Recommend me a good starter guitar

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My 9 year old daughter's cheapo best buy electric guitar broke and she takes lessons. Anyone know what would be a good replacement guitar for her? It needs to be light and under $500. I know nothing about guitars.

Any tips for what to look for in a guitar?

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Is she on a full size guitar?

When I was buying mine, the first thing I established was which fret scale (distance between frets on the neck) I liked. Fender and knockoffs have a larger fret scale than Gibson and knockoffs. Due to an accident, my index finger on my left hand is shorter than it ought to be, and the smaller "reach" of a Gibson led me to buy an Epiphone as it was more comfortable.

Since you want light, you'll likely want to stay away from the solid bodies, although I would suggest trying them. Maybe an Epiphone archtop (semi-hollow body)? Like the Dot?

Mine is a Wildkat (the Dot with a Bigsby tremolo), which is lighter than a solid body, can be practiced on without plugging in, and looks cool.

A lot of it is style though. Let her hold it in her hands and try it. It sounds fruity, but you "just know' when you have the one you want.

If you have local guitar shop around, take her in and have her try the Epiphone and Squire models. The folks are usually great about helping out new players. If not a local place (watch prices), look for a Guitar Center. They are decent around here.

If you have to shop online, Musician's Friend and Music123 are both decent shops. I do highly recommend the local music shop if you have one though.

Hope that helps.

EDIT: Oh, and if she's a girly girl, there's always Daisy Rock Guitars, who's first guitar was actually shaped like a daisy, and got solid reviews. They've come a long way since then.

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I guess you're looking for an electric guitar, but if acoustic is also an option I bought one of these a couple of years ago. It was cheap (around $120 including a guitar case) at a music store in Texas and I really love it. It's light and sturdy and sounds pretty good. I wish I had that when I first learned.

I have a 9 years old cousin who likes to pretend she's playing it and although it looks a bit big for her I guess she could reach well the frets if she were indeed playing.

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Is she on a full size guitar?

At 9, a full-size guitar is likely to be painfully uncomfortable. Typically you'd be looking for a "3/4 scale" guitar at that age. If you're looking for a good quality guitar and you're looking at an acoustic, the biggest thing is typically to make sure the top's wood is solid. You don't want a laminated top. Laminated sides and back are fine, particularly for a "starter" guitar. If she's not sure she's going to stick with it, getting an inexpensive model might be OK (even a lam. top). A better quality guitar is easier to trade-in if/when the time comes to upgrade.

The other advice about the scale size is useful. If the scale is too long, it's going to be hard to play, which is going to be discouraging. Trying out some guitars at a local music shop -- hopefully with a helpful staff -- is probably the best advice.

Typically the price on the sticker is *not* what you should pay at a guitar shop. Depending on the starting price, expect to spend 10-20% less.

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I think the Dot/335 may be too big for a 9-yr old. I find them to be pretty bulky myself.
While solid bodies may be a tad heavier, if she's not planning on strapping it on and jumping around it may not a big deal.

From personal experience I find shorter scale guitars easier to play (eg. les pauls) than longer scale (strats) since there's less string tension, which might be desirable for younger hands. I do not recommend you go out and get a $3000 Les Paul though.

The Les Paul Junior, however, is a great guitar. The Gibson version is over your budget, but I think Epiphone still makes them. It comes with either 1 or 2 P-90 pickups and is lighter and smaller than the Les Paul. It's also the ultimate punk rock guitar (to me), especially if you get it in the TV Yellow finish.

The SG is also a great guitar, again, Gibson too expensive, Epiphone much more affordable. Good enough for Black Sabbath and AC/DC, it's good enough for her.

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I agree with the advice on a 3/4 scale instrument. I once taught guitar lessons to a girl about that age and she had an absolutely horrendous time trying to contort her hand and wrist to play basic chord shapes on the full scale Squire her parents had given her.

Both Daisy Rock and Fender make short scale versions of their guitars for $200-300, depending on the model. They're both good brands. Fender's name speaks for itself, and Daisy Rock started out as a subsidiary of Schecter, so the workmanship and materials are of comparable (good) quality.

My 4-year-old daughter has had her eye on a pink Hello Kitty Strat for a long time. Someday she will take a pick in her little hand and raise high the Holy Goblet of Rock.

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Also I forgot to mention, it is worth the $30-50 the store may charge you to get the guitar set-up. I never used to believe in it ("pffft, I can tune the guitar myself") but they do much more than just slap on some new strings and tune it. Most guitars straight off the rack are in pretty poor playing condition, due to the temperature/humidity change in the travel, abuse in the store, etc. A good tech can offset those problems by resetting the action (ht of the strings from the frets), fix the intonation, round off/polish the frets, etc.

It made a world of difference on a cheapo Les Paul knockoff I had given up on, it is now my main guitar.

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If she's already handling full-size guitars, then go for a Squier. They're basically China-made Fenders, and pretty good, too. I had a Squier for a few years... And then I determined that electric guitar just wasn't for me. Wasn't any fault of the instrument I bought, though.

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I agree with NSmike, the squier is a decent guitar. If you are looking for something thats cheap but sounds good get her a Gibson Les Paul. This one seems pretty nice http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Gibson-Les-Paul-Melody-Maker-Dual-Pickup-Electric-Guitar?sku=512641X I think this is the one my friend just got, it sounds great.

I prefer Fender (Been playing for 3 to 4 years, I use an '82 Fender Stratocaster Elite) but Gibson makes some pretty good sounding starter guitars. It really boils down to how much you are willing to spend, the more you spend, the longer the guitar will last (well, most likely). If you think she is going to keep playing, buy her something nice. Then you wont have to worry about buying her another guitar later down the road.

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FridgeGremlin! wrote:
I agree with NSmike, the squier is a decent guitar. If you are looking for something thats cheap but sounds good get her a Gibson Les Paul. This one seems pretty nice http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Gibson-Les-Paul-Melody-Maker-Dual-Pickup-Electric-Guitar?sku=512641X I think this is the one my friend just got, it sounds great.

That's a Gibson, but it's not a Les Paul. Les Paul studios are running around around $1K now. I got mine for $600 about 13 years ago.

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FridgeGremlin! wrote:
I agree with NSmike, the squier is a decent guitar. If you are looking for something thats cheap but sounds good get her a Gibson Les Paul. This one seems pretty nice http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Gibson-Les-Paul-Melody-Maker-Dual-Pickup-Electric-Guitar?sku=512641X I think this is the one my friend just got, it sounds great.

I prefer Fender (Been playing for 3 to 4 years, I use an '82 Fender Stratocaster Elite) but Gibson makes some pretty good sounding starter guitars. It really boils down to how much you are willing to spend, the more you spend, the longer the guitar will last (well, most likely). If you think she is going to keep playing, buy her something nice. Then you wont have to worry about buying her another guitar later down the road.

She will probably be playing a while. She has wanted to since she was 4/5 and taught herself piano. She practices for hours on her broken one now.

However, she is STILL just a kid...with a big brother and friends. Whatever I buy, I'm sure it will get broken at some point, so I'd rather buy her a new cheap guitar every year or so then one that will 'last' because, I seriously doubt it will.

I'm thinking of going down to guitar center today to see what 'fits' best.

Thanks for the tips on the prof. tuning. I think that is what we need most.

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FridgeGremlin! wrote:
I agree with NSmike, the squier is a decent guitar. If you are looking for something thats cheap but sounds good get her a Gibson Les Paul. This one seems pretty nice http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Gibson-Les-Paul-Melody-Maker-Dual-Pickup-Electric-Guitar?sku=512641X I think this is the one my friend just got, it sounds great.

That's a Gibson, but it's not a Les Paul. Les Paul studios are running around around $1K now. I got mine for $600 about 13 years ago.

Ah, thats what I meant. My bad.

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FridgeGremlin! wrote:
Ah, thats what I meant. My bad.

Not really your fault, the URL seems deliberately misleading.

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Guitar Center usually carries the Squier starter kits, and I believe sells the individual Squier guitars for around $130. Also, if you didn't know, Musician's Friend owns Guitar Center (or the other way around, can't remember which) so check their site for better deals. They'll match them.

EDIT: Musician's Friend also has a mini-strat for $100, though the reviews are not promising in some cases:
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Squier-Mini-Strat-Electric-Guitar...

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I'm thinking of going down to guitar center today to see what 'fits' best.

That is a good choice. Different guitars feel different to each individual person. I personally like my Les Paul, and I know Strats are a good guitar but they just don't "feel" right to me. The guitar I'm kinda looking to get is the PRS SE. But for $600 it might be out of your price range.

If I was shopping I would check out this Gibson. It seem ridiculously cheap for a Gibson.

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MechaSlinky wrote:
I saw a pink Hello Kitty guitar about a year ago...

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...pink Hello Kitty Strat...

I don' wanna sound gay or nothin', but I gotta get me one of those.

Edit: Ne'er mind. I didn't realize they were made by Fender. I have an allergic reaction to Fender guitars.

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I wound up getting a used one. It was less than half the price and already tuned/adjusted. I'm pretty sure it was stolen....but hey, I got a good deal.

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peacensunshine wrote:
I wound up getting a used one. It was less than half the price and already tuned/adjusted. I'm pretty sure it was stolen....but hey, I got a good deal.

Did you buy it from a guy with shifty eyes?

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FridgeGremlin! wrote:
peacensunshine wrote:
I wound up getting a used one. It was less than half the price and already tuned/adjusted. I'm pretty sure it was stolen....but hey, I got a good deal.

Did you buy it from a guy with shifty eyes?

Nah, it's a used guitar. She more likely got it from a scruffy looking guy who's hopes and dreams have been crushed by reality. Pawn shops can be a great place to pick up guitars if you know what you're looking at.

I'm assuming it doesn't have any knife slashes, bullet holes, or blood stains ... right?

Hope she enjoys it peace!

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LilCodger wrote:

I'm assuming it doesn't have any knife slashes, bullet holes, or blood stains ... right?

Hope she enjoys it peace!

If it doesn't have those things it's not worth buying. Knifes, bullet holes and bloodstains are the purest form of rock.

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Well, you've already got one, but I'll throw in my opinion anyway. If you're looking for used instruments, Craigslist is the way to go. So many options and since it's local, I can meet to view the item. I also live in Austin and with the number of musicians (real and wannabe) in this town, the numbers may be skewed.

As for decent cheap models, I recently took a Squier Affinity Telecaster (definitely a cheap guitar) off a friend's hands and, after being set-up properly, it is so much fun to play. Running it through a Epiphone Valve Jr. and the occasional effects, and it sounds just fine with that Tele twang present. My Les Paul is collecting dust. Sometimes cheap guitars can just be fun, and anyone that is learning shouldn't be spending a ton. Talent can squeeze some nice sounds out of anything.

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As a um...professional. I would simply say that you would do yourself a service by purchasing the cheapest acoustic $100 Yamaha from whatever vendor is closest to you. Forget about solid tops, style and finish- your daughter is battering frets to learn my friend.

Buy an easy to read simple chord book your daughter can understand, I would suggest one written and drawn in a charted graphical way.

Then buy a few (chords listed or charted in a graph) song books chalk full of songs your daughter knows.

The next step is to buy a great electronic tuner (I suggest KORG). Learn how to tune her instrument like it means everything- because it does. It'll save ya at least 20 bucks each time you want it tuned. Besides remember that an out of tune guitar will never sound the way she will want it to...also remember that newer strings stretch, as do strings in extreme hot or cold. Always check your tuning- it'll save lives.

Have her practice her chord book along with songs she knows, and if she has worked this whole zenny thing right then having what note is played against the lyrics and the song she has dancing in her head will pay off. Within only a few months of "practicing" she will learn the basics of guitar not just because of the hardship of knowing how to use your fingers but because she will be having fun just playing what she likes. Don't start on theory; I already blame Greco-Roman orgies for boring people.

If you want a new electric- I would suggest a cheap Fender Stratocaster (haggle the salesman), the guitar model remains strong and efficient but that is my school. Let your daughter find her own and let me know if you need any additional help.

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MechaSlinky wrote:
I saw a pink Hello Kitty guitar about a year ago, and I've been wanting it ever since. This doesn't help you, I suppose, but if you ever see a Hello Kitty guitar, buy it! You'll regret it if you don't. It has powers...

The Hello Kitty Guitar is a Squire produced by Fender.

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I'm in agreement with Zen's suggestion about learning chords and then songs she knows/likes. I suggested songs by Tom Petty since they are all 3-chords strummers. No amount of technical knowledge, theory and sight reading can keep one's interests as much as the fun of banging out a tune. Just look at what Guitar Hero did for non-musicians now learning to play the guitar.

But I think several people have disputed our method and suggested getting a good teacher, which is probably not a bad idea either.

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Um, guys? She's already taking lessons. She broke the guitar she had ... What kind of lessons they are is up for questioning.

Yes, I agree. Nothing like theory to suck the fun out of music, although you can't be really good without it. If you can get through reading actual notation, learning chord structure, keys, etc., that is a great thing. If it gets in the way of enjoying it, drop it like a bad habit.

(As I'm thinking about it: Yes you can be good without being "taught" theory, but you can't be really good without "learning" theory, whether consciously or not)

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Actually, it was my 45 year old brother in law that broke it playing with it and trying to tune it.

She is taking lessons...she is a clapton fan, so sunshine of your love is her first real song. Her teacher gives her both to practice...a set of chords, and a song.

We actually got this guitar....

Which is a Schecter Omen-6. She mostly wanted it because it was blue.

I paid $75 for it and it retails for $299-449. It seems solid and plays well and looks brand new and was already in tune, according to the tuner thingy.

I figure if by Christmas if she is still loving it we can get her a better one...or it may last a few years.

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What did he break when trying to tune it? One of the tuning pegs?

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That Schecter is a fine guitar. You'd probably pay $250-300 for it new, and it is easily comparable to or better than similarly priced offerings from Fender, Epiphone, etc. I'd take it to a guitar shop and have it professionally set up at some point, but there is absolutely no reason that guitar shouldn't last her for as long as she wants to keep playing the guitar.

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