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Okay, I'll be honest here: I have no idea what's going on with hardware and haven't since at least four years ago.

Sure, I know how to plug-and-play with a video card or RAM, I can install a motherboard or power supply easily enough and I don't have any issues mucking about with hard drives on my system. But, God help me, I have no idea what dual core really is and the last time I looked at video cards AGP was still alive and kicking.

So in any event my computer is now old enough that it's the standard for the minimum settings on modern games if I'm lucky and I find myself with an itch to upgrade, almost no working technical knowledge, and some extra funds from a bonus at work. In addition to this my current PC is running in a fifty-pound aluminum case made housing a dual-processor Dell I got from an office on the cheap and my five year old DVD burner just died so I'm figuring the whole thing's a loss when it comes to gaming. In my mind this means either putting a lot of research into computer parts or paying someone to build a good one. Not much contest there.

So do you techies, undoubtedly better versed in hardware than myself, have any suggestions for a company that can do a good gaming desktop? I don't have any particular druthers, I'm budgeting myself at about $3000 and I'm hoping this computer will last me another three to five years before I have to go and add things. I'm not looking to max out Crysis really, just make it so I could play it if I really wanted to.

I really hope that's possible and I thank you in advance for your time.

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Well, we've got the problem pre-researched for you; we can give you a very solid build list for about $1500 that will run anything that's out now very nicely. There are other threads here in Tech, in fact, that do precisely this. For $2K to $2200, we can add a 24" LCD. For $3000, we can probably get you up to quadcore, fast memory, and a 30" LCD with an SLI graphic setup. (this is enormous overkill, btw. )

If you know exactly what and where to order, would you be interested in building it yourself, or are you sure you want to buy something predone? You won't save much money building from parts, but you get total control over choosing precisely the correct components, so I tend to think you end up with a little better machine.

The upside to buying from someone else: if something goes wrong, it's their problem, not yours.

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Most of your business will be from word of mouth.

Boogle, he wants to buy a PC, he doesn't want to start a store.

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I've got the monitor pretty well covered with my Princeton 20.1" Widescreen LCD. My other input/output devices are a bit older but serve me well enough I'm not worried about them.

Mostly it was wondering if anyone knew a reliable company that didn't completely kill me in cost. I checked with Falcon North-West since they did my first gaming computer back in... jeez, in 1998 or so. But I don't know cost well enough to say off-hand if they were charging me $200 or $700 for the privileged of not bothering to build the system, y'know? I don't have a huge problem building it if the pre-built companies are charging the upper range of that for their services I just remember the last time I tried that I spent a good three weeks sending back janky parts and trying to get everything to work right. If three hundred bucks saves me from that... probably worth my time.

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Heh. Cute.

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Hmm, well, I'm finding I don't actually know the answer to this question. I'm tempted to say that Dell would work okay, because their specs are generally fine these days, but I don't know if they've gotten over their nonstandard motherboard thing. I know they use standard ATX power supplies now, but I don't know if they use standard ATX cases or not. I don't trust HP or Gateway at all, but I think Dell, if offering standard ATX, would probably be acceptable.

FNW and Alienware are both super-premium, high-markup vendors. They offer boutique products for people with more money than sense, IMO.

As far as bad parts goes... part quality is quite high nowadays, but it's easily possible to make a mistake and blow something up, so paying to have it done could be a good idea. If it's worth a $300 premium, maybe take a shopping list to a local whitebox place and have them build something to your spec? We can help with the list part.

Oh, note: one bad part about Dell is that you have to spend an hour or two removing crapware after every OS reinstall.

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Boogle, he wants to buy a PC, he doesn't want to start a store.

Ummm sh*t.
ibuypower.com is ok as is cyberpower.com, but you have to know what you want before ordering.

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Welp, looks like my next few days off are best spent researching exactly what multiple cores actually do for me then. I know there's a kid around town who builds Pcs for a living; a bit of an ass but what geek isn't? Thanks Malor. And I'll look into those sites boogle, danka.

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I guess I have more money than sense because I bought my last rig from Falcon NW (and have been very happy with it). I looked at it this way, my hobby is playing video games, not building the machine that will let me play video games. I'm not a technical person, so the extra cash they charged saved me from pulling my hair out worrying if I flashed my mobo right or if I just rendered a $300 component into a silicon brick.

They build solid performing rigs, have great service, and use top quality components. Their OS install is squeaky clean and their restore disc saved my behind on at least one occassion.

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The weirdest thing about Falcon Northwest is that I did a comparison between their Talon and Mach V setups with the exact same hardware outside of the case, which was predetermined. The Mach V was $700 more than the Talon. I don't even know if the Talon was a good price for the parts, I just can't wrap my head around that.

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Two cores is very nice; it makes the system much more responsive. It's having two CPUs running in the system, so you can be doing something compute-intensive and still have an entire CPU available for running the UI and other programs.

Four cores is a rather unnecessary luxury for most. A few games will take advantage, but very few. However, that's where things are going, so getting quadcore now should give you some headroom later, and it's only a little more expensive.

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Well, systems have gotten a lot easier to build these days. If you can snap legos together than between, Thin_J, boogle, Malor, Legion and myself; we should be able to spec out a system through newegg. If you have issues with assembly, then go find the neighbor kid to help you out but at least give it a shot yourself.

NOTE: Game developers are writing their physics engines to the second, third and forth core of processors. That means single core systems are already about 3/4 of a dual core system.

Processor of choice is the Intel Core 2 Dou (C2D).

Multi-core processors will require more power so look for a 500W power supply unit (PSU) or better.

Video card of choice is the 512MB 8800 GT.

EDIT: Pigpen had a hell of a time with his iBuypower. The water cooling leaked ... and ... well ... you get the idea.

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Not sure if the deal is still going on, but slickdeals.net had a thread with nice DEll XPS with the Quad core cpu, 2gb ram, Vista, 320gb hard drive, 512mb 8800gt and a Blur Ray for $1k after discounts.

I priced it 3 or 4 days and sure enough $1kish after taxes.

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CEJ wrote:
Well, systems have gotten a lot easier to build these days. If you can snap legos together than between, Thin_J, boogle, Malor, Legion and myself; we should be able to spec out a system through newegg. If you have issues with assembly, then go find the neighbor kid to help you out but at least give it a shot yourself.

NOTE: Game developers are writing their physics engines to the second, third and forth core of processors. That means single core systems are already about 3/4 of a dual core system.

Processor of choice is the Intel Core 2 Dou (C2D).

Multi-core processors will require more power so look for a 500W power supply unit (PSU) or better.

Video card of choice is the 512MB 8800 GT.

EDIT: Pigpen had a hell of a time with his iBuypower. The water cooling leaked ... and ... well ... you get the idea.


First, I am honored to be included. My nerd ego is in ecstasy.
Second, solid recomendations.
Third, my first computer was a 600 dollar ibuypower when I was 14 to play HL:2. I loved it and still have the case running for my parents even after I fried through the dark art of overclocking and being a dick.

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Not sure if the deal is still going on, but slickdeals.net had a thread with nice DEll XPS with the Quad core cpu, 2gb ram, Vista, 320gb hard drive, 512mb 8800gt and a Blur Ray for $1k after discounts.

I priced it 3 or 4 days and sure enough $1kish after taxes.

That's an awesome deal.

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Third, my first computer was a 600 dollar ibuypower when I was 14 to play HL:2.

Congratulations, You've made me feel old.

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CEJ wrote:
Well, systems have gotten a lot easier to build these days. If you can snap legos together than between, Thin_J, boogle, Malor, Legion and myself; we should be able to spec out a system through newegg. If you have issues with assembly, then go find the neighbor kid to help you out but at least give it a shot yourself.

Building a PC for the first time is a cliff that any PC gamer should - needs, IMO - to jump off of, because doing so simply opens a million doors. Building a PC isn't hard, the hardest part the first time is getting over the fear that you're going to damage something. PC hardware pieces are really uncomplicated devices, as far as slapping them together goes.

You (OG_slinger) say you're not a technical person, but just as putting together a piece of furniture from IKEA doesn't require being a carpenter, physically putting together a PC doesn't require being "technical". Knowing what parts to get may require some knowledge, but as CEJ said, that part can be taken by those of us that are "technical" people.

When it gets down to it, putting the video card in the PCI-Express slot, and attaching the power button connectors to the motherboard, is the same thing as using Screws "A" with Panel "B" and connecting piece "C".

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bnpederson wrote:
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Third, my first computer was a 600 dollar ibuypower when I was 14 to play HL:2.

Congratulations, You've made me feel old.

Me too. My first computer was a Tandy 425 SX back in 1991, and I think of that as being late to the party. Amazingly, Radio Shack still has a page of support documents for it as well as all the old Tandys.

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bnpederson wrote:
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Third, my first computer was a 600 dollar ibuypower when I was 14 to play HL:2.

Congratulations, You've made me feel old.

This wasn't the first game or computer I used, but it was the first that I bought.
That pos was a lot of lawns.
This almost compels me to make a post about my gaming...back to your technical discussions, I have literary work to be done.

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This wasn't the first game or computer I used, but it was the first that I bought.

It doesn't change the part about being 14 when Half-Life 2 released. When I was 14, PC games were still played in DOS.

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I've built so many PC's I've gotten them down to about 30 min. from boxes to ready to load OS. Some of the newer cases make it even easier to build a PC than before.. the parts literly slide in almost.

At this point the "hardest" part of a PC install is getting those stupid leads plugged in on your motherboard from you case for the Power Switch etc.. and even ASUS now bundles a litle doo-dad which makes that simpler.

Aint nothing new about the world order..it's been playing since the day they put George Washington on a quarter

85's face the truth you're too dumb.

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I think the chanciest part is socketing the CPU. The pins in the motherboard socket are incredibly fragile, and it takes a delicate touch to seat it properly. You can also screw up the heatsink compound... you put a tiny amount on, enough to be just barely visible across the whole top of the chip. You're filling microscopic pores in the metal. Whenever possible, you want metal -> metal contact on the heatsink. Putting too much gunk in there will significantly impair your heat transfer capability. It shouldn't be peanut butter, it should be the thinnest film you can manage.

Mounting the motherboard in the case can also be troublesome. You have to be very careful to get exactly the posts you need and no more... if you put a post in that doesn't match a motherboard hole, you can short something out. This part isn't actually DIFFICULT, but it takes careful attention.

After that, it is indeed mostly like Legos or an Ikea chair.

You know, honestly, with that $1K Dell, you might want to just buy that and be done with it. Bank your other budgeted $2K and use it for a whole new $1K computer in two years, and then another one two years after that.

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Thin_J wrote:
trip1eX wrote:
Not sure if the deal is still going on, but slickdeals.net had a thread with nice DEll XPS with the Quad core cpu, 2gb ram, Vista, 320gb hard drive, 512mb 8800gt and a Blur Ray for $1k after discounts.

I priced it 3 or 4 days and sure enough $1kish after taxes.

That's an awesome deal.

And here it is:

http://slickdeals.net/?permadeal=11339

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Tyrian wrote:
Thin_J wrote:
trip1eX wrote:
Not sure if the deal is still going on, but slickdeals.net had a thread with nice DEll XPS with the Quad core cpu, 2gb ram, Vista, 320gb hard drive, 512mb 8800gt and a Blur Ray for $1k after discounts.

I priced it 3 or 4 days and sure enough $1kish after taxes.

That's an awesome deal.

And here it is:

http://slickdeals.net/?permadeal=11339

Thank you.

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You know, honestly, with that $1K Dell, you might want to just buy that and be done with it. Bank your other budgeted $2K and use it for a whole new $1K computer in two years, and then another one two years after that.

Y'know, I think you might be right. Sure I won't be able to play Crysis at max details, but I'll be able to play Crysis. My brother buys a lot from Dell, I'll see if he has any knowledge of how they're setup works. Assuming it's a standard case/mobo/etc though... yeah, thousand down now and save up the rest for a rainy day.

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Y'know, I think you might be right. Sure I won't be able to play Crysis at max details, but I'll be able to play Crysis.

I think that with those specs, he should be able to play Crysis on everything high? Note that the page specs out 3GB, not 2Gb as stated originally! I am tempted now, too.

BTW the slickdeals.com page sez the price is quoted through EPP (Employee Purchase Program). This is a kind of a corporate discount (typically 10-15%) which Dell extends to the employees of the big companies it has a relationship with, or simply to big companies. It is interesting that they're giving it now to anyone. Sort of like "Ford employee pricing" for everyone. Things must not be going very well at Dell.

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At this point the "hardest" part of a PC install is getting those stupid leads plugged in on your motherboard from you case for the Power Switch etc.. and even ASUS now bundles a litle doo-dad which makes that simpler.

Truer words have never been spoken. This step is literally the; (1) guess and take a shot, (2) test, (3) Curse and go back to step 1.

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Gorilla.800.lbs wrote:
BTW the slickdeals.com page sez the price is quoted through EPP (Employee Purchase Program). This is a kind of a corporate discount (typically 10-15%) which Dell extends to the employees of the big companies it has a relationship with, or simply to big companies. It is interesting that they're giving it now to anyone. Sort of like "Ford employee pricing" for everyone. Things must not be going very well at Dell.

After futzing with the system... they aren't. Signing up for it seems to require a company name and employee number to access it, so unless you're lucky enough to work with a MPP company no dice on the 10% discount.

That said it might be good enough even without that, only around a hundred bucks or so more. I'm looking into it via dell's main site.

UPDATE: Yeah, after talking with a service rep the coupon is only available though EPP, which I certainly don't have. That said the initial $500 off is still there. So if I go with my credit card (skipping the suggested Dell Preferred Account because I don't like giving out my SSN willy-nilly) and just base discounts it comes to $1,216.51 total. At a guess that still seems like a pretty good deal, if not as good as the slickdeals one. Anyone?

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Build. LGA 775 sockets are nothing to be afraid of.

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Well I went ahead and got the dell, my thanks to everyone on this thread. My brother (who works with these a lot more than me) confirmed that Dells just use standard parts so upgrading in the future shouldn't be an issue. And it's certainly a better price than others I compared it to.

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In my case it isn't so much fear as laziness. I know I can build a PC; I've built and upgraded PCs before and I don't imagine changing technology made screwing motherboards in or slotting video cards any different. That said, I... don't really want to. I like the idea of having someone to call for problems if it's within the first year, of not needing to insert Socket A into Slot D and avoiding opening a large number of boxes coming in the post.

So if/when this needs an upgrade I'll probably build my own. In my mind it's fine if I already have a case, power supply, optical drive, and so forth. But when the whole thing's a loss, like my current computer, buying everything just appeals to the lazy gamer in me.

Now to go see if Crysis is available via download and if The Witcher has patches for the American version. Again, thanks to everyone.

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Now to go see if Crysis is available via download and if The Witcher has patches for the American version. Again, thanks to everyone.

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