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The Senate is poised to make its most critical vote yet on illegal government surveillance this afternoon at 4:30pm ET. There are still a few hours left to phone your Senator and tell them to stand up for your rights. Our allies in DC tell us this vote really could go in either direction, so your call will make a real difference.

Meanwhile, here's a roundup of recent discussion of FISA here, on the blogs and in the media:

  • Congress is considering 30-day extension of the Protect America Act to allow time to consider further amendments. But Bush has threatened to veto even this short extension. EFF hopes Congress calls his bluff "” vetoing the PAA extension after claiming it's necessary to protect the homeland will put him in a difficult position. As Harry Reid says: "The president has to make a decision. He's either going to extend the law... or there will be no wiretapping."
  • The Bush administration has been claiming that a decision to allow the PAA to expire this week would immediately end important government surveillance. In fact, as Cindy Cohn clarified here on DeepLinks and Harry Reid reiterated on Friday, this is pure political theater "” surveillance could continue for at least a year even if no new legislation is passed.

  • As Media Matters found last week, the news networks have failed to ask more than a single question about government surveillance of the presidential candidates in over a dozen debates this season. Mitt Romney received the lone question, in September of 2007. Despite this myopia from the media, Democratic candidates have finally begun to take notice, with Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama returning to DC today to vote against cloture! Statements opposing telecom immunity have been issued by the Edwards and Clinton campaigns.
  • Excellent and up-to-the-minute overage continues at FireDogLake and Unclaimed Territory.

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An update from Unclaimed Territory, pretty interesting. The last paragraph says it all.

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UPDATE III: The vote on the Motion for Cloture on the 30-day extension (i.e., to proceed to a vote on it) just failed -- 48-45 (again, 60 votes are needed). All Democrats (including Clinton and Obama) voted in favor of the Motion, but no Republicans did -- not a single one. Thus, at least as of today, there will be no 30-day extension of the PAA and it will expire on Friday.

Reid, however, indicated that it was certain that the House will vote in favor of an extension tomorrow, which means it will be sent to the Senate for another vote. It's possible, then, that the Senate will vote again later in the week on an extension, but it's hard to imagine any Republicans ever voting in favor of an extension since Bush has vowed to veto it.

By blocking an extension, Republicans just basically assured that the PAA -- which they spent the last seven months shrilly insisting was crucial if we are going to be Saved from The Terrorists -- will expire on Friday without any new bill in place. Since the House is going out of session after tomorrow, there is no way to get a new bill in place before Friday. The Republicans, at Bush's behest, just knowingly deprived the intelligence community of a tool they have long claimed is so vital. Is the media going to understand and be able to explain what the Republicans just did? Yes, that's a rhetorical question.

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Thank you for taking action to stop the Senate from voting for cloture on the Senate Intelligence Committee's terrible spying bill! The vote for cloture failed by 12 votes -- a significant margin in the Senate. Cloture would have ended debate on the surveillance bill, but this victory instead gives Senators more time engage in full debate, and more time to offer amendments to make improvements to protect civil liberties. One major goal moving forward is to advocate for the passage of the Dodd-Feingold amendment, which strips telecom immunity from the spying bill. However, as of now, there is little concrete knowledge about when the Senate will take up that issue.

This denial of cloture was made possible by strong response from concerned citizens and activists like you, and it gives us more time to show Congress: "We the People oppose telecom immunity and want them to stop spying." The Electronic Frontier Foundation and People for the American Way have engaged in a photo/video campaign to send that message to members of Congress -- please visit StopTheSpying.org to contribute a photo or video message to drive the point home: no telecom immunity!

http://www.stopthespying.org

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Good stuff, nice to see the people win something for once.

I think that when you get dressed in the morning, sometimes you're really making a decision about your behavior for the day. Like if you put on flipflops, you're saying: "˜Hope I don't get chased today.' "˜Be nice to people in sneakers.

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OK, umm... forgive my ignorance but... if the whole problem is that this is illegal surveillance, doesn't that mean this ruling is meaningless?

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No, it's not. It means that the Protect America Act, which amended FISA will expire on Friday. So warrantless surveillance is illegal again. Also, since the bill didn't pass, the telecoms still haven't got immunity for their part in the mess.

It should be noted that the filibuster succeeding has more to do with Democratic senators huffing and puffing over not being allowed to vote on the amendments, not anything to do with principles. It'll pass eventually, unless something drastic happens. Rockefeller and Reid have been pai...lobbied handsomely to make sure of that.

Glenn Greenwald has possibly more analysis than you want on this stuff at Unclaimed Territory.

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I'm confused on this though. I expected the votes to go the other way with Republicans not voting.

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I'm confused on this though. I expected the votes to go the other way with Republicans not voting.

Ah, but if the Republicans aren't voting then some of the Democrats can safely vote the other way so they can look "tough on terra."

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The Protect America Act could be a massive win for terrorists or foreign security services by providing one target to subvert with a huge payoff, say security researchers.

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By diverting the flow of so much domestic data into a few massive pools, the administration may have "[built] for its opponents something that would be too expensive for them to build for themselves," say the authors: "a system that lets them see the U.S.'s intelligence interests...[and] that might be turned" to exploit conversations and information useful for plotting an attack on the United States.

“Why are we talking about this in the White House? History will not judge this kindly.” Atty Gen'l John Ashcroft, on secret NSC torture guideline discussions.

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This week, Senators finally cast their votes on amendments to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA). This is a critical week for the privacy and civil liberties of all Americans "” the amendments are the last chance the Senate has to prevent handing the Administration a blank check to spy on you for years to come.

Of the amendments, the most important is The Dodd-Feingold Amendment to Strike Retroactive Immunity. The vote on this could happen as early as Monday "” so email or telephone your Senators now and tell them where you stand!

Friday, former counterterrorism expert Richard Clarke penned a brilliant and revealing editorial in the Philadelphia Inquirer. Clarke, you may remember, was a security advisor to four presidents before retiring in 2003 and becoming a vocal critic of Bush's flawed counterterrorism strategy.

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Let me be clear: Our ability to track and monitor terrorists overseas would not cease should the Protect America Act expire. If this were true, the president would not threaten to terminate any temporary extension with his veto pen. All surveillance currently occurring would continue even after legislative provisions lapsed because authorizations issued under the act are in effect up to a full year.

Simply put, it was wrong for the president to suggest that warrants issued in compliance with FISA would suddenly evaporate with congressional inaction. Instead - even though Congress extended the Protect America Act by two weeks - he is using the existence of the sunset provision to cast his political opponents in a negative light.

For this president, fear is an easier political tactic than compromise. With FISA, he is attempting to rattle Congress into hastily expanding his own executive powers at the expense of civil liberties and constitutional protections.

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In order to defeat the violent Islamist extremists who do not believe in human rights, we need not give up the civil liberties, constitutional rights and protections that generations of Americans fought to achieve. We do not need to create Big Brother. With the administration's attempts to erode FISA's legal standing as the exclusive means by which our government can conduct electronic surveillance of U.S. persons on U.S. soil, this is unfortunately the path the president is taking us down.

Congressional votes this week are our last chance to avoid this path "” contact your Senator now!

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The Protect America Act could be a massive win for terrorists or foreign security services by providing one target to subvert with a huge payoff, say security researchers.

There are tons of good, single targets with huge payoffs. The Statue of Liberty, the Hoover Dam, the White House, etc. I'm not worried about giving the terrorists a single target because from what I've seen they can't even knock over a gas station in the US.

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So Lobster, would the impact of hitting the Statue of Liberty compare with an undetected year-long tap of hundreds of government officials? That's what happened in Greece about two years ago; they still don't know who did it, or why.

Bear in mind that much of this monitoring will occur outside the US. Or just read the paper, it explains the risks.

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As the Senate prepares to vote on amendments to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act this week -- including the crucial Dodd-Feingold amendment to strip telecom immunity from the bill -- the web is lighting up with news and analysis. A few highlights:

Attorney General Michael Mukasey and Director of National Intelligence Mike McConnell sent a letter to Senate leaders reminding them (in case they have forgotten) that the President will veto any FISA bill that does not include immunity for telecoms like AT&T that cooperated in the NSA's domestic spying program.

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If any of these amendments [striking or altering immunity conditions in the bill] is part of the bill that is presented to the President, we, as well as the President's other senior advisors, will recommend that he veto the bill.

Senate Majority leader Harry Reid stood up to Mukasey's bullying and told it like it is:

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This veto threat is part of a White House strategy to jam the bill through Congress with procedural maneuvers and political gamesmanship. We call on Republicans to allow the legislative process to work so that the Senate can pass a strong bipartisan bill.

Meanwhile, in a call to right-wing commentator Rush Limbaugh meant to shore up support for the telco immunity, Vice President Dick Cheney was uncharacteristically blunt in admitting the private sector's cooperation in the NSA program:

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Those companies helped specifically at our request. They've done yeoman duty for the country.

Senator Feingold told Newsweek why Americans dislike the idea of immunity:

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People see their own personal liberties affected. And we've seen that the telecom immunity does offend people. People may be nervous about giving a free pass [on immigration]. But what's gonna bother them even more are the types of things I'm describing here: the level to which their privacy is being subjected to a "trust me" government that impacts their daily freedom and privacy. It really is disturbing to people with any kind of common sense at all.

Senator Rockefeller had some worrisome things to say on the floor today about the Senate's FISA bill, as Wired's Threat Level notes. General warrants, anyone?

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Unlike traditional [Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act] application orders which involve collection on one individual target, the new FISA provisions create a system of collection. The courts role in this system of collection is not to consider probable cause on individual targets but to ensure that procedures used to collect intelligence are adequate. The courts' determination of the adequacy of procedures therefore impacts all electronic communications gathered under the new mechanisms, even if it involves thousands of targets.

And the LA Times Editorial board reminded readers that the telecoms have a responsibility to uphold the law as the last line of defense against illegal government surveillance:

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It's important that phone companies and Internet providers cooperate fully with legal surveillance requests, and that they not be put at risk for doing so. On warrantless wiretaps, however, those firms are the only potential check against unlawful snooping. If they're protected from any liability, they will have no reason to question the legal basis for the government's requests.

The Senate will be voting on these amendments any day now, and the question of whether to hold telecoms accountable will be resolved one way or the other. Now is the time to take action -- call or email your Senator to urge them to vote Yes on the Dodd-Feingold amendment!

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Oh the theatrics! Let me ask a question. Isn't the original 1978 bill still in effect if nothing is passed now? Just asking"…"….

Things just keep getting uglier on the House floor.

Moments after President Bush threatened to delay his weekend trip to Africa and force Congress to act before key intelligence programs expire, House Republicans staged a walkout to protest Democratic inaction on the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act bill. Frustrated Republicans streamed out of the Capitol and onto the east steps of the Capitol, a powerful act aimed at stopping House floor proceedings and forcing a vote on the FISA bill.

The Republican walkout came after an angry morning in which both sides accused each other of improperly using House floor procedures during the memorial service of Rep. Tom Lantos (D-Calif.) who died Monday. Republicans were also angry that Democrats are taking up contempt resolutions against White House Chief of Staff Josh Bolten and former counsel Harriet Miers.

Minority Leader John A. Boehner (R-Ohio), led his colleagues out of the chamber in a dramatic gesture, saying "let's just get up and leave." But it's not clear if anything will come of the theatrics, as Democrats have refused to take up a Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act bill. Democrats do not want to pass a bill with lawsuit immunity for telecom firms as the White House has demanded.

A Democratic aide said Republicans are at fault because they voted against a 21-day FISA extension on Wednesday, leaving some of the law's programs set to expire.

"We gave them a chance to pass an extension _ you can't put the blame on us," said Nadeam Elshami, a spokesman for Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.). "The president and the Republicans look unreasonable."

Bush says expiration of some of the spy programs will hurt national security.

CNN was showing it live.

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Yep. That's the party of strict law and order, of American traditions and high standards of behavior. The ones who want us to be the *torturing* shining city on the hill...

“Why are we talking about this in the White House? History will not judge this kindly.” Atty Gen'l John Ashcroft, on secret NSC torture guideline discussions.

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So much for the party of individual rights and responsibilities. Ronald Reagan must be spinning in his grave with all this talk of "trusting the government".

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There is only an up or down--up to a man's age-old dream, the ultimate in individual freedom consistent with law and order--or down to the ant heap totalitarianism,... those who would trade our freedom for security have embarked on this downward course.

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So much for the party of individual rights and responsibilities. Ronald Reagan must be spinning in his grave with all this talk of "trusting the government".

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The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'
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I'm from the government and I'm here to help
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This completely bears repeating. Enough so to not cheapen it with an acronym

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Paleocon wrote:
So much for the party of individual rights and responsibilities. Ronald Reagan must be spinning in his grave with all this talk of "trusting the government".

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The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'
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LOL, That put a nice contrast on where the republican party is headed and where the conservative wing of it wants to be now doesn't it?

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House of Reps did not vote on the Senate's bill yesterday and so now that they are on break the immunity dies, for now.

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I'm reading over the PAA (Protect America Act) Factsheet at the moment. I love how this thing is worded! All the important bits are Capitalized and Underlined... such as the phrase: If The House Fails To Pass The Bipartisan Senate Bill Immediately, The Protect America Act Will Expire This Saturday And Leave Our Nation At Greater Risk Of A Terrorist Attack If it had any punctuation I swear it would be three or four !!!!s, but it's a heading where the 'Facts' of this assertion are spelled out.

My favorite one so far(with clarifications added by me):

Failure to act will also make the private sector less willing to (break the laws of our country in order to) help in our efforts to defend the country. Without the retroactive liability protection provided in the bipartisan Senate bill, we may not be able to secure (by threats or coercion) the private sector's cooperation with our (illegal) intelligence efforts. If the House allows the PAA to expire without replacing it with the Senate bill, existing (illegal) intelligence activities may be at significant (legal) risk. This is because the PAA provides liability protection for our private sector partners assisting in current (illegal) activities, but those partners are likely to raise questions about whether the liability protection they currently enjoy expires with the PAA. Similar questions could arise regarding whether the PAA's provisions authorizing courts to compel cooperation by the private sector (to break the laws of this country) also expire with the Act. At a minimum, the private sector would become less willing to (break the laws of this country to) help our efforts to defend the country because of this uncertainty; at worst, they would cease helping us (break the law) at all. This uncertainty risks creating intelligence gaps and damaging our intelligence professionals' ability to (break the laws of this country to) protect the Nation.

HILARIOUS.

Politely rude. Briskly vague. Firmly uninformative.

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To paraphrase Glenn Greenwald: Apparently America's ability to survive as a nation hangs on telecoms having license to break the law without being sued by their customers in court.

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The Legality blog has an interesting read on just how much telecom providers like AT&T could owe their customers should the lawsuit against them for illegal wiretapping be allowed to proceed. While there are more than forty potential suits currently open against Sprint, Verizon and AT&T, AT&T's case against the EFF is the most highly visible, given it involved a 22-year former employee turned whistleblower. If the EFF case proceeds and it shows widespread violation of FISA laws, AT&T would be in some serious financial trouble:

Code provision 50 U.S.C. 1810 imposes civil liability on any person (or entity) for each violation of FISA. Victims of illegal surveillance are entitled to recover $100 for each day they were wiretapped, or actual damages over $1000, whichever is greater. Additionally, FISA provides compensation for attorney s fees and other costs of litigation. . . As you may imagine, one hundred dollars per day, per person adds up over four years. If the Hepting lawsuit is successful, AT&T could face damages of over $36,500 per claimant per year. Nearly every person with a computer or phone in the United States could be impacted.These numbers make it a little more clear why AT&T and Verizon have been spending millions in DC over the past few years in order to get legal immunity for their involvement in these programs. Congress is currently on vacation, but when they return the House will be tasked with deciding whether or not to fight, or support, these companies request for immunity as they move to renew FISA.

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Free Press wrote:
This Thursday, the House of Representatives is expected to hand phone companies a get-out-of-jail-free card for illegally turning over your private phone records to the government. I don't have to tell you how wrong this is.

We have 48 hours to stop them. Tell Rep. Lincoln Diaz-Balart that you oppose any effort to cover-up illegal spying on Americans. We will deliver the letter before Thursday's vote.

This is vital to protecting your basic right to make a phone call, send an e-mail or search the Internet without the government monitoring your activity.

After intense lobbying by AT&T, Verizon and the Bush White House, the Senate has already signed off on immunity for these companies. If the House passes the FISA bill this week, more than 40 legitimate lawsuits currently pending against phone companies will disappear before they've begun.

Americans have had their rights violated, and now Congress may pass a bill that gives us no legal remedy. When you are accused of breaking the law, you should have your day in court. Neither the phone companies nor this White House is above the law.

By signing this letter you are calling upon both your representative and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi to stand firmly beside the American public and against the destruction of the rule of law.

Don't Surrender Our Civil Liberites. Please sign the letter to Congress and then forward this to your friends. It is time for profound change in this country. It starts with our representatives standing their ground over Americans' basic liberties and the rule of law. Tell them that the era of kowtowing to the White House and corporate lobbyists is over.

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P.S. Please visit our friends at ACLU for more information about the FISA bill and spying by phone companies.

Take action on this important campaign at: http://free.convio.net/site/Advocacy?id=245

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Wired's Threat Level blog is reporting that a major wireless carrier offers the FBI direct, high-speed access to the company's voice calls, data packets and company records. A whistle-blower who worked as a network security analyst at the company in question (which the blog strongly hints is Verizon Wireless), says the company "got squirrelly" when he asked about a mysterious DS-3 line linking its most sensitive network to an unnamed third party."What I thought was alarming is how this carrier ended up essentially allowing a third party outside their organization to have unfettered access to their environment," Babak Pasdar, now CEO of New York-based Bat Blue told Threat Level. "I wanted to put some access controls around it; they vehemently denied it. And when I wanted to put some logging around it, they denied that."According to Pasdar, the line is not part of the FBI's CALEA program, which provides specific data when the carrier is presented with a warrant. Like AT&T's legal troubles, this appears to be another instance of direct government access to a communications carrier without any functional legal oversight. The news comes on the same day the FBI admitted it "improperly accessed Americans' telephone records, credit reports and Internet traffic in 2006."

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I get mad when I read about this amnesty but I did think the CCIA's letter was awesome ...

http://www.ccianet.org/artmanager/uploads/1/HouseFISAletter022908.pdf

Makes me proud to be in IT.

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The Word: AT & Treason

The always hysterical Mr. Colbert hits another one out of the park with his "The Word," segment dealing with the fear-mongering Bush administration FISA battle. It's nice to see the writers back on their game.

By using clips from classic horror movies like Silence of the Lambs, Nightmare on Elm Street and When a Stranger Calls, Colbert proves his point. The real purpose of the Protect America Act is actually to protect the Telecoms for participating in BushCo's illegal wiretapping endeavor by granting them retroactive immunity for violating our civil rights"”Our
Privacy. It all makes sense now. And don't pick up the phone!

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I actually saw a commercial this week going on about how we're at risk from the terrorist because of this bill not being passed.

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US Terror List now exceeds 900,000 names.

That's right, boys and girls. 1 in every 226 of your fellow Americans is suspected of terrorism.

The list is expected to exceed 1,000,000 names in July.

Groves giveth, and Gates taketh away.

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Hmmm ... does that Terror List include the 1 in 100 Americans already incarcerated? If not wouldn't that skew the numbers?

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US Terror List now exceeds 900,000 names.

That's right, boys and girls. 1 in every 226 of your fellow Americans is suspected of terrorism.

The list is expected to exceed 1,000,000 names in July.

Didn't the CIA estimate that there were only 25,000ish members of AQ right after 9/11? And now they're adding about that many to the list each month?

Either the terrorists have mastered multi-level marketing or that list is absolute garbage.