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So at 29 years old I'm finally working at a job I like, with people I like, doing what I always wanted to do, and being proficient in it. (After working more or less miserable in entry-level jobs.) It looks like I'm set to do this for the foreseeable future, the company is extremely safe (no layoffs... ever) and of adequate size and I'm working on a world-class brand. If I should ever want, I can most likely move anywhere within Europe within the company. My income's come up by a third in a year. In short, life's pretty sweet.

And now I'm offered a chance to work at a videogame company instead. Some years ago I was both desperate to leave my then-job and had spotted a spot in the videogame industry that was a fit for me (associate producer). We negotiated, things were looking good, but ultimately it didn't come to pass. For some time I looked for similar openings, but then decided to concentrate on my "real" career and shortly thereafter landed this job. Now they've returned to me and wish to open talks again.

I'm so happy doing what I'm doing now that for a moment I actually considered what I should do. Then I obviously decided to see it through. Come on, it's videogames. But man! I'm torn here, just because I've invested so much of myself in this job.

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I'd look at the whole picture, not just the excitement of a new and shiny job. The environment and people and benefits count for as much or more as the salary.

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Look at it in terms of happiness:money ratio. Only you can figure out what the ratio is for you.

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If you're that happy at the current job then why leave?

Just curious.

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I can only think of one company in Finndland which would fit the characteristics described -- Nokia. And only one potential Suomi videogame outfit to think of -- Remedy.

Either it's an awfully small place, or my horizons are too narrow, Satana perkele!

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I'm not really able to cut down on my income, so that wouldn't be an issue - if they can't offer the same, I have to take a pass. I'm pretty sure that I would be very happy working in videogames - I've met several of the guys there and they're very cool... but then again, as I haven't tried it yet, it would be a risk. I know I'm good in what I'm doing now. Seeing that they actually got back to me, I must've made an impression the last time around, so I would probably have a good chance of landing this now. Augh. Anyway, I already accepted a meeting, so we'll see how it goes.

The last time I went through this, I had to decide to let videogames go as a career, I was so torn. It's a weird feeling, having to re-open that door. At the same time it's something I really want.

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jlaakso wrote:
I'm working at a job I like, with people I like, doing what I always wanted to do, and being proficient in it. ... In short, life's pretty sweet.

And you're looking at leaving why? There will always be other things to do, and other things that will make you happy, but it seems kinda moronic to leave a good thing that you like and is stable and is actually in your hands to try something that you might like as well as what you're doing now.

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Thin_J, I'm just so into games. If I was any younger, I'd be dead-set on games as a career. But my current skillset is in marketing and the only job which fits me in the game industry is producing. And as Gorilla said, there aren't that many openings in Finland - although more than Remedy, certainly.

Gorilla: oh, Nokia's shed some jobs over its time. I'm currently working with a global company, not headquartered in Finland.

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Chumpy's pretty much finished off my thoughts, thought I wouldn't go nearly as far as saying it's moronic. It's just that it sounds like your life's already in a spot that most people only dream of.

I just can't imagine messing with that.

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Gorilla.800.lbs wrote:
And only one potential Suomi videogame outfit to think of -- Remedy.

Isn't Pandemic (Mercenaries) and DICE (Battlefield) over there? I know for a fact I/O (Hitman and Freedom Fighters) is there too.

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Edwin wrote:

Isn't Pandemic (Mercenaries) and DICE (Battlefield) over there? I know for a fact I/O (Hitman and Freedom Fighters) is there too.

DICE is Swedish.

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Close enough.

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Stick with the happy job. Happy is rare and valuable.

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Yeah the videogame industry goes boom/bust so if your happy at a stable job I would stick at it. I use to work at Sony interactive and they dropped staff (producers, QA, Dev's etc) like nothing every now and then. I have landed ar nice job with a HUGE stable company and even if I have to "work" instead of play games and such I am much happier.

Pick Stablity over fun factor anyday.


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Stay where you are. You have happy and enjoyable and well-paid. Not many people manage to get that working for them.

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Find out if you can do any informational interviews to learn a little bit more about what you would be doing in the games industry, without having to commit.

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Being an AP means you're around games being made, but the designing and implementation is being done by those around you. The work can be difficult, and has a lot more to do with excell then gaming. Sometimes producers do have active roles in the actual design side of development, but that's not very common, and even less so with APs. It can be a very demanding job, and you'll most likely spend 99% of your time working on scheduling, dealing with vendors, outsourcing houses, QA departments internal and external, tracking progress, managing resources, and generally doing tons of monotonous office management type tasks. I have immense respect for the guys who do it, and I don't think I could ever do it without going insane.

See what they have to say, but it might not be nearly as much fun as you expect.

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Wow, it's not often an opportunity like that comes up and if you were younger or just starting your career (like after a university course or something) i would say take it. If i were you though, i'd probably stick with the comfortable job.

HOWEVER(!), sometimes in life you have to lead with your heart and if you feel that the job is perfect for you and you're willing to give it 110% then go for it. On the flipside of the coin, now's the perfect time in your life to try something like this - you have skillsets and are of a maturity that is looked for in many industries, even if this games gig washes you up in a year or two you will still be able to get back into the rest of the rat race jobs out there with no problems.

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There's something to be said about keeping work and play separate. I wouldn't want to take something that I enjoy and start burdening it with deadlines and budgets and other business pressures.

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Edwin wrote:
Gorilla.800.lbs wrote:
And only one potential Suomi videogame outfit to think of -- Remedy.

Isn't Pandemic (Mercenaries) and DICE (Battlefield) over there? I know for a fact I/O (Hitman and Freedom Fighters) is there too.

Pandemic's based out of Los Angeles, CA and Brisbane, AU.

Oh, and IO Interactive is a Danish company.

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a good job with people you like and financial rewards is hard to beat.

However, it sounds like you're being tugged in the direction of the videogame job because its more a dream than an ambition. I realize I'm putting words in your mouth, but you keep refuting the facts of your great situation now by saying, "yeah, but its VIDEOGAMES." I'd be loath to give anyone the advice of passing on a dream. I agree with Duoae above (second time in as many threads): you're of an age where taking a chance is actually pretty safe. If you take pains to burn no bridges, you could always try out your dream job, and if its not what you want, talk to the company you're with now, or something similar with another company. The reality is, that while jobs like you're in now aren't common, they aren't once-in-a-lifetime things, either.

Of course, Yellow5 makes the job sound pretty unappealing from a gamer's standpoint, and he's the only one who's offered such details. Obviously look long and hard at what you'd be doing; maybe even shadow for a few days while taking vacation from your current job?

Taking chances like this only get harder as you get older. I say follow the dream, or you'll regret it for a very long time.

If its not, in fact, a dream, then I'd side with the "keep the good thing you have" contingent.

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dhelor wrote:
Edwin wrote:
Gorilla.800.lbs wrote:
And only one potential Suomi videogame outfit to think of -- Remedy.

Isn't Pandemic (Mercenaries) and DICE (Battlefield) over there? I know for a fact I/O (Hitman and Freedom Fighters) is there too.

Pandemic's based out of Los Angeles, CA and Brisbane, AU.

Oh, and IO Interactive is a Danish company.


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I know a lot of people working in the game industry. It seems overrated IMHO. Like someone else said, the people/environment you work in is more important.

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Our latest podcast with Sephirotic might be helpful in making your decision. He talks about working in the gaming industry and some of the misconceptions.

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Believe it or not, the lead designer is not the guy that gets to dream up video game ideas all day. The lead designer's primary job is a managing the other designers and scheduling.

The producer is the job that has the traits that most people want when they say,"I want to make video games!" The producer controls the purse strings and is the one that arranges the interviews and previews with the press. If anything, the job has the clout to be as rockstar as you want to be.

Hence, associate producers are very sought after jobs because if you latch yourself onto a AAA title as AP then you can be sure that many producer jobs will open up to you. If you arent on a AAA title then with a few positive buzz titles as an AP will qualify you for an AP roll on a AAA title.

I just wanted to let you know that associate producer in most cases is a very big deal and hard opportunity to come by in the video game biz.

That being said, I would stick with your current job due to the volatility of the video game industry and the low pay for lots of hard work ahead of you there.

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If it were me I'd definitely stick to the rewarding job, then come home after work and play games. Short of being a creative director, I can see no reason why working at a gaming company could offer anything better than what you already have.

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Once when I explained this to some woman at work she actually rolled her eyes and said "Same thing." I wanted to slap her. Lots.

Instead I started misspelling "Demeris" as "Dumarris" every time I put her name on something.

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I used to think I wanted to get a job in the game industry, but I've realized that it's the playing of games that I love, not so much the working to creating them. That's not to say I wouldn't take a job making them, but if I were in a job like the one you currently have, I'd probably stay where I was.

If you can swing it so that you could come back to your current job if things don't work out, or if you think it's worth it even if you can't, I say follow your dream. You only live once and all that jazz.

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fangblackbone wrote:
...thoughts on the producer role...

The producer role varies a lot from studio to studio: it's good to gauge what it would be like at the studio you're talking with. Some producers are the public face, some are very much behind the scenes. If your goal is to be the guy getting interviewed or presenting at trade shows, then it's not a bad path to go down. If you're interested in design, it's probably not the best, although a foot in the door is better then none.

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