The Effect of Borrowing Mass
Saturday, January 5th, 2008 - 7:28am
As I am certain everyone has already noticed Bioware has taken quite I few liberties with the plastic love-dolls of the Sci-Fi genre. I figure I'd list what I noticed so far as it pertains to perhaps some "borrowed" themes and ideas.
Music:
Vangelas-esc beginning (Bladerunner)
Cinematic of Mako being dropped...etc:
Firefly (Oh Lord do I miss that Companion)
The Mako itself:
Anyone remember that cheap plastic toy?
The Asari:
Twi'leks from Star Wars
I'm sure I'd remember more if I had the game handy but I'm sure you guys noticed a few more things besides the Matron Binezia's great blue bosom. Thank the lord Bioware ripped enough off to get every geek squealing.
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Actually, I see a lot of Tolkien's elves in the Asari, and dwarves in the Krogan. At the same time there's a bit of Trek in there, since the Volus are quite Ferengi-like, and the Krogan (they say this on the extra DVD) are quite Klingon-like. You can see the influence of the Shadow ships from Babylon 5 in Sovereign.
At the same time Farscape could be seen to be an influence, with Delvians->Asari, Luxans->Krogans, Hynerians->Volus.
The Shaky cam was very Firelfy-esque, certainly.
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The geth obviously from Lucas' vision of the robots in Episode 1-3. (Are we even recognizing this series though?) Thank the Gods there isn't a Jar-Jar...yet.
"Angels are not nice."
I think the situation involving humanity emerging on the galactic stage parallels Star Trek: Enterprise in some respects, with Shepard taking on an angry Captain Archer-like resentment towards Earth's alien allies, if you choose to play him or her like that.
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How about John Shepherd... main character, the name was stolen from Major John Shepherd from Stargate Atlantis.
Mass Relay, obviously idea was taken from Cowboy Bebop "Hyperspace Gateways"
Rachni... Ender's Game anyone?
Sigh...
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I don't think the name was stolen from Stargate Atlantis. They're both a tribute to Alan Shepard, the first American in space. There are probably plenty of sci-fi authors who have characters with that name. It sounds spacey and heroic.
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Don't forget Lost also has a John "Jack" Shepard.
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Do you mean the the Big Trak? I thought it looked way too similar to be an accident.
I know... I was just trying to sound overly dramatic.
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Remember that South Park episode where Butters is pissed off because the Simpsons took every one of his ideas before he could do them? Yeah.. not to give Mass Effect a pass or anything, but I imagine it's pretty difficult to come up with something really unique in an 80 year old genre.
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Seeing as they were trying to give Mass Effect the feel of an 80's SciFi movie, I don't find it surprising it has parallels to other SciFi sources.
Personally, I found the Battlestar Galactica influence rather heavy.
Off topic, to which Gods do you refer, Zoxos? Just curious.
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How so? Star Wars' robots are completely subservient, do not evolve, and look mechanical. The Geth are free to do what they want, evolve, and look organic. They're practically another organic race.
Also, I wouldn't attribute hyperspace gateways to Cowboy Bebop, which was borrowing that idea from the scifi bag of tricks just like Mass Effect. The interaction with the Rachni does parallel Ender's Game pretty significantly, though. Not sure if that was the first instance of questioning Xenocide, but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt on it.
In all, I like the world the patched together so much because 90 percent of the time they only nabbed the more plausible of concepts. The main conflict may seem similiar to Battlestar Galactica, but they don't run with the completely silly aspect of human-looking robots. Humanity's emergence into the bigger pond smelled a lot like the Federation, but space warfare didn't mimic galleons firing cannons at each other. I like the rather minimum distension of belief required to get into the story due to the wise selection of scifi elements, minus the Reapers which are.
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Whilst they've followed some standard fantasy genre tropes (the beautiful spiritual race, the ugly brutish race) they do have plenty of elements which are not recognizable Campbellian archetypes. It's hard to pigeonhole the Turians or Salarians particularly. And whilst the Citadel and the big twist are just story elements designed to allow the Reapers (a powerful but not impossibly powerful enemy) to plausibly wipe out civilization every 50,000 years, there is a lot of other bits in there which give the mythos flavour without seeming clunky. But I really feel that they've created an interesting universe which I want to see more stories from. If they have constructed an outline story for a trilogy of games I imagine we'll see some really cool stuff in the future, presumably culminating with a great big battle between lots of Reapers and a Galactic fleet
Do we ever see a Batarian in Mass Effect? They played such a big part in the prequel novel that I expected them to be more common in the universe.
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They were mentioned quite a bit in the back story in the codex (and in the story Anderson tells about his past with Saren), but no, I don't believe we ever actually saw one during the course of the game.
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The Salarians are poindexters, and I thought the Turians were just exaggerations of humans' strengths and faults. Can't really think of another source that has embodied those traits into an alien race before.
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I think the tough thing about sci-fi is that to make an alien race that humans - reader or character - can relate to is both necessary and limiting. Sentient alien races in sci-fi that are capable of interacting with humans on some level limits them in all the same ways that we are limited: tangibility, mortality, comparable perception of time, etc. To write up a species that corresponds to these parameters makes the race in essence very similar to humanity, with only surface details different. It's incredibly difficult to stray from these guidelines, and sometimes, it's fine not to.
The aliens in Mass Effect were all basically human characters with different bodies, but it didn't make it a bad game, or a trite game. It was familiar sci-fi elements and premises, arranged in such a way to make the setting interesting, if not always fresh. I think of it like Game Design Feng Shui.
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So what you guys are saying is...bioware took some of the coolest things from some of the most highly influential pieces of work to the sci-fi genre rolled it all into a ball and used it for the framework for a really good next gen title? You should write a letter of thanks to them right now for such an awesome xmas present = P.
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I have to go with Crash on this. The entire genre is intermingled weaving in and out of multiple tales. Fantasy RPG are all going to go back to the golden oldies in one form or another. It's that familiarity to Tolken or any other influential fantasy writer, not to mention some old pen and paper D&D, which fuel these stories. Like creatureparade said it really is like the 'Simpsons effect'.
Bioware should be recognized more for the work they put into Mass Effect that makes it stand alone than what they borrowed from the masters. What they take from other sources has been ingrained in us as what is Sci FI/Fantasy. So much so I would say that future projects would be hard pressed to exclude many of these elements being that they somewhat make the genre.
And the Asari as Twi'leks, you sort of have to reach for that one.
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They're blue and they've got little tentacle things instead of hair. What more do you want?
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That would be the Krogans. The Turians weren't anything like Klingons.
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I really loved the game, and if the 360 didn't just get destroyed by the damn moon sand, I'd have finished it. I've always believed that 'more of the same' isn't necessarily a bad thing, and if it's more of the same done right, it's a very good thing. That's what struck me about Mass Effect all the way through. It was familiar elements arranged in a way that made it feel fresh, and with a level of polish that made the game feel fairly seamless. The codex entries fleshing out the back story was a nice touch, if only for making the universe feel fuller.
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I love this game. It is a genre geeks dream. I would however much prefer playing a brooding cop with a huge gun hunting andriods for a living...but call me picky.
I think it is essential to point out where these great ideas may have come for some trivial fun. Besides how many people actually know what a Mattel Big Track looked like? (Thank you Satya)
You can't expect a group of huge geeks like those working at Bioware to conceptualize a game containing all the worlds sci-fi greatness without them borrowing from past graphical, social, and technical masters of the genre. John Shepard was a perfect name for the main character, John Glen would've been too obvious....or is John Shepard just a mix of the two?
Twi'leks... anyone get that twi'lek dancer to pay you all her hard earned dancing money in KOTORII? Now damned if I couldn't do that with Liara and Tia.
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I think you're stretching.
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I am wondering if anyone has anything to add to this topic.
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