Women need a manual

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Really, I'm being honest here. There needs to be some sort of manual for women. (To be fair, there needs to be one for men too, but in all honesty it would be more like a pamphlet that says , food, nookie, sleep.. repeat to keep happy)

Before I go onto the main topic of today's rant, let me give a little back story. I alluded to a possibly DDT thread around Valentines Day when I almost shaved my beard off for a lady. This is a girl I met through the dangerous waters of online dating. Slightly older than me, divorced, but extremely attractive, intelligent, and she laughed at all my jokes. Lets call her "The 28 year old." We have been seeing each other for several weeks now, however the fact that she is still seeing several other guys (3 to be exact) has allowed me to keep my options open. This really wasn't something I was to keen on doing, but I went with it and have been on a few other dates.

This previous weekend, I ended up "hooking up" with a friend's friend after my band played a show that she came out to. This was not a planned out previously hinted upon hook up. This was a drunken make out session in the back of a car that led to a sleepover. Said girl hung out with me for the weekend, and it turns out that she is extremely clingy, and I have a feeling thinks I'm her BF already...sigh. Lets call her "Bar girl."

The problem that has arisen though, is in my stupidity, I mentioned making out with Bar Girl to the 28 year old. Yes, I know I probably shouldn't have said a word about it, but she mentions her dates from time to time, and we are both extremely open with each other. Also, the impromptu make out session was in the back of my drummers car while another band member was passed out next to us, so it was a pretty funny story that became a running joke all weekend .

So now 28 year old girl is taken aback due to the fact that I was making out with another girl. The reason being, that since we first kissed, she has not kissed another man. Something I find hard to believe since she has been on several dates with the same men, one who has driven quite a distance to hang out with her.

So long story short, the girl who could have had me all to herself, is upset because she continued to date other guys, which allowed me to see other women, which in turn led me to make out with them. I'm stuck trying to figure out what is going on with the 28 year old, breaking it to Bar girl that we should "just be friends" (which includes getting my hoodie back), and I still have to give the really cute waitress a call who's number I got Saturday night after Bar girl went home extremely wasted.

Right now, my money is on the Waitress, just because I know the least about her. She hasn't had a chance to confuse or annoy me yet.

Again, they need a manual.

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+1 vote for the waitress. 28YO sounds flaky, like she's partially commited to you and expects you to infer that, even when she's dating other people. If there's no exclusivity arrangement then anything goes when you're seeing other people. That's sort of the point of seeing other people.

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The only manual you need:

Don't stick your dick in the crazy. (corollary for women: Don't let the crazy stick its dick in you.)

You, sir, are violating this precept. Sad, clingy, and wasted? That's the crazy. Dating four dudes at once, expects you to infer the unspoken rules? That's the crazy.

Get out now and call the waitress.

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You don't define clingy well enough. My wife and I started out with her being definitely more into the relationship than me. That was a good thing in our case. 12 years later we're still together and getting ready to celebrate our 10th wedding anniversary.

My point is that I'd need to know what clingy meant, but I'm going to give a tentative +1 on bar girl as well. Unless she turns stalker crazy the worst thing that can happen is you see if you like her well enough and who knows what happens. The other one sounds like she may have issues of trust and commitment.

EDIT: Oh wait, I missed the part about there being someone else. Go with the waitress, yeah. Although I'm still not sold that bar girl is a lost cause. She doesn't sound crazy yet to me. I'd need to see more.

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My wife is swearing by this book at the moment, and keeps telling me I should read it so I understand her better.

I can't really offer any dating advice though, since I've been married for nearly 6 years and never really dated before that. I consider myself one of the luckiest men on the planet.

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This thread is a first-rate DDT material.

@ Brennil: regarding your rule -- but he hasn't even gotten yet to stick anything anywhere on the 28YO!

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Hmm. No matter how "extremely open" your relationship is, did 28 Year Old really need to hear about your exploits with Bar Girl, or were you just trying to get a reaction out of her? Back in my dating days, oh-so-many moons ago, I don't ever remember divulging my exploits with one guy to another, even when I was dating simultaneously. At the very least, it's extremely tactless, and it doesn't exactly present you in the best light.

Think from the reverse: Would you have wanted to hear the nitty gritty of how she hooked up with another guy? Especially some drunken man-slut who basically hurled himself at her while she was on the job, who she made out with over the comatose bodies of her co-workers? That's not exactly something I'd want to hear, even if I did have a non-exclusive relationship with someone.

ETA: Brennil is wise. Don't stick your dick in the crazy (or the corollary). It's never worth it. Something to keep in mind, you burgeoning rock star, you.

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You're right, of course, Kat. You're always smarter than me. I totally flew right past the fact that he's telling this girl he thinks he's dating exclusively about his hookup. That's a little weird too.

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Oh god, I'm so happy I never really dated. I would be so lost if I ever had to find someone else (some 14 years and still going).

That said, sounds like self-inflicted woe to me to first see several ladies at the same time and then tell them about each other.

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I have to disagree with the posters regarding crazy women. It's almost always worth it. And if you're already into the whole date lots of people at once thing, then what's the problem? Dating a bunch of people at once is not for everyone, but if it's working for you then stick with it.

Explain to clingy girl that you are in a band and love the rock 'n roll lifestyle too much to settle down, accuse the 28-year old of hooking up behind your back, and call the bar girl and ask her to come over and strum your guitar.

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KaterinLHC wrote:
Hmm. No matter how "extremely open" your relationship is, did 28 Year Old really need to hear about your exploits with Bar Girl, or were you just trying to get a reaction out of her? Back in my dating days, oh-so-many moons ago, I don't ever remember divulging my exploits with one guy to another, even when I was dating simultaneously. At the very least, it's extremely tactless, and it doesn't exactly present you in the best light.

Think from the reverse: Would you have wanted to hear the nitty gritty of how she hooked up with another guy? Especially some drunken man-slut who basically hurled himself at her while she was on the job, who she made out with over the comatose bodies of her co-workers? That's not exactly something I'd want to hear, even if I did have a non-exclusive relationship with someone.

I agree with you completely on this point, and feel like a complete jerk for mentioning it. As soon as it was out there, I did a mental head slap due to me wanting to take that back right away. She however did ask how my date went. We have had numerous conversations about the exact same events that happened this weekend, recalling previous bar exploits. I was stupid and let the conversation in my head move more towards joking around with a friend than a relationship interest. I also did not inform her on the entire event of our making out. All she knows is i made out with the girl. The location and witnesses were added in for the enjoyment factor for all who read here.

Funkenpants wrote:
Dating a bunch of people at once is not for everyone, but if it's working for you then stick with it.

This is actually the first time I have been in the whole dating multiple people game. I'm normally a stick with one person type of guy. There seems to be much more work involved when dealing with multiple women. Plus, I seem to have to tell half truths, or keep certain things hidden to ensure that I don't hurt anyones feelings. This is the point where my honest nature gets me in trouble, as can be seen in this post.

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What is it about people in bands that people(women especially) find so attractive?

Oh, and forget the waitress - she'll probably make you pay My money is on the groupies... You have groupies right? Usually they're several years younger and hang on every word you sing... My friends in their band had their own set of groupies though there was some sort of 'don't feed the groupies' pact going on. Maybe groupies fall under the label of crazy!

+1 for the waitress.

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Yoreel wrote:
Plus, I seem to have to tell half truths, or keep certain things hidden to ensure that I don't hurt anyones feelings.

Dishonesty is more likely to make you feel bad afterwards than being truthful. Just say nothing unless someone asks, and if she asks, tell her the truth. Also mention that you are in a band, and that women will always be throwing themselves at you. What are you supposed to do, you ask, turn them down and have them leave the venue in a bad mood?
They're paying customers. You have to do whatever to please them.

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PurEvil wrote:
My wife is swearing by this book at the moment, and keeps telling me I should read it so I understand her better.

I can't really offer any dating advice though, since I've been married for nearly 6 years and never really dated before that. I consider myself one of the luckiest men on the planet.


I'll second the recommendation of The Female Brain. It is a fairly humorous take on how people's brains function and may give you a bit of additional insight.

If you think Bar Girl is crazy, give up on the idea of getting back your hoodie. Check out the fashion post that went up here last week. It has some good recommendations for places to find fun replacements.

While I'm not sure telling the 28yo that you had a sloppy make-out session with another woman was the right thing to do, it could turn out that it shocks her enough to decide if she wants to be with you or just keep you in the picture as one of many. If you're into her, find out if she's into you before you call the waitress. Don't forget to wave at Bar Girl from far away. One sloppy make-out can be forgiven while you are both seeing other people. Make it two and you're telling the 28yo that you aren't into her either"…

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Sorry, you can't "date" other guys and get offended when one of them kisses another woman. Seems like 28YO doesn't get that relationships are a two-way street. And clearly there's some kind of communication problem. If the two of you can't get on board with a definition of your relationship, then it's probably best to end it.

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I didn't read past your second paragraph, and that directly has to deal with the only dating advice I've got.

I've been married for almost two years, been with her for 10, known her for probably closer to 12, and here is what I've learned through years of painful introspection and constant turmoil.

Act the way you want to act, let her act the way she wants to act. If you still want to be together, well, you're finished. That's it. Relationship achieved, congratualtions.

If someone makes you want to actually write down how crazy and conflicted they make you feel, then it's probably not going to work out. To me every DDT thread is a eulogy.

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I went on to read the reviews of that The Female Brain book, and all of the actual specialists who cared leave the feedback are panning the sh*t out of it. Looks like the author has an agenda to promote the treatment methods at her private clinic rather than to actually make a coherent picture of the gender-specific behavioral differences and to further the understanding of differences actual and stereotypical.

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Chiggie Von Richthofen wrote:

Act the way you want to act, let her act the way she wants to act. If you still want to be together, well, you're finished. That's it. Relationship achieved, congratualtions.

If someone makes you want to actually write down how crazy and conflicted they make you feel, then it's probably not going to work out. To me every DDT thread is a eulogy.

Wow, that actually makes probably the most sense out of everything I have ever heard about dating on the internet. Well besides finger --> butt.

I do believe you are on to something there.

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As far as 28yo is concerned, it seems obvious that she feels she married too young, missed out on her youth and is looking to make up for lost time, while not getting too attached. At the same time she's not accustomed to sharing. Have fun, but don't expect it to go anywhere. It's obvious she doesn't want it to.

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CF and Chiggie should write an internet dating book. At the very least it'd be highly entertaining.

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I don't think you're getting that hoodie back, mate.

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To me every DDT thread is a eulogy.

Brilliant.

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If Yoreel wants, I'll actually read what his problem is and write him some cue cards to say on the phone.

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Manual = Way of the Superior Man by David Deida. Nuff said.

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I was always in a committed, monogamous relationship during my rock band gigging days. Ah, sweet bar sluts, I never tasted your forbidden pleasures.

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Chiggie Von Richthofen wrote:
If Yoreel wants, I'll actually read what his problem is and write him some cue cards to say on the phone.

I'm not much for the phone. I will be doing most discussions face to face, there fore cue cards will only work if you can position yourself behind the female I'm speaking with. Then I will just have to be really careful while reading.

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I was always in a committed, monogamous relationship during my rock band gigging days. Ah, sweet bar sluts, I never tasted your forbidden pleasures.

Being as we need to clean up all our crap at the end of the night, including the full PA, and light set up, I too have not had many experiences with the bar slut. Most of the time, they have up and left by the time we are done. This one just so happened to be getting a ride back with us to her house.

It looks like you really didn't miss out on too much Podunk

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Only way to stay happy in a situation like that is for both parties to keep their mouths shut. Until something is done where one commits to the other your both using each other for a potential booty call or an excuse if the other partners dont work out the way they want. Just enjoy the time when you are together and forget the rest of the baggage.

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Yoreel wrote:
Chiggie Von Richthofen wrote:
If Yoreel wants, I'll actually read what his problem is and write him some cue cards to say on the phone.

I'm not much for the phone. I will be doing most discussions face to face, there fore cue cards will only work if you can position yourself behind the female I'm speaking with. Then I will just have to be really careful while reading.

No problem, just copy these onto a note card and read it in front of them.

28 woman: Can we take your vagina back? (Pause for odd look or question as to why) Well, it's just, being a gamer, I'm more used to a system where if I get something used, I can take it back if I find out it's scratched and covered in fingerprints.

Bar Girl: So, how long are we going to keep playing this game until I get to pee on you? (wait for her to act appalled and leave, if she answers in the affirmative, say you were joking, act appalled and leave)

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Chiggie Von Richthofen wrote:
Yoreel wrote:
Chiggie Von Richthofen wrote:
If Yoreel wants, I'll actually read what his problem is and write him some cue cards to say on the phone.

I'm not much for the phone. I will be doing most discussions face to face, there fore cue cards will only work if you can position yourself behind the female I'm speaking with. Then I will just have to be really careful while reading.

No problem, just copy these onto a note card and read it in front of them.

28 woman: Can we take your vagina back? (Pause for odd look or question as to why) Well, it's just, being a gamer, I'm more used to a system where if I get something used, I can take it back if I find out it's scratched and covered in fingerprints.

Bar Girl: So, how long are we going to keep playing this game until I get to pee on you? (wait for her to act appalled and leave, if she answers in the affirmative, say you were joking, act appalled and leave)

On second thought, if I were to use them, the phone would be preferable. That way I can increase my chances of not getting slapped in the face or punched in the groin.

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Yeah, a manual won't help you where crazy is concerned. And you don't really need one with the non-crazy variety.

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Gorilla.800.lbs wrote:
I went on to read the reviews of that The Female Brain book, and all of the actual specialists who cared leave the feedback are panning the sh*t out of it. Looks like the author has an agenda to promote the treatment methods at her private clinic rather than to actually make a coherent picture of the gender-specific behavioral differences and to further the understanding of differences actual and stereotypical.

Wow... I read the first two reviews... pretty brutal. Crystal had mentioned that she seemed a little hit-and-miss, but some of the general thoughts were right. So far her biggest qualm about the book was that it was irritatingly repetitive in it's points. I think I'm going to have to get her to read that first review... though she'll probably ask me to hit the library for some of the other books that guy mentions.

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Yoreel wrote:
Chiggie Von Richthofen wrote:
Yoreel wrote:
Chiggie Von Richthofen wrote:
If Yoreel wants, I'll actually read what his problem is and write him some cue cards to say on the phone.

I'm not much for the phone. I will be doing most discussions face to face, there fore cue cards will only work if you can position yourself behind the female I'm speaking with. Then I will just have to be really careful while reading.

No problem, just copy these onto a note card and read it in front of them.

28 woman: Can we take your vagina back? (Pause for odd look or question as to why) Well, it's just, being a gamer, I'm more used to a system where if I get something used, I can take it back if I find out it's scratched and covered in fingerprints.

Bar Girl: So, how long are we going to keep playing this game until I get to pee on you? (wait for her to act appalled and leave, if she answers in the affirmative, say you were joking, act appalled and leave)

On second thought, if I were to use them, the phone would be preferable. That way I can increase my chances of not getting slapped in the face or punched in the groin.

Hey, it doesn't sound like one out of the bunch is going to be good for you, might as well go out with smile on your face.

And, the faces of everyone around when you say these things in a public place.