Teabagging women in Gears.
Tuesday, October 9th, 2007 - 8:49am
In a discussion on another forum, I mentioned the GWJ habit of f*cking / teabagging down opponents in Gears.
I think the people there were a bit shocked, so I made it clear that I only did this in games where I knew the other players and that I never did it (knowingly) to the women on the team.
Now, am I being too considerate by not teabagging? Has the Politically Correct monster grabbed hold of me?
Just wondered what other people thought. I don't want to be one of the 'hand wringing types', but abusing a bird when she's on the ground seems to have different connotations to, say, abusing Danjo. (Who, while he claims distate, obviously loves it.)



1's and 0's.
You don't have to call me Lieutenant, Rosie......
Woof Woof! That's my other dog imitation...
XBox Live: SwampYankee68
Yes and no.
On the one hand, you're employing positive discrimination. On the other, you're neglecting your duties when it comes to "equal opportunities".
So get squatting!
Xbox LIVE :: FriendFeed :: PSP Wallpaper
Emphasis mine.
Sexually violent behavior is sexually violent behavior. Gender does not play a role in regards to a victim. The intent is to express sexual dominance through force over another. A male victim of sexual abuse is no less a victim than a female.
This isn't meant to be an admonishment towards you or the behavior in general, just rather, that symbolic actions have meaning deeper than the traditional interpretation.
"If Blizzard announces a subscription fee for Diablo III we will have to build a second Internet to make room for all the complaining." - muttonchop
How can you play a game that Luna plays and NOT end up throwing your Big Book of Teabag Protocol right out the window?
No, if someone is "pwned" then they are allowed to be "bagged." That's the rule.
Letters to the Internet
That was a generic statement, right? In that case I agree.
However, bagging someone in a game is about as sexually violent as shooting them in a game is violent.
It's simply not.
You don't have to call me Lieutenant, Rosie......
Woof Woof! That's my other dog imitation...
XBox Live: SwampYankee68
You step into this house, you get pwned, you get bagged, and that's all there is to it.
That said, I don't know that I've ever bagged Mystic or Luna, and I might not, just because I'd feel ungentlemanly or something.
Quote:
- Legion, taking "keeping it in the family" to a whole new level.
Xbox Live: Fedaykin98
I agree and I had considered that. Yet I still think there's a subtle distinction here. When guys get teabagged generally, it's about domination. On GWJ servers I think there's still an aspect of that, but it's more about it being ridiculous, almost slapstick.
EDIT:
Fed, I feel the same way. Yet why should we? Why do we have to be gentlemanly?
First of all, I don't agree with being 'gentlemanly' generally. I don't see the reason to treat women with any reverence or be more polite them than to men. However I do believe in being polite to everyone.
I think part of the idea of being gentlemanly is related to the idea of the men caring about women; not in a romantic sense, but a protective one. That women are weaker objects and need to be looked after.
In real life this is entirely dependent on the physique of the woman and man in question. If Woody Allen and Serena Williams were to meet, I'd imagine she'd be the alpha male.
Online, this is irrelevant. We're judged on our ability to think and react, not how much we can benchpress.
Hatchet Job - intelligent and irrevent gaming discussion.
Correct.
What I'm getting at is that the notion that only "women" could be the "victim" of video game "sexual assault." IF you argue that someone COULD be victimized by teabagging in a video game, then you would have to say that a victim is a victim, regardless of gender.
"If Blizzard announces a subscription fee for Diablo III we will have to build a second Internet to make room for all the complaining." - muttonchop
I say teabag them more.
Take THAT for ditching me at the prom, female gender!
I generated a virtual world in the toilet bowl this morning.
-- Podunk on the PS3's mystical, magical abilities
The same for women.
A distinction that I don't think would be made by someone who, for example, views video shoostings the same as actually being capable of, having the means to commit, and finally carrying out firearm violence.
"If Blizzard announces a subscription fee for Diablo III we will have to build a second Internet to make room for all the complaining." - muttonchop
I'm not saying that only women can. I was wondering why I didn't do it; part of that is my concern that women would take it to mean something it wasn't.
Hatchet Job - intelligent and irrevent gaming discussion.
I've never actually teabagged someone, I think. I figure if I killed them, it was purely by luck, not by my skill.
Ulairi wrote:
Xbox Live: Sir Rockford | PSN: SirRockford | Twitter
For all the times I've been pwn'd by both Mystic and Luna, they've demonstrated they've got the chops. They're not newbies and they get the full treatment. There's no gender, there's skill and they have plenty of it. So, to not bag them when they're the last on the field, when I would another male player of comparable skill, is saying there's something lacking because they're female. They don't deserve that.
Do, I shoot them a little less because they're female? No.
Do I attribute any kills they score on me to luck? No.
Do I take satisfaction in beating them in the game because they're a tough opponent? Yes.
Bags away.
Xbox Live | Steam | Last.fm
No matter how polite you are, they're not going to sleep with you.
NOTE: This is not a doodle bug.
Spore
Yeah I think Lobster has cut to the core of the problem. Once again.
Think of them like your sisters. Are you nice and courteous to your sister when competing? Absolutely not. Do you take every opportunity to rub every little victory in her face just to watch he freak out? Oh yes.
Letters to the Internet
I'm good like that.
NOTE: This is not a doodle bug.
Spore
Cut to the core? Have you read what I said? You'll notice that I don't advocate being 'especially' nice to women in real life.
What I'm talking about here is whether you should slap your balls against your sisters forehead.
Slightly different.
Hatchet Job - intelligent and irrevent gaming discussion.
If we use the Royal Family as an example, then yes.
I generated a virtual world in the toilet bowl this morning.
-- Podunk on the PS3's mystical, magical abilities
Which one?
Hatchet Job - intelligent and irrevent gaming discussion.
THE Royal Family, silly. Those crazy Brits in their castles, what with their fantastic history of in-breeding and all. I could have gone the "West Virginia" route, but that would have the potential to offend nobody.
I generated a virtual world in the toilet bowl this morning.
-- Podunk on the PS3's mystical, magical abilities
You don't have a sister do you?
Once my little sister and I were fighting and she tripped me and body slammed my head. To make it especially effective and humiliating she did so with her ass. The force of her butt slamming into the top of my head and the ground slamming into my chin caused me to loose a baby tooth.
After having a tooth knocked out by a serious "seating" I don't really blink twice about teabagging anyone in cyberspace.
Letters to the Internet
If any chicks played BF2142 with us, I would bag them too.
Fedaykin98 wrote:
wordsmythe wrote:
<3
I don't want anyone to treat me differently just because I have a vagina.
Ouch, I have lost myself again
Last.fm
Hemi,
I've never said I didn't 'bag them because they were lacking in skill or they were shooting cottonwool bullets. In fact, I stated quite clearly that I thought such discrimation was stupid.
Hatchet Job - intelligent and irrevent gaming discussion.
I think we're missing your edited post. I just went and read the thread backwards because I was confused and I see what you're saying now.
So I don't really have an opinion.
Uh, follow your heart?
Letters to the Internet
What I was trying to say was that it doesn't even cross my mind that they're women when the bullets and bags are flying. They're opponents and I'm an equal opportunity a**hole. To me, it's more of an endzone victory dance in football celebration.
Xbox Live | Steam | Last.fm
You people really having this conversation?
XBox Live: ChrisLTD | Live Messenger: ChrisLTD at hotmail dot com | Steam: ChrisLTD | Wii Code: 6445 2828 5100 8399
Man, what an awesome thread to wake up to today. This totally delivers.
"We're taught from a young age how to dodge rock hard objects moving at incredible rates of speed while simultaneously beating folks half to death with sticks. We do this for fun." -kung fu grip
http://blog.digital-lifeline.ca
Actually the timing of this thread is funny. Saturday night Mystic was hosting. She and her hubby were on the opposite team. Mystic was in spectator mode. I downed her hubby on the subway tracks and, without thinking, teabagged him before landing a head stomp.
Inigo was laughing as we returned to the Round resuls screen. He pointed out what I had done and asked "Is it right to teabag the hosts husband in front of them...." It was a Gears of War ettiquete question.
I hadn't thought about it... but damn, that was funny in a virtual Gears kinda way.
Mystic didnt seem to care as it was all in good GoW fun.
Xbox Live: Irongut | Playstation ID: Irongut_GWJ
It does seem a bit silly to argue about etiquette in a game where the point is to kill each other with brutal weapons.
I do find that the victory celebrations get a little tiresome after a while though. A lot of times I'd rather just get to the next game.
I wish we would save them for the times where there was pure pwnage.
XBox Live: ChrisLTD | Live Messenger: ChrisLTD at hotmail dot com | Steam: ChrisLTD | Wii Code: 6445 2828 5100 8399