Looking for good GPS/Map cellphone

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Location: Lexington, KY

I'm having major trouble finding a cellphone that has builtin GPS and is good for maps and directions.

Just a bit of background, I'm trying to move away from AT&T right now as their network keeps dropping calls like crazy and their plans are overpriced (for what I want). What I really want to use my cellphone for is

1) Maps and directions with GPS (so I don't get lost)
2) Web searching to look up info on the go
3) Possibly Gmail/IM, but honestly I don't care much about this

I do not care anything about Outlook integration, and while I guess a Windows mobile device would work I don't think I like the interface.

I was looking at T-Mobile, as I hear good things about their network, but the sidekick has no maps/GPS. I also looked at the Helio Ocean, which device wise looks great, however I think Helio won't be around much longer so there's no point in signing up a 2 year contract with them.

So any input from the cellphoneiphiles in the audience? I'm not really up on this whole smartphone thing.

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Your screwed if your really serious about moving away from AT&T and going with Sprint and/or Verizon for decent GPS smartphones.

The only ones that really ever worked for me are the Nokia N95 3G version or the E90 Communicator.. the E90 is not 3G though..just EDGE.

Neither relies on Cingular for Telenav or that crap.. their GPS is independent of the Cingular/AT&T network and works really well.

The Windows Devices are brutal in terms of GPS support and interface (not to mention speed)

Good luck.. all Cell Phone carriers are pretty much the same in terms of nickel and diming you these days.. but at least with AT&T I can buy unbranded unlocked phones from Nokia and not have to worry about Carrier crippled phones.

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I have the LG Env with Verizon and it works like a charm as a smartphone/GPS device/web browser/email access, etc.. I think they just dropped the price to $56, you could probably even get it for free (subsidized) if you're switching over from a competitor.

It's a great phone, give it a test spin at a Verizon kiosk..

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I'm in the same boat as Pyro, but am a Verizon subscriber. Not after my contract runs out early next year, though.

Johnvanjim wrote:
I have the LG Env with Verizon and it works like a charm as a smartphone/GPS device/web browser/email access, etc.. I think they just dropped the price to $56, you could probably even get it for free (subsidized) if you're switching over from a competitor.

It's a great phone, give it a test spin at a Verizon kiosk..

I've considered that phone, but the Zack Morris form factor makes me pause.

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If it helps, any bluetooth phone can support a bt gps unit. I prefer Nokia phones and their Nokia map software (formerly smart2go), it works both as subscription and allows you to download maps to your phone in case you are going off of the cell grid. There are a bunch of free mapping software for Symbian OS phones (Nokia and some others) that work pretty well, if you prefer Garmin or TomTom, those are available for multiple phone OSes as well. (With Garmin I'm not sure that they sell the software w/o their branded bt gps unit, so check first.)

I was very happy w/ my $45 bluetooth gps unit (Holux GPSslim 236) and smart2go maps, until I got my phone replaced and the new one came with "improved" firmware that disabled smart2go and other free mapping software. For this reason and its general inferiority + expense, I *refuse* to use telenav.

Another interesting thing to check out is Google Maps. Google maps now supports GPS, either native to the phone or w/ a bluetooth receiver. I haven't tried this yet, but chances are it will be the cheapest workable solution.

Apparently there is a new s60 version of Google Maps that works better than the java applet.

A good source for bluetooth gps units

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Location: Lexington, KY

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The only ones that really ever worked for me are the Nokia N95 3G version or the E90 Communicator.. the E90 is not 3G though..just EDGE.
The problem is AT&T doesn't have 3G in my area but Verizon and Sprint both have 3G speeds. Also AT&T's network quality has taken a huge dip since the buyout and the way AT&T(SBC) runs things it's not going to get better. There's been alot of paring back of existing capacity at existing cell towers which is causing all the dropped calls.

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This is mine and I absolutely love it: http://www.htc.com/product/03-product_p3600.htm

Here are some shots of the internal GPS.

I currently use ATT/Cingular but the GPS chip does not require a provider. Plus it will work with any SIM card provider... there are a number of them.

The GPS doesnt work great in an enclosed structure but outside its fantastic. It comes w/ TomTom free and it does routes very accurately (it even has the sexy Swedish female voice too!).

The phone also has all the normal features of a smartphone and I just love it. With a MicroSD card adapter you can plug pretty much anything into it.

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The only ones that really ever worked for me are the Nokia N95 3G version or the E90 Communicator.. the E90 is not 3G though..just EDGE.
The problem is AT&T doesn't have 3G in my area but Verizon and Sprint both have 3G speeds. Also AT&T's network quality has taken a huge dip since the buyout and the way AT&T(SBC) runs things it's not going to get better. There's been alot of paring back of existing capacity at existing cell towers which is causing all the dropped calls.

Man where do you live? I've been rocking 3G almost everywhere I travel.. my Symbian Slingbox client is awesome now.. I was wowing people on the plane on Sunday when we landed pulling up the Eagles game live as we sat in the plan waiting for the doors to open.

I would say quite the reverse.. our Tower investments are doing nicely mainly from AT&T orders for increased capacity..

Dropped calls arent capacity issues.. not making a call at all is capacity.. which was a huge issue in Las Vegas for me.. that whole area needs a serious boost in the amount of towers servicing LV. You may drop calls if your swapping towers while your on the train or car and the tower you jump to is at capacity.. that will drop a call... is that what you mean?

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PyromanFO wrote:
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The only ones that really ever worked for me are the Nokia N95 3G version or the E90 Communicator.. the E90 is not 3G though..just EDGE.
The problem is AT&T doesn't have 3G in my area but Verizon and Sprint both have 3G speeds. Also AT&T's network quality has taken a huge dip since the buyout and the way AT&T(SBC) runs things it's not going to get better. There's been alot of paring back of existing capacity at existing cell towers which is causing all the dropped calls.

Man where do you live? I've been rocking 3G almost everywhere I travel.. my Symbian Slingbox client is awesome now.. I was wowing people on the plane on Sunday when we landed pulling up the Eagles game live as we sat in the plan waiting for the doors to open.

I would say quite the reverse.. our Tower investments are doing nicely mainly from AT&T orders for increased capacity..

Dropped calls arent capacity issues.. not making a call at all is capacity.. which was a huge issue in Las Vegas for me.. that whole area needs a serious boost in the amount of towers servicing LV. You may drop calls if your swapping towers while your on the train or car and the tower you jump to is at capacity.. that will drop a call... is that what you mean?

I've had both dropped calls and calls failing to be made since the buyout, I've even had calls dropped while sitting in a stationary position like at my house. I'm in Lexington KY and we still don't have 3G from AT&T for some reason, but every other carrier has it. In this neck of the woods the buyout has caused them to pair back all kinds of capacity, this is coming from the Bellsouth-now-AT&T guys disconnecting the lines. I don't know if they've just shifted priorities to other areas of the country but it's been disastrous around here, everyone I've talked to in KY has noticed serious quality issues since the switch to AT&T.

*edit* It seems I'm mistaken and AT&T does have 3G coverage here, their site is just retarded and makes this information really hard to find

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I know people in Cincinnati who have AT&T service, which supposedly covers the entire area, and occasionally they get hit with roaming charges for calls made when they were sitting in their houses.

I went through the whole "should I switch cell carriers" thing about two months ago. I asked tons of people at work and around if they liked their cellphone service and the resounding opinion was that AT&T and Sprint both suck big time in our area, and T-Mobile has some relatively large areas that are just dead all around. This doesn't even begin to account for the number of people I talked to who despise Cincinati Bell.

I ended up sticking with Verizon. I've had like three or four dropped calls in all the years I've been on the service, and every single one was to a person on another cell network.

The service is overpriced and I wish they had some cheaper plans with lower minute counts but at the moment I'm willing to pay the extra to get service that actually works.

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I have Sprint and I have a Sanyo SCP-7050, it is Sprints Mil-Spec phone. What I mean by Mil-spec is it is rated against shock and particle damage for military purposes. It has GPS capability and I have used the GPS a lot since I started the service. It is a bit pricy because of the ruggedness of the phone but I don't mind. I still work with the military even though I am no longer a soldier and I abuse it. I have dropped it from a height of 10 feet already and it bounced a few times and nothing happened to it. One thing though this phone does not have a camera, I can't have a camera phone anyway where I work so this is no big deal nor does it have the music capabilities like most phones now do as well. It is made for communicating plain and simple.

Now as far as dropped calls and such Sprint has been a power house for me. I have used Sprint for as long as I had a cell phone and I am not going to switch anytime soon. I live in a rural area in PA and occasionally I will hit a deadzone when I go into a deep valley or go around a mountain but in the past year or so I have noticed fewer and fewer deadzones. They seem to be adding towers or at the very least leasing space on the existing carriers towers in the area.

All I can really say is shop around with every carrier and pick a phone with all the stuff you want and then go for a plan that you can afford.

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Do you have the old-style CDMA AT&T network? If so, yes, that sucks, and you need a new phone. AT&T's GSM network is much, much better. (technically, it's probably not as good, but it has much better coverage.)

At one time, when they were a direct spinoff of AT&T, they had a CDMA network that was pretty good. For some reason, they decided they wanted to switch to GSM, but they tried to do it on the cheap, by converting existing towers from CDMA to GSM. This resulted in major impairment to BOTH networks, because they both needed ALL the towers... each network had only half what it needed. Subscribers were leaving in droves.... to save a few hundred million in capital costs, they ended up destroying something like, geeze, four billion in shareholder value? It was pretty messed up. So Cingular bought them. They were using GSM all the way along, and continued the rollout of more GSM towers. They maintained the existing CDMA towers in parallel. Then, the parent AT&T bought Cingular, so it's come full circle and it's AT&T Wireless again.(!) And they started dismantling the CDMA network completely and forcing everyone to GSM, but I don't think they've done it in all areas yet.

I find the GSM coverage to be pretty acceptable most places; it's quite good in the South, which was Cingular's stomping grounds. Their 2g data network sucks, but it's better than nothing, and it works pretty much everywhere. Google Maps is very fast even on very limited bandwidth; they do some amazing work with a tiny bit of data.

So, upshot: if you're still on a CDMA phone, that might be the problem. If you're on GSM, maybe you just have one that has crummy reception? On GSM, you can generally swap your SIM into other phones, so you can try a different unit to see if it really is bad coverage in your area.

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Interesting side note.. Verizon and Vodafone have agreed to stop continuing down 4G CDMA technology in the US and switch to the same 4G GSM technology the rest of the world is going down.

So EVENTUALLY Verizon's biggest negative will go away and they will be able to roam allover like the rest of us.

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TheGameguru wrote:
dump Qualcomm stock?

sh*t, I might have to short it...

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No Malor, we're all GSM. And I got a bad connection just last night, maybe it's just something in this area, I don't know.

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Well, swapping your SIM into another phone will let you prove that it's AT&T... from there, assuming it still sucks, maybe you should ask locals what they're using? I personally know very little about cellphone coverage nationwide.

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Malor wrote:
Well, swapping your SIM into another phone will let you prove that it's AT&T... from there, assuming it still sucks, maybe you should ask locals what they're using? I personally know very little about cellphone coverage nationwide.
We're all on AT&T, I'm a local, I grew up here As I said earlier, this is only since the buyout, and I know it's because they've cut cellphone tower capacity around here after the buyout. I don't know why though, as what other people are telling me is AT&T is actually increasing capacity elsewhere.

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