcom that HD Okami could find a home on the 360 just like HD Bully did.
So I guess motion sensing = family friendly now? The only reason non-gamers don't game is that they don't get to flail around like douchebags?
Using a Wiimote in Wii Sports is a lot less intimidating than picking up a dual analog controller with 10 buttons.
So it is the same Story of games and Nintendo of the last 25 years. Boy gets Nindendo, Boy grows up, boy gets PC or Playstation, or Dreamcast, etc. More or less the same story etched on the Gen X, Y, and G gamers?
I have to wonder how long it will be where these kids playing Wiis now, will want more. Your Pokemon player of today is tomorrow's Final Fantasy and Elder Scrolls player. It did not take me long after the NES to realize that MechWarrior, Leisure Suit Larry, and Mortal Kombat were much more appealing than Mario and Link.
It is just like in Galactica "This has all happened before, and it will happen again."
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(And here comes Doubtingthomas396, thoroughly beating a dead horse...)
How could Microsoft rip off the Wii? Seems to me that's kind of like saying a game developer ripped off Duke Nukem Forever, or those Google enabled toilets that were an April fool's joke a few years back.
I gave up looking for a Wii last year after spending six months trying to locate one for sale from a reputable merchant. I concluded that they don't exist, but the marketing campaign is actually a brilliant collaboration by Nintendo and Ebay. Nintendo spends money on a prototype that may or may not work as advertised, then claims there's a shortage, which sends people to eBay to spend +3X MSRP on a box that, if they're lucky, has a brick in it. eBay and Nintendo then split the proceeds.
(It's just as well. When I was looking for a Wii I was thinking "well, the library's not great now, but I'm sure it will take off with all the units they're selling." Hah![/rueful_laugh] I was such a sap.)
The only way M$ could be ripping off Nintendon't is if they "released" this motion controller, but didn't actually ship any.
We need more non shooters, sports games, racers. Come to think of it, why didn't Okami come to the 360? Microsoft should be shelling out money right about now to buy studios (the clover guys would have been great) or pay the money to convince companies like Campcom that HD Okami could find a home on the 360 just like HD Bully did.
Okami wouldn't have sold on the 360. Just because it will look nice on the platform doesn't mean it will sell. I mean, you had a Wii and if Okami released on the Wii, would you play it if you still had your Wii?
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We need more non shooters, sports games, racers. Come to think of it, why didn't Okami come to the 360? Microsoft should be shelling out money right about now to buy studios (the clover guys would have been great) or pay the money to convince companies like Campcom that HD Okami could find a home on the 360 just like HD Bully did.
Okami wouldn't have sold on the 360. Just because it will look nice on the platform doesn't mean it will sell. I mean, you had a Wii and if Okami released on the Wii, would you play it if you still had your Wii?
Depends... survey says it's not that great on the Wii because, ironically, the painting controls are poor.
We need more non shooters, sports games, racers. Come to think of it, why didn't Okami come to the 360? Microsoft should be shelling out money right about now to buy studios (the clover guys would have been great) or pay the money to convince companies like Campcom that HD Okami could find a home on the 360 just like HD Bully did.
Okami wouldn't have sold on the 360. Just because it will look nice on the platform doesn't mean it will sell. I mean, you had a Wii and if Okami released on the Wii, would you play it if you still had your Wii?
Depends... survey says it's not that great on the Wii because, ironically, the painting controls are poor.
It has a metacritic of 89, based on 4 reviews but has received good reviews from EGM. The worst review right now is Nintendo Power. i do not see the game appealing to the base of the 360. it would find an audience with the 360 but smaller than i think it will receive on the wii.
For instance, there are 108 beads in a Catholic rosary and there are 108 stitches in a baseball. When I learned that, I gave Jesus a chance. ~Ron Shelton, Bull Durham, 1988
Is anyone else surprised that there's someone who would rather play Leisure Suit Larry than, say, Super Mario 3? Or Mortal Kombat 4 rather than Ocarina of Time? Sure, I could understand preferring something like Mass Effect over Paper Mario, but Mortal Kombat? That's like, in the era of Mario Vs. Sonic, hitching your wagon with Bubsy.
I wasn't going to say anything, but yeah it's weird, IMHO. When I became a "grown-up" gamer I didn't stop liking Mario in favor of Dead Or Alive Extreme Volleyball. I just got tired of Mario and began to prefer playing Mass Effect or Rock Band.
Is anyone else surprised that there's someone who would rather play Leisure Suit Larry than, say, Super Mario 3? Or Mortal Kombat 4 rather than Ocarina of Time? Sure, I could understand preferring something like Mass Effect over Paper Mario, but Mortal Kombat? That's like, in the era of Mario Vs. Sonic, hitching your wagon with Bubsy.
Meh, people like what they like. Amazingly, your average game console owner often walks into Wal Mart with some money burning a hole in their pocket and just picks a cool-looking game off the shelf. Sometimes that decision is based on brand recognition (Mortal Kombat) and sometimes it is based on other factors, such as boobies.
The sort of hardcore enthusiast who frequents gaming message boards and actually researches gaming purchases is probably still a minority in the console-owning crowd.
baggachipz: Who cares about Japan, let them have their silly pointless dog games and countless re-hashes of anime-based dragon princess super lucky crapitty crap.
We need more non shooters, sports games, racers. Come to think of it, why didn't Okami come to the 360? Microsoft should be shelling out money right about now to buy studios (the clover guys would have been great) or pay the money to convince companies like Campcom that HD Okami could find a home on the 360 just like HD Bully did.
Okami wouldn't have sold on the 360. Just because it will look nice on the platform doesn't mean it will sell. I mean, you had a Wii and if Okami released on the Wii, would you play it if you still had your Wii?
Depends... survey says it's not that great on the Wii because, ironically, the painting controls are poor.
Take in the IGN preview "Really, though, the process of using the Celestial Brush with the Wii remote is like night and day compared to the PS2 controller -- it's just so much more intuitive, faster, and better. ...nWe went back and played the PS2 iteration of the game in preparation for this preview, and using the Celestial Brush with an analog stick just feels clumsy when compared to the accuracy and speed gained with the Wii remote"
Maybe painting is not that bad. I'm waiting for more review.
Greaaat... and... what exactly would one do with it?
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Spore
I can think of several simulators that might be a hit.
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Rare has had trouble hitting its deadlines, according to the source.
Well, if it's fake, they've at least done their research
This reminds me of a hilarious thread I saw a while back on a Wii community, when MS launched the 360 Arcade pack. Someone was screaming about how Microsoft was ripping off Nintendo, but apart from the Arcade being an almost Wii-priced 360, we couldn't work out what the hell he was on about. That's when he started talking about Microsoft's new controller, and how it was a total Wii rip-off. He even linked to a photo of it!
The photo, however, was of a 360, front-on, standing upright. I guess if you'd never seen a 360 before it might look a little like a remote control...
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I... I couldn't help it. The capitalization and spelling on a few comments looked alright, but that apparently doesn't imply the ability to reason.
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It's a sketch my six year old could make from an unverified "source". About the level of journalism one expects from MTV.
I don't really give two sh*ts one way or another. My Wii is continually resembling some kind of glowing paperweight while everyone in the house fights over the 360. The Wii is obsessed with the novelty of itself even while having Super Smash Bros. Brawl to prove you don't have to have the mother$%&!ing waggle to have a good game. Might as well just port the Wiimote over to the 360 and get the whole thing over with.
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This is really the wrong time to be ripping off motion control. Motion control has so far been the biggest failed experiment in gaming that I've seen. I know it hasn't failed at making gazillions of dollars, but at actually providing innovative ways to use it to control games it has spectacularly disappointed. It's just not precise enough to actually transfer motions meaningfully into a game.
I'm like a flashing lightning and a rolling thunder, I'm like a stepping razor
Actually didn't MS announce they were making a motion controller before the Wii came out? Probably after the success of the Wii they decided to wait a bit before releasing.
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The Wii may have its Wii mote, but that is old gen. This is obviously a Nextgen HD controller. Totally different
Maybe the 360 is hoping to get more hi-def ports of casual, family and unique titles that are releasing exclusively to the Wii, so they can actually a family software lineup to backup their claims.
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I believe the announcement came about the same time Sony decided to rip-off...err...create their own motion controller and thus was born the sixaxis and more excuses about the lack of rumble. (Wiimote had motion control, rumble, and a speaker you twits!)
I don't know if it was MS just going "us to!" while secretly turning to hardware development and asking for a prototype by next monday morning or they had legitimately started research in fear of Nintendo.
You can't blame them for moving forward. The Wii represents the future. Maybe badly realized. Scratch that, Wii Sports proves that it can be done well, I just can't figure out why a year later no one else has figured out to do it just as well as Wii Sports. Seriously, never has a game said "reference implementation" to me so strongly, and yet even Mario and Sonic at the Olympic Games controls like a wheelbarrow of feces compared to Wii Sports.
Anyway, it would actually be STOOPID for MS not to come up with some kind of motion controller. That's just business. When automobiles started coming with air conditioning were there people going "Man, those other companies are totally ripping off that concept!". Probably, but I think I'd rather have the fat sacks of cash by following the market than listen to a bunch of ninnies complaining about rip offs and lack of innovation. Business stagnation is just as bad if not worse.
Not to defend Microsoft at all, since their idea of innovation is generally to rip-off, buyout, or sue their competition. However, this is something they cannot overlook and I'm surprised that they still haven't released some kind of alternative to the Wiimote, Sixaxis, Dual Shock 3 trifecta.
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So I guess motion sensing = family friendly now? The only reason non-gamers don't game is that they don't get to flail around like douchebags?
NOTE: This is not a doodle bug.
Spore
I'm too lazy to look it up, but wasn't there some rumor a few months back about a Rare-developed XBLA sports game in development, and it was originally going to be launched in conjunction with Microsoft's version of the Wii controller?
Okay, never mind, I looked it up.
This news is from January 4 of this year, so rumors of a controller like this have been bouncing around for a while.
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baggachipz: Who cares about Japan, let them have their silly pointless dog games and countless re-hashes of anime-based dragon princess super lucky crapitty crap.
Using a Wiimote in Wii Sports is a lot less intimidating than picking up a dual analog controller with 10 buttons.
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But... what if the dual analog controller looks like a batarang? Everyone likes Batman! I miss that design...
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Spore
I agree and to tilt a little in MS favor would like to point out that the stuff they "rip-off, buyout" and redesign tends to actually be better than the original.
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The reason other games have trouble matching the Wii Sports control is that Wii sports only feels intuitive because it's not actually doing that much. The Tennis game is fun to play because it has nothing to do with the motions you're making - all you have to do is get the timing right and flick the controller slightly in any direction. If the game tried to give you any control at all over how to swing the racket, it would run into the hardware limitations and it would become frustrating as you tried to figure out how to make the game understand what you want it to do.
In the end, the best games on the Wii use the motion control just as a cool little gimmick, while the worst ones try to actually make it live up to the potential it seemed like it had originally.
I'm like a flashing lightning and a rolling thunder, I'm like a stepping razor
This is good, I want waggle for my M-Rated games in HD. I don't even care if Microsoft calls it the Microwii and gets sued several times to hell in the process. I want a ton of Arcade games specifically designed for the Microwii, again, in HD, and on Live. All hail Microwii!
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Concur. I haven't played Mario Galaxy, but I played a good deal of the Wii library when I had one. And there just wasn't that much to it, IMHO. Most of the good games were played with the classic controller or the Gamecube controller. The Wii may "win" hardware sales this generation. In fact, handhelds aside, it probably will go Wii, PS3, 360 in the end. But I too think the Wii is a gimmick. Microsoft would be smart to ignore it and focus on developing or luring developers for some artsy/offbeat games for the 360 (think Katamari, Shadow of the Colossus, Okami) and working on developing some family games that aren't complete rip-offs of other games.
We need more non shooters, sports games, racers. Come to think of it, why didn't Okami come to the 360? Microsoft should be shelling out money right about now to buy studios (the clover guys would have been great) or pay the money to convince companies like Campcom that HD Okami could find a home on the 360 just like HD Bully did.
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So it is the same Story of games and Nintendo of the last 25 years. Boy gets Nindendo, Boy grows up, boy gets PC or Playstation, or Dreamcast, etc. More or less the same story etched on the Gen X, Y, and G gamers?
I have to wonder how long it will be where these kids playing Wiis now, will want more. Your Pokemon player of today is tomorrow's Final Fantasy and Elder Scrolls player. It did not take me long after the NES to realize that MechWarrior, Leisure Suit Larry, and Mortal Kombat were much more appealing than Mario and Link.
It is just like in Galactica "This has all happened before, and it will happen again."
Or like in Mass Effect.
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(And here comes Doubtingthomas396, thoroughly beating a dead horse...)
How could Microsoft rip off the Wii? Seems to me that's kind of like saying a game developer ripped off Duke Nukem Forever, or those Google enabled toilets that were an April fool's joke a few years back.
I gave up looking for a Wii last year after spending six months trying to locate one for sale from a reputable merchant. I concluded that they don't exist, but the marketing campaign is actually a brilliant collaboration by Nintendo and Ebay. Nintendo spends money on a prototype that may or may not work as advertised, then claims there's a shortage, which sends people to eBay to spend +3X MSRP on a box that, if they're lucky, has a brick in it. eBay and Nintendo then split the proceeds.
(It's just as well. When I was looking for a Wii I was thinking "well, the library's not great now, but I'm sure it will take off with all the units they're selling." Hah![/rueful_laugh] I was such a sap.)
The only way M$ could be ripping off Nintendon't is if they "released" this motion controller, but didn't actually ship any.
I don't seem too bitter, do I?
By the way, I'm kidding. Sorta.
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Or like in any number of religions, some of which even pre-date video games AND TV.
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Spore
Okami wouldn't have sold on the 360. Just because it will look nice on the platform doesn't mean it will sell. I mean, you had a Wii and if Okami released on the Wii, would you play it if you still had your Wii?
For instance, there are 108 beads in a Catholic rosary and there are 108 stitches in a baseball. When I learned that, I gave Jesus a chance. ~Ron Shelton, Bull Durham, 1988
Depends... survey says it's not that great on the Wii because, ironically, the painting controls are poor.
NOTE: This is not a doodle bug.
Spore
It has a metacritic of 89, based on 4 reviews but has received good reviews from EGM. The worst review right now is Nintendo Power. i do not see the game appealing to the base of the 360. it would find an audience with the 360 but smaller than i think it will receive on the wii.
For instance, there are 108 beads in a Catholic rosary and there are 108 stitches in a baseball. When I learned that, I gave Jesus a chance. ~Ron Shelton, Bull Durham, 1988
Is anyone else surprised that there's someone who would rather play Leisure Suit Larry than, say, Super Mario 3? Or Mortal Kombat 4 rather than Ocarina of Time? Sure, I could understand preferring something like Mass Effect over Paper Mario, but Mortal Kombat? That's like, in the era of Mario Vs. Sonic, hitching your wagon with Bubsy.
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I wasn't going to say anything, but yeah it's weird, IMHO. When I became a "grown-up" gamer I didn't stop liking Mario in favor of Dead Or Alive Extreme Volleyball. I just got tired of Mario and began to prefer playing Mass Effect or Rock Band.
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Meh, people like what they like. Amazingly, your average game console owner often walks into Wal Mart with some money burning a hole in their pocket and just picks a cool-looking game off the shelf. Sometimes that decision is based on brand recognition (Mortal Kombat) and sometimes it is based on other factors, such as boobies.
The sort of hardcore enthusiast who frequents gaming message boards and actually researches gaming purchases is probably still a minority in the console-owning crowd.
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baggachipz: Who cares about Japan, let them have their silly pointless dog games and countless re-hashes of anime-based dragon princess super lucky crapitty crap.
Take in the IGN preview "Really, though, the process of using the Celestial Brush with the Wii remote is like night and day compared to the PS2 controller -- it's just so much more intuitive, faster, and better. ...nWe went back and played the PS2 iteration of the game in preparation for this preview, and using the Celestial Brush with an analog stick just feels clumsy when compared to the accuracy and speed gained with the Wii remote"
Maybe painting is not that bad. I'm waiting for more review.