Sometimes, When You're Talking About Golf, You End Up Talking About Race

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Last Friday, Kelly Tilghman, a Golf Channel anchor made what we'll call a minor faux pas announcing the Mercedes-Benz Championship.

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...said while discussing Tiger Woods' dominance that young players on the PGA Tour should "lynch him in a back alley,"

Whoops! Heh-heh. That is a doozy right there ladies and gentlemen.

Now, as poor a choice as that may have been, it's wasn't as poor a choice as reading the ESPN.com message boards about said subject.

There's some real good, choice crazy in there.

Either way, it made my head hurt and I despair for humanity. I just wanted to share this because just Holy God.

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This reminds me of the joke that folks in the South can't stomach the idea of a black man making a living smacking around little white balls.

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Was that really necessary, Paleo?

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Was that really necessary, Paleo?

Nah, but kinda funny.

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Paleocon wrote:
This reminds me of the joke that folks in the South can't stomach the idea of a black man making a living smacking around little white balls.

I'm not sure I can either. Folks gotta eat though.

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Well, it IS funny.

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It's a good thing that Tiger came on the scene, because we were running out of racist jokes involving golf. There really aren't that many places you can go with "country clubs don't admit minorities or poor people."

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It's a good thing that Tiger came on the scene, because we were running out of racist jokes involving golf. There really aren't that many places you can go with "country clubs don't admit minorities or poor people."

Reminds me of when Peter Griffin's great-great-great-grandfather invented golf.

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Never fear, Al Sharpton is here!

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Broadcaster Kelly Tilghman has apologized. Tiger Woods has accepted it. But the Rev. Al Sharpton says it isn't good enough.

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Even though its a banned phrase, all I can say is 'meh."

According to some reports, Tiger and Kelly are friends and that he doesn't think there's any reason for anyone to get their panties in a bunch.

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Woods' agent released a statement saying, "This story is a non-issue. Tiger and Kelly are friends and Tiger has a great deal of respect for Kelly. Regardless of the choice of words used, we know unequivocally that there was no ill intent in her comments. This story is a non-issue in our eyes."

This strikes me as something like ADL's recent hubaloo about Will Smith.

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I won't accept her apology until she does a photo shoot for Maxim, FHM, or Playboy. Then everything will be square in my eyes.

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I find it very difficult to care about what happens on the Golf Channel. It's those crackers at the Home Shoping Network whose asses I want to kick.

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This is just more Al Sharpton b.s. Tiger stated that he knows Kelly, is friends with Kelly, and isn't concerned about the remark. This is in stark contrast to his reaction to Fuzzy Zoeller's racist speculations ten years ago about whether Tiger would serve greens and barbecue at the Masters' dinner. So if Tiger doesn't care, I don't see why anyone else should. Focusing on this sort of thing only creates indifference when incidents of real racism/sexism/anyism occur.

As an aside, Tiger identifies himself as Cablanasian, which is Tiger-speak for someone whose ancestors are a mix of white, black, and Asian. Al Sharpton's comments on the issue indicate that the use of "lynch" is offensive in this context specifically because it was made in reference to an African American, which creates another rather large hole in Sharpton's logic, not that anyone has seriously tried to prop him up on logic grounds since Tawana Brawley.

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I find it very difficult to care about what happens on the Golf Channel. It's those crackers at the Home Shoping Network whose asses I want to kick.

You're just pissed you didn't move fast enough on the cubic zirconium c*ck ring.

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Funkenpants wrote:
It's those crackers at the Home Shoping Network whose asses I want to kick.

Don't worry, they get theirs sometimes.

Quite often, actually.

And sometimes, they just get embarassed by their hilarious guests.

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Okay, I have to ask because i'm curious, and I know that any discussion of race never goes anywhere good once the name "Al Sharpton" is mentioned. And i'm not saying that she should be drawn and quartered. From everything i've read, she understands what it meant, profusely apologized, didn't mean any harm, and we can move on.

But every time I see it being derided as a "non-issue", I quirk an eyebrow. Like I said, i'm not calling for her head, and maybe it's all the Negro in me, but can we all agree that it was an astonishingly bad choice of words? Or am I part of "The PC Police" now?

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Horrible choice of words. The word is pretty much out of my vocabulary because of what it automatically implies to me really.

When you compare: "They should hang him." to "They should lynch him." it just sounds much race related because of its history to me.

Its in poor taste no matter what really though. Implying that they should even injure him because hes so dominant is really not that funny to begin with. Sending him hookers and coke the night before in my opinion is much more funny... and would of probably got her in as much or more trouble as a comment. Go figure.

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I won't accept her apology until she does a photo shoot for Maxim, FHM, or Playboy. Then everything will be square in my eyes.

That's kind of your platform for everything.

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Imus was fired for calling the basketball players nappy headed ho's (or hos, or whatever). He didn't suggest the benchwarmers rise up and lynch the starters. However, Imus did it on syndication and MSNBC, this dumby said it on the Golf Channel. The what channel?

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dhelor wrote:
Don't worry, they get theirs sometimes.

Oh, man. Great videos. I love the salesman collapsing on the ladder. His spine bends backwards like a preztel, but he doesn't miss a beat and keeps going with the sales pitch.

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But every time I see it being derided as a "non-issue", I quirk an eyebrow.

I didn't see it as a non-issue. Bad choice of words, but when the apologies come immediately and Tiger says he knows her (wink, wink, nudge, nudge) and doesn't see a problem, there's not much further to go.

Here's another odd case where tiger popped up. I'm watching CNBC one morning before the NH primary, and John Harwood is talking about how well Obama is doing in the polls. He says something like, "Right now, Obama is playing a terrific game. He's up there operating at a Michael Jordan or Tiger Woods level."

I hear that, and I'm wondering, "Did he pick them only because they are two of the most dominating athletes in their sports, or because they, too, are black?" Maybe people make these subconscious associations even in positive contexts.

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That's kind of your platform for everything.

It's worked well in the swing states.

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That's kind of your platform for everything.

It's worked well in the swing states.

Somebody call the PUNisher....

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Prederick wrote:
Okay, I have to ask because i'm curious, and I know that any discussion of race never goes anywhere good once the name "Al Sharpton" is mentioned. And i'm not saying that she should be drawn and quartered. From everything i've read, she understands what it meant, profusely apologized, didn't mean any harm, and we can move on.

But every time I see it being derided as a "non-issue", I quirk an eyebrow. Like I said, i'm not calling for her head, and maybe it's all the Negro in me, but can we all agree that it was an astonishingly bad choice of words? Or am I part of "The PC Police" now?

You're not part of the PC police. It's a stupid choice of words, and one that she should take some heat for, especially as a journalist. But, given her apology and Tiger's acceptance of the apology, it's not an appropriate basis for a national hue and cry against the journalist or The Golf Channel or anybody else. Making it one blunts the public's sense of outrage when more severe discrimination occurs.

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When exactly did lynch become associated with color? Maybe its my Minnesotan upbringing, but I've never thought of a lynching to be specifically aimed at black people, just someone whom the "group" dislikes for whatever reason.

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Since forever. Or at least since the 20th century. The word has roots in the 1820s, according to the dictionary, but when you use the word in the context of a statement regarding a black man, the reference is going to be taken to people killing someone for his race.

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Nosferatu wrote:
When exactly did lynch become associated with color? Maybe its my Minnesotan upbringing, but I've never thought of a lynching to be specifically aimed at black people, just someone whom the "group" dislikes for whatever reason.

Since the Civil War is my guess. It's a real shame the racists took a perfectly innocent word for brutal vigilante justice and tainted it with racial undertones.

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Funkenpants wrote:
Since forever. Or at least since the 20th century. The word has roots in the 1820s, according to the dictionary, but when you use the word in the context of a statement regarding a black man, the reference is going to be taken to people killing someone for his race.

You're making my head hurt. Apparently I went to the wrong sort of schools, because we were taught that words meant things in and of themselves. Any other verbs I should know that mean different things depending upon the genetic variations of the object of the sentence? I'd hate to accidentally ask "how are you?" to a Pollock and find out that I told him I was going to rape his sister or something.

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Nosferatu wrote:
When exactly did lynch become associated with color? Maybe its my Minnesotan upbringing, but I've never thought of a lynching to be specifically aimed at black people, just someone whom the "group" dislikes for whatever reason.
Since the Civil War is my guess. It's a real shame the racists took a perfectly innocent word for brutal vigilante justice and tainted it with racial undertones.
Please be advised that sarcasm and snark should only be attempted by professionals, kids do not try this at home.

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You're making my head hurt. Apparently I went to the wrong sort of schools, because we were taught that words meant things in and of themselves.

The meaning of verb can't change with context? Then how come when I tell people I'm banging lots of chicks, they don't assume I'm sleeping with poultry?

Why do people not think I'm gay when I say something like, "Christ, that asshole just totally screwed me"?

Why am I not surprised that my refrigerator is running, even though it doesn't have any legs?

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Nos, the word you want is "[url=http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=connotation&db=*]connotation[/url]".

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Nosferatu wrote:
You're making my head hurt. Apparently I went to the wrong sort of schools, because we were taught that words meant things in and of themselves.

The meaning of verb can't change with context? Then how come when I tell people I'm banging lots of chicks, they don't assume I'm sleeping with poultry?

Why do people not think I'm gay when I say something like, "Christ, that asshole just totally screwed me"?

Why am I not surprised that my refrigerator is running, even though it doesn't have any legs?


I'm not even going to point out that the first example you gave wasn't of a verb...
I find it interesting that you assign a gender specific reference to the word "asshole"
The problem is the act is the same in both ways the verb was used. If I ask one of my friends if we should go get some KFC, and he happens to be black, does that make my question racist somehow? But if I asked a Japanese person the same question it wouldn't be?
As I said in my mind the term "lynch" doesn't conjure pictures of guys in hoods and blacks hanging from trees, but of a mob killing (usually by hanging) someone in an act of vigilantism.

If the term is inherently loaded is the statement :" it is a high-tech lynching for uppity blacks who in any way deign to think for themselves, to do for themselves, to have different ideas, and it is a message that unless you kowtow to an old order, this is what will happen to you. You will be lynched, destroyed, caricatured by a committee of the U.S. Senate rather than hung from a tree." inherently considered racist as well?

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Quintin_Stone wrote:
Nos, the word you want is "[url=http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=connotation&db=*]connotation[/url]".
The only question I asked for a word related item was an inquiry "Any other verbs I should know that mean different things depending upon the genetic variations of the object of the sentence?", to which the response "connotiation" is not a potentially correct response because it is a noun. But while we're on the dictionary kick Lynch, no mention of color is indicated in any of the definitions.

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