Wow, just wow. Clemens, Tejada, Pettite , Gagne...the list goes on and one. And the details the reports provide along with the images of checks is just really damning.

I'm no big Clemens fan, but I don't think Clemens is a media darling by any stretch of the imagination, I just think Bonds having broken the HR records put him in the crosshairs.

Barry Bonds is also mentioned (shocked, I am). I wonder how this will affect his upcoming trial.

Most of the hard evidence is against Clemens and Pettitte; the rest is pretty much hearsay, rumors, and the checks, which in of themselves don't prove consumption (see the Lo Duca/Gagne angle). Without linking every name mentioned in the report to a positive drug test, it really doesn't prove anything. This thing stinks of the Salem Witch Trials or McCarthyism.

You know the one name that isn't in there in connection to what management and ownership knew? The name of the man who owned the team that was Grand Central station for steroids use in the 90s, the team Jose Canseco allegedly introduced the likes of Rafael Palmiero and Sammy Sosa to the great steroid gravy train? Oh, you can find this person's name when discussing the impetus and inspiration for this investigation, but not about what he did or didn't know about steroids in his former capacity as a baseball owner. Who's that, you ask? None other than George W. Bush, the man who sat on top of a mountain of syringes when he ran the Texas Rangers. This just lends more credence to my theory that there's a whitewash going on; to possibly expunge the president from any culpability in the steroids era and pin it on the likes of the management of the Mets and Giants. At the risk of dragging this thread to the hometown of the Indians ball club, I'm frankly not surprised.

Your facts are in error. Sosa broke in with the Rangers in 1989; he was traded in 1992. I concede I was wrong on their stints in Texas overlapping, but I hold firm to my belief that the absence of any mention of Bush's tenure in Texas while the steroids era was at it's height is suspicious.

For those who don't want to actually comb through the report: Player names, list style

Easily the most shocking part of this are the allegations that John Rocker and Jose Canseco know how to use the Internet.

Regarding the list, my biggest problem with it is that for every one person listed on it, there are probably 25 more not. So, unless they are going to be really thorough, and search out everyone, why list the ones here?

I feel pretty vindicated as a Sox fan.

Is there a reason reason Sosa and McGwire aren't on there? I only caught half the story in the paper.

so if you are listed, you are an user. if you aren't listed, it doesn't mean you are not a user.
even if you tested negative, it doesn't mean you aren't using (according to Mitchell in his press conference yesterday).

so does that pretty much cover everyone in the Majors then? and there's really no way to prove your innocence.

edit: i suppose you could prove your innocence by being a really awful ball player.

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This quote pretty much sums it up for me

On the Los Angeles Times' Web site, one reader wrote, "I could care less about fair play as long as these overpaid athletes entertain me."

I'm not surprised, not shocked, most athletes have long since lost any role model appeal, so they are entertainers at this point and thats about it.

It would be nice if they didnt use the roids, but when the industry they are in has looked the other way for so long and the fans demanded more, i dont think anyone should be surprised.

Its funny, you can take away someones gold medal for using roids, but you cant take away an endorsement deal or make them pay you back the $100 million salary.

ok, back to my regular saturday wow playing.

The fact that players are juicing isn't surprising; I just cant believe that it had to come to this for this problem to get noticed. I think it will be next to impossible to punish those involved, so baseball just needs to move on and put some money into finding an HGH test.

No one has posted this it seems, but via Yahoo, Andy Pettite admits to taking HGH in 2002.

As I understand it, HGH promotes healing more than growth. But I still think it should not become an accepted practice.

yeah, i just found out my alma mater now tests for steroid use as well. it saddens me.