Wiretapping catch all
Monday, January 28th, 2008 - 4:59pm
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The Senate is poised to make its most critical vote yet on illegal government surveillance this afternoon at 4:30pm ET. There are still a few hours left to phone your Senator and tell them to stand up for your rights. Our allies in DC tell us this vote really could go in either direction, so your call will make a real difference.Meanwhile, here's a roundup of recent discussion of FISA here, on the blogs and in the media:
- Congress is considering 30-day extension of the Protect America Act to allow time to consider further amendments. But Bush has threatened to veto even this short extension. EFF hopes Congress calls his bluff "” vetoing the PAA extension after claiming it's necessary to protect the homeland will put him in a difficult position. As Harry Reid says: "The president has to make a decision. He's either going to extend the law... or there will be no wiretapping."
- The Bush administration has been claiming that a decision to allow the PAA to expire this week would immediately end important government surveillance. In fact, as Cindy Cohn clarified here on DeepLinks and Harry Reid reiterated on Friday, this is pure political theater "” surveillance could continue for at least a year even if no new legislation is passed.
- As Media Matters found last week, the news networks have failed to ask more than a single question about government surveillance of the presidential candidates in over a dozen debates this season. Mitt Romney received the lone question, in September of 2007. Despite this myopia from the media, Democratic candidates have finally begun to take notice, with Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama returning to DC today to vote against cloture! Statements opposing telecom immunity have been issued by the Edwards and Clinton campaigns.
- Excellent and up-to-the-minute overage continues at FireDogLake and Unclaimed Territory.



An update from Unclaimed Territory, pretty interesting. The last paragraph says it all.
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Good stuff, nice to see the people win something for once.
I think that when you get dressed in the morning, sometimes you're really making a decision about your behavior for the day. Like if you put on flipflops, you're saying: "˜Hope I don't get chased today.' "˜Be nice to people in sneakers.
OK, umm... forgive my ignorance but... if the whole problem is that this is illegal surveillance, doesn't that mean this ruling is meaningless?
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No, it's not. It means that the Protect America Act, which amended FISA will expire on Friday. So warrantless surveillance is illegal again. Also, since the bill didn't pass, the telecoms still haven't got immunity for their part in the mess.
It should be noted that the filibuster succeeding has more to do with Democratic senators huffing and puffing over not being allowed to vote on the amendments, not anything to do with principles. It'll pass eventually, unless something drastic happens. Rockefeller and Reid have been pai...lobbied handsomely to make sure of that.
Glenn Greenwald has possibly more analysis than you want on this stuff at Unclaimed Territory.
"The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one's time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all."
I'm confused on this though. I expected the votes to go the other way with Republicans not voting.
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Olbermann did a special comment on this.
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Ah, but if the Republicans aren't voting then some of the Democrats can safely vote the other way so they can look "tough on terra."
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The Protect America Act could be a massive win for terrorists or foreign security services by providing one target to subvert with a huge payoff, say security researchers.
“Why are we talking about this in the White House? History will not judge this kindly.” Atty Gen'l John Ashcroft, on secret NSC torture guideline discussions.
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There are tons of good, single targets with huge payoffs. The Statue of Liberty, the Hoover Dam, the White House, etc. I'm not worried about giving the terrorists a single target because from what I've seen they can't even knock over a gas station in the US.
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So Lobster, would the impact of hitting the Statue of Liberty compare with an undetected year-long tap of hundreds of government officials? That's what happened in Greece about two years ago; they still don't know who did it, or why.
Bear in mind that much of this monitoring will occur outside the US. Or just read the paper, it explains the risks.
“Why are we talking about this in the White House? History will not judge this kindly.” Atty Gen'l John Ashcroft, on secret NSC torture guideline discussions.
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CNN was showing it live.
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Yep. That's the party of strict law and order, of American traditions and high standards of behavior. The ones who want us to be the *torturing* shining city on the hill...
“Why are we talking about this in the White House? History will not judge this kindly.” Atty Gen'l John Ashcroft, on secret NSC torture guideline discussions.
So much for the party of individual rights and responsibilities. Ronald Reagan must be spinning in his grave with all this talk of "trusting the government".
There is only an up or down--up to a man's age-old dream, the ultimate in individual freedom consistent with law and order--or down to the ant heap totalitarianism,... those who would trade our freedom for security have embarked on this downward course.
This completely bears repeating. Enough so to not cheapen it with an acronym
Presenter: Johnny Weissmuller died on this day. Which jungle-swinging character clad only in a loin cloth did he play?
Contestant: Jesus
LOL, That put a nice contrast on where the republican party is headed and where the conservative wing of it wants to be now doesn't it?
"Also, I have four legs and am covered in wool. Baa!" *Legion* reveals his inner furry.
House of Reps did not vote on the Senate's bill yesterday and so now that they are on break the immunity dies, for now.
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I'm reading over the PAA (Protect America Act) Factsheet at the moment. I love how this thing is worded! All the important bits are Capitalized and Underlined... such as the phrase: If The House Fails To Pass The Bipartisan Senate Bill Immediately, The Protect America Act Will Expire This Saturday And Leave Our Nation At Greater Risk Of A Terrorist Attack If it had any punctuation I swear it would be three or four !!!!s, but it's a heading where the 'Facts' of this assertion are spelled out.
My favorite one so far(with clarifications added by me):
Failure to act will also make the private sector less willing to (break the laws of our country in order to) help in our efforts to defend the country. Without the retroactive liability protection provided in the bipartisan Senate bill, we may not be able to secure (by threats or coercion) the private sector's cooperation with our (illegal) intelligence efforts. If the House allows the PAA to expire without replacing it with the Senate bill, existing (illegal) intelligence activities may be at significant (legal) risk. This is because the PAA provides liability protection for our private sector partners assisting in current (illegal) activities, but those partners are likely to raise questions about whether the liability protection they currently enjoy expires with the PAA. Similar questions could arise regarding whether the PAA's provisions authorizing courts to compel cooperation by the private sector (to break the laws of this country) also expire with the Act. At a minimum, the private sector would become less willing to (break the laws of this country to) help our efforts to defend the country because of this uncertainty; at worst, they would cease helping us (break the law) at all. This uncertainty risks creating intelligence gaps and damaging our intelligence professionals' ability to (break the laws of this country to) protect the Nation.
HILARIOUS.
Politely rude. Briskly vague. Firmly uninformative.
To paraphrase Glenn Greenwald: Apparently America's ability to survive as a nation hangs on telecoms having license to break the law without being sued by their customers in court.
"The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one's time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all."
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I get mad when I read about this amnesty but I did think the CCIA's letter was awesome ...
http://www.ccianet.org/artmanager/uploads/1/HouseFISAletter022908.pdf
Makes me proud to be in IT.
"For from his view we may indeed see the basic weaknesses of our own condition, and if we are mature, we may learn and grow and profit from the wisdom of the brothers who are called the opposition." MLK
The Word: AT & Treason
The always hysterical Mr. Colbert hits another one out of the park with his "The Word," segment dealing with the fear-mongering Bush administration FISA battle. It's nice to see the writers back on their game.
By using clips from classic horror movies like Silence of the Lambs, Nightmare on Elm Street and When a Stranger Calls, Colbert proves his point. The real purpose of the Protect America Act is actually to protect the Telecoms for participating in BushCo's illegal wiretapping endeavor by granting them retroactive immunity for violating our civil rights"”Our
Privacy. It all makes sense now. And don't pick up the phone!
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I actually saw a commercial this week going on about how we're at risk from the terrorist because of this bill not being passed.
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US Terror List now exceeds 900,000 names.
That's right, boys and girls. 1 in every 226 of your fellow Americans is suspected of terrorism.
The list is expected to exceed 1,000,000 names in July.
Groves giveth, and Gates taketh away.
Hmmm ... does that Terror List include the 1 in 100 Americans already incarcerated? If not wouldn't that skew the numbers?
"For from his view we may indeed see the basic weaknesses of our own condition, and if we are mature, we may learn and grow and profit from the wisdom of the brothers who are called the opposition." MLK
Didn't the CIA estimate that there were only 25,000ish members of AQ right after 9/11? And now they're adding about that many to the list each month?
Either the terrorists have mastered multi-level marketing or that list is absolute garbage.