Buying a new car, or maybe leasing? Maybe a used car?

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Location: Edmonton, Canada

I don't suppose we have any Car lovers on the forums do we? Some Gamers who are mechanics during the day maybe?

The reason I ask is because I am just about finished my degree, and I have a full time job lined up for when I finish. Compared to being a student I am going to be loaded and all that money is going to burn awfully hot in my pocket.

I bought a craptastic neon to get me to school and to work when I had work terms (I am in Co-op) and I was hoping to upgrade.

So I was thinking Honda Civic because Consumer Reports rates them as highly reliable and I am not really a sports car person. Fuel economy and reliability are my main priorities.

So does anyone have advice? Does anyone have a car buying experience or story that containce useful advice or even just a laugh?

Thanks

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Not car advice, but with such a big change imminent in your life it might be prudent to put off buying the new ride for just a little bit. Get your legs under you and see what your budget is like in reality rather than on paper. Worst that could happen is you put the money aside anyway and have a bigger down payment.
Other than that, I've been driving a VW Passat for almost 5 years now and I'm happy with it.

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Impreza WRX STi!

Dr_Awkward wrote:
Not car advice, but with such a big change imminent in your life it might be prudent to put off buying the new ride for just a little bit.

I would recommend the same thing.

Kier wrote:
I am not really a sports car person. Fuel economy and reliability are my main priorities.

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I would say because your changing your life massively I would hold onto the neon and wait about 3 months to see how everything settles down. As stated above you can get a bigger down payment or have enough cash to buy into a better class of vechile, but you need to watch out for higher insurance and gas too

I would also recommend shopping around and picking up a lightly used last year model you could save like 5-8 grand right off the top and get exactly the same car.


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I always buy used for the depreciation.

I also recommend waiting. Throw the money in a high yield CD till you can figure things out.

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First, wait until you know what your income/outgo is. Know what you can afford to pay.

Second, don't go payment shopping. The car business is full of sleazy deals and loans. It is good that you're already thinking affordable. Try not to get suckered into a 120 month lease on a low end Mercedes.

Hit a site like Edmunds, and get the invoice pricing. I once saw my mother purchase a car buy adding up the invoice price, taking off the dealer holdback, and telling the salesman, "I'm going to let you make $400 on this car." We drove off with the car.

As for cars, we're a Subaru family now. Love the Sub's, but admit that they're getting pricier. That said, my Hyundai Accent is about to turn 100K, and I've treated it like garbage. Paid all of about $8500 for it brand new.

Hard to go wrong with a Civic or Corolla. I know plenty of folks who buy Civics with 100K+ miles on the cheap, then proceed to add another 200K+.

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Yeah, I'd go civic/corolla/elantra if those are you're goals..

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I have little useful advice. I'm still driving my first car: a 92 Jeep Cherokee. While I drive it hard and it's still going at 230K+ miles, the mileage that an SUV gets is just not sensible with today's gas prices.

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Civic is good, used or new. The current model is a nice size. The downside to buying a used civic is that it tends to have very high resale value, and so you'll pay a premium for it used and then probably have to put a little money into it soon after you buy it. If you plan on keeping the car to 100k miles and beyond, I'd just buy new.

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Don't listen to those words of caution! Just leaving college, you're what, 22? 23? If the job offer is signed, sealed, and delivered, then get the car you want. You'll likely be keeping it for the better part of a decade, and you probably won't have sudden unexpected money sinks for the next few years.

I found at that age that rent, utilities, and car payments took out a predictable chunk every month, I saved what I decided to save ahead of time, and I found some way to blow the rest. My car payment being 200 bucks cheaper would have just encouraged me to spend another 200 at clubs/eating out/taking out young ladies of low moral fiber. And that would have given me a lot less enjoyment than my ride.

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Mr Crinkle wrote:
I found at that age that rent, utilities, and car payments took out a predictable chunk every month, I saved what I decided to save ahead of time, and I found some way to blow the rest. My car payment being 200 bucks cheaper would have just encouraged me to spend another 200 at clubs/eating out/taking out young ladies of low moral fiber. And that would have given me a lot less enjoyment than my ride.

This is my third year with my 05 Subaru Legacy 2.5 GT limited and I just decided against trading it in... I'm going to revisit the idea in 6 months... but it's a pretty hard sell. I love my car.

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I really like my Hyundai Elantra. Bought it new 3 years ago (hard to go wrong with 0% financing), and it's treated me beautifully -- even though I haven't been as assiduous with the upkeep as I would have liked. The quality numbers on the Hyundais at this point are very good, and the prices are also very good.

With that in mind, the Accent is now sub-$10k, if you want to look that way.

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If you're thinking of getting a new Honda or Subaru, I would suggest getting a 2 year old BMW 325 with about 30k on it. You can usually get more car for around the same price.

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At this point in your life, drive the car you have into the ground, then buy a used car. If at all possible, pay for it up front. You don't want another monthly bill to deal with.

There is NO reason to buy a new car. There are rich assholes out there who buy a new car every year and sell the "old" one even if it only has a few thousand miles on it (no offense to any Goodjer assholes we might have here). It'll cost thousands of dollars less than a new car but it'll only have a little more wear on it and you'll be able to get impressions from other people who have owned the car for a while already.

All in all, a car is necessary unless you live in a city, but is generally a very bad investment. Treat it as such.

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LobsterMobster wrote:
There is NO reason to buy a new car. There are rich assholes out there who buy a new car every year and sell the "old" one even if it only has a few thousand miles on it (no offense to any Goodjer assholes we might have here). It'll cost thousands of dollars less than a new car but it'll only have a little more wear on it and you'll be able to get impressions from other people who have owned the car for a while already.

This is a popular view, but if you plan on keeping the car for several years, there's an argument to be made for buying new. It's amazing how fast someone can do lots of long-term damage to a new car. My buddy liked my WRX so much that he went and bought one a couple years after I got mine. He really beat the hell out of the engine, tranny, and suspension in an amazingly short time, and wound up selling it privately after just over a year, to some poor soul who didn't see any cosmetic damage and figured everything was dandy.

People drive hard without warming up the engine, blow past speed bumps, run over curbs, grind gears, and park the car just after heating the brakes up. Warranties don't last forever, and taking your car in for repairs is a real inconvenience. You might wind up paying for that used car on the backend, when the useful life of your car is shortened.

Obviously this applies more to "enthusiast" cars, and folks who know how to properly care for their ride.

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LobsterMobster wrote:

There is NO reason to buy a new car. There are rich assholes out there who buy a new car every year and sell the "old" one even if it only has a few thousand miles on it (no offense to any Goodjer assholes we might have here). It'll cost thousands of dollars less than a new car but it'll only have a little more wear on it and you'll be able to get impressions from other people who have owned the car for a while already.

Actually there is. If people did not purchase new cars there would not be used cars for other people to buy.

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Few random thoughts...

Test drive everything in your price range if buying new. Twice I've done all the research in advance and known which vehicle I was going to buy, only to go test driving and find out just how wrong I was.

Budget & timing - I'd agree with others here that it's probably a good idea to wait and see how post-school work life pans out. Live below your means. Don't be one of the tards with a huge car loan, house payment, student loan and worst of all credit card debt.

Since you're in Canada, good places like Edmunds won't help much with pricing, but do offer useful info on reliability, impressions, etc. If you decide to buy new, use the strong Canadian dollar to your advantage and give the salesdrone hell when they try to sell you a $20K USD car for $30K CAD. With a weakening car market, you never know how far they might go!

I think Civics have a very high theft rate, you may find the combination of financing + insurance doesn't work out as well as something else. Never agree to purchase until you know what your insurance is going to cost.

When it comes to used cars, if the dealer offers to arrange financing, it's almost certainly NOT going to be the best deal for you. It will almost certainly be the best deal for them (highest loan commission).

Paint protection packages and so forth are another fantastic bit of profit for the dealership - think extended warranty at Best Buy. Unnecessary and usually a ridiculous price.

Life gets difficult when shopping with leasing in mind. Residuals vary quite a bit as well as the finance rates. You might look at two vehicles worth a similar amount and the monthly lease rate of one is double the other. Get a quote based on zero down to keep things a bit simpler - after that, basically every $1K you put down will reduce your monthly payment by ~$30 before taxes. When it comes to car options, every $1K you add will basically increase your monthly by $30, they generally do NOT increase the residual amount even when you add $5K worth of goodies. This is why the special lease rate advertisements are almost always for the bare bones version of a car. That $399/month, $5K due on delivery BMW 3-series that seems like an OK deal is just the basic model with no options at all.

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Thanks for all the advice everyone, every little bit helps me with getting a good perspective.

I think I might hold off a little while as that seems to be the prevailing advice but things are going to be pretty stable for me.

A little background, I am a computer engineering student who did the co-op program. Co-op basically means I have work terms during school, kind of like an internship.

The company that has hired me after grad is the same one I worked at for my internship so I know what to expect. Edmonton is a bit of a pricey city to live in now because of the oil boom so I know my rent will be kind of high but other then that I will have minimal expenses.

I already know my wage and I am not too worried(maybe incorrectly) about being able to make payments once I buy it. I am mostly worried about making the right choice.

So as far as financing goes it sounds like the bank is a good idea?