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To go along with the overhyped recent releases thread...

Are there any game developers who are considered Game Gods that you just don't like or consider vastly overrated?

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I hate Peter Molyneux games. Yes, he had a couple of good releases - Populous and Syndicate were really neat games for their time and Magic Carpet was an outstanding release. But I found Populous easily overshadowed by SimCity/Archon/others and Syndicate never quite clicked with me. Magic Carpet was outstanding, but had horrendous system requirements.

Since Magic Carpet in 1994, what has Molyneux done that's worth a damn?

I found Dungeon Keeper to be a bore-fest. I know it was just inducted in the Games for Windows Hall of Fame, but I can't quite figure out why. I found it to be stale and repetitious.

Theme Park? Hell, RCT showed what an amusement park game was all about.

Gene Wars? Did anyone play this?

Black and White? The most overhyped lousy game since Outpost.

Fable? The most overhyped mediocre game since anything by Ion Storm. Half the features that were announced didn't make it into the game.

The Movies? A borefest that didn't last a week on my hard drive.

Black and White 2? Another mediocre game.

Simply put, I found every single game of his since Magic Carpet to be - at best - boring. At worst, they were great ideas that were horribly executed. I guess the worst part is that I keep getting suckered into buying his games from the initial release/review hype. For some reason, his games moreso than others tend to be pimped heavily with great initial reviews and then the review scores fall once people have actually had a chance to play them. I guess I just feel suckered that I've bought so many of his games, with Syndicate and Magic Carpet the only ones that lasted longer than a week in play rotation.(rant off)

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Bioware is going to fall into that camp for me unless Mass Effect turns out to be good. I loved the original Baldur's Gate and thought KOTOR was quite good (although I didn't love it as much as many do), but Neverwinter Nights wasn't quite what I was hoping it would be and Jade Empire was a major letdown. I haven't written them off yet but I get the feeling that the media just assumes everything they make will be gold. I'm not convinced of that yet.

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Blackadar wrote:
What has Molyneux done that's worth a damn?

This two... however, I would agree that they were way over hyped and delivered on nothing what was originally announced. With that said, I enjoyed both of them.

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*Black and White? The most overhyped lousy game since Outpost.
*Fable? The most overhyped mediocre game since anything by Ion Storm. Half the features that were announced didn't make it into the game.

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Overhyped enough for you?

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ohh come on Syndicate was like god like games! hell if i could find my copy and i could get it to install i would. Borg slaves that are fixed up to upleash death soo good!

As far as over-hyped developers....DICE hehe fun games but they need to fire their debuggers


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Sacriligeous as it may sound, I think that Bungie and Square-Enix are two of the most overhyped game developers/publishers I'm familiar with.

Bungie should be obvious. Both Halo 2 and Halo 3 have some cool, incremental additions to gameplay that the previous iterations didn't. That said, overall the games are fairly solid retreads of the previous iterations too. I think Bungie's a little overhyped, especially this third time around, when the hype is even more than it was for 2, and I thought that was overhyped.

Square-Enix is one of my favorite developers, but even so, I think that they've gotten a bit overhyped over the last several years. Too many solid non-Square-Enix jrpg's are overlooked while mediocre or slightly above-average ones from S-E are hyped like crazy because hey, it's Square-Enix!

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I'm gonna have to go with Denis Dyack. His high profile meltdowns have completely overshadowed any game he could make between now and the year 4000.

David Jaffe is quickly getting there for me too.

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Over hyped enough for you?

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Farscry wrote:
Square-Enix is one of my favorite developers, but even so, I think that they've gotten a bit overhyped over the last several years. Too many solid non-Square-Enix jrpg's are overlooked while mediocre or slightly above-average ones from S-E are hyped like crazy because hey, it's Square-Enix!

Wait... There are other RPGs besides Final Fantasy?! Inconceivable. All other developers are false prophets! Only the one true GOD, our Lord Squeenix, can lead us all to salvation! Down with the infidels... when it's our turn!

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Yeah they should have rented a shack out in the middle of no-where and spent that money getting the game to actually be fun instead of killing millions of insects as game play lol!

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I'd love another Magic Carpet game!

Peter Molyneuex deserves a bit more credit than mentioned here I think. Didn't he also do Populous and Powermonger? The father of the God Game genre. Wouldnt Syndicate be an early example of RTS? Dungeon Keeper inspired a whole sandbox gameplay style seen later in Startopia and Evil Genius. I never played Theme Hospital, between it and Themepark, his vision inspired the whole Tycoon genre of games I think too. That said, he has a gift for gab, talks too much of his visions and he underdelivers against those. Still his impact on gaming is quite prolific I think.

id is overhyped from a game development perspective. Carmack is a technology genius, but id, the company's, games always seem to be lacking something from a content perspective. Their multiplayer was groundbreaking, but so many other companies have taken that to the next level. Their games are technical showcases and just feel too mechanical to me.

I'm going to go on a limb and say, that although I owe Lord British some of my most cherished gaming moments with Ultima 2 -4, I think he is overhyped at this point. I cant think of a recent game that has delivered the goods. Ultima 8 and 9 were letdowns and I just dont think his design vision made the transition from 2d to 3. Maybe if I had picked up Ultima Online, instead of that EQ box, my perspective would be different. I'll be curious to see what Tabula Rasa brings to the table. Prove me wrong LB and I'll be the first to admit it.

I'm also gonna throw Westwood Studios on the table, though maybe its not fair since EA has assimilated them. Every Commander and Conquer game after the first, felt like the same game, to the point that I stopped buying them. It's probably my loss, but I just wasnt interested in picking up Generals or anymore Red Alerts.

Sigil and John Romero (I forget the game company he founded) were perfect examples of over-hyped, under delivering developers.

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I definitely think Bungie is overhyped, though they do make fun games. Halo 2 wasn't (and still isn't) as great as everyone says it is. We've seen with Halo 3 though, that they can make a good game when they actually try.

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Hemidal wrote:
I'm gonna have to go with Denis Dyack.

That is an odd choice... since I think SK got no hype going for it, especially after EGM and now SK vs. Epic. If anything they could use some hype! I'm probably one of ten people who still looking forward to Too Human.

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Destination Games (the poopstorm of Tabula Rasa)and even though they haven't released a game yet Flagship Studios. I just finished watching a few new videos of Hellgate London and one ten minute long gameplay video and found myself severely underwhelmed.

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subaltern wrote:
I definitely think Bungie is overhyped, though they do make fun games. Halo 2 wasn't (and still isn't) as great as everyone says it is. We've seen with Halo 3 though, that they can make a good game when they actually try.

Yeah, and the Myth games that they developed, which were great.

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ohh come on Syndicate was like god like games! hell if i could find my copy and i could get it to install i would. Borg slaves that are fixed up to upleash death soo good!

You know, Syndicate runs pretty well in DOSBox these days.

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3D Realms.

Here is a company that claims to be self-funded and is apparently raking in the money and they haven't released a game in like 10 years. You have to admire a company that can turn one game into a lifetime of royalties. Imagine working on a game with no deadlines. They have truly stumbled onto the holy grail of game development.

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Well, they did publish Prey last year... do they get anything from that?

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Mystic Violet wrote:
Wait... There are other RPGs besides Final Fantasy?! Inconceivable. All other developers are false prophets! Only the one true GOD, our Lord Squeenix, can lead us all to salvation! Down with the infidels... when it's our turn!

I prefer the 'old testament' God of Square. The Tri-une God of the 'new testament' is lacking in something... i think it could be Mana

I know i'll get flamed for this because everyone knows what i think on the subject but Valve are an over-hyped developer.
Sure, they make decent games - not great but good. However, they can't project manage to save their lives....

Although i love me some Duke, i would say that 3DRealms are over-hyped but they haven't released anything for a long time now and as such they are over-under-hyped.

I think that Bungie are over-hyped with regards to Halo... but i believe that they could make another great series like Marathon or even an updated Pathways into Darkness if they were given the chance.

Oh yeah and Blizzard are SO over-hyped it isn't real. Just make Diablo 3 and i'll forgive you...

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I think its pretty safe to say that eventually someone will mention some developer that hasn't been mentioned.. thus ensuring that every developer is overhyped.

Probably more a product of the Intraweb and our own selves rather than any of the said "overhyped" developers.

But carry on.. I know people love these kind of threads.

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Serenj wrote:
I just finished watching a few new videos of Hellgate London and one ten minute long gameplay video and found myself severely underwhelmed.

Sidetracking briefly here, but I'll just say this: watching Diablo 2 videos was always horribly dull and not exciting to me. Playing Diablo 2, on the other hand, was blissful. Watching Hellgate videos is ok but still pretty dull. On the other hand, .

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The last game that 3D Realms actually MADE was for DOS. Those guys aren't even fun to joke about anymore.

And Hellgate London will rock when it gets released in March or possibly April 2008.

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I miss the Romero.

I respect the man. John Carmack had a ton of good things to say about Romero in Masters of Doom and id's games lost most of their originality after he left.

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Probably more a product of the Intraweb and our own selves rather than any of the said "overhyped" developers.

But carry on.. I know people love these kind of threads.

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I know i'll get flamed for this because everyone knows what i think on the subject but Valve are an over-hyped developer.
Sure, they make decent games - not great but good. However, they can't project manage to save their lives....

Yeah, I'll go ahead and disagree, Valve has never released a bad game.

They may release late, but that's another thing.

Also, remember there have been a bunch of Duke Nukem 3d ports and sidescrolling games (The Manhattan project?). I doubt they'd be raking in the cash as much as 3d Realms says...

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Yeah, and the Myth games that they developed, which were great.

Marathon was a great series as well. I used Halo 3 as an example because it reminded me that Bungie knows what they're doing.

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TheGameguru wrote:
I think its pretty safe to say that eventually someone will mention some developer that hasn't been mentioned.. thus ensuring that every developer is overhyped.

...and thus, as a whole, we ultimately ensure equal biased and unbiased treatment of all developers!

This is a wonderfully cleansing process.

More, more, more! Let's throw more developers on the bonfire of our opinions. The flames hunger! They dance! More developers for the Blood God! He thirsts.

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I know i'll get flamed for this because everyone knows what i think on the subject but Valve are an over-hyped developer.
Sure, they make decent games - not great but good. However, they can't project manage to save their lives....

Yeah, I'll go ahead and disagree, Valve has never released a bad game.

They may release late, but that's another thing.

But are their games the messianic comings that people believe them to be?

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Also, remember there have been a bunch of Duke Nukem 3d ports and sidescrolling games (The Manhattan project?). I doubt they'd be raking in the cash as much as 3d Realms says...

Those ports where not made by 3DRealms internal teams... it's the difference between Raven and id.

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Valve games are excellent in almost every respect. Shush

With that out of the way.. every developer will be overhyped to somebody.

Peter Molydoesn'tknowhowtomakeadecentgametosavehislifeanymore is my own personal favorite for this topic though.

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I'm also gonna throw Westwood Studios on the table, though maybe its not fair since EA has assimilated them. Every Commander and Conquer game after the first, felt like the same game, to the point that I stopped buying them. It's probably my loss, but I just wasnt interested in picking up Generals or anymore Red Alerts.

I'm going to have to disagree with you on this one Irongut old boy. Generals and the expansion were quite innovative and very much a departure from the tired GDI vs Nod storyline.

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TrashiDawa wrote:
Irongut wrote:

I'm also gonna throw Westwood Studios on the table, though maybe its not fair since EA has assimilated them. Every Commander and Conquer game after the first, felt like the same game, to the point that I stopped buying them. It's probably my loss, but I just wasnt interested in picking up Generals or anymore Red Alerts.

I'm going to have to disagree with you on this one Irongut old boy. Generals and the expansion were quite innovative and very much a departure from the tired GDI vs Nod storyline.

Red Alert ruled too.

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I would say Bungie as well. They've released a number of good games (and the Halo games are by no means bad) but I don't believe they're the second-coming of gaming as many others do. I like Molyneux and a lot of what he's done in the past (I personally think Dungeon Keeper was awesome) but lately, he has heavily overpromised and I think some of those titles have taken a lot of hype away from those that deserved it more (like how Black & White stole StarTopia's thunder.) I think Team Ninja has been overhyped in many ways. Ninja Gaiden is an awesome game that I respect a lot but Dead Or Alive is a weak fighting series to me and the Xtreme games are just laughable. Itagaki acts as though he's the lord's gift to gaming and though I think a lot of that is a marketing persona since he didn't used to be like that at all and suddenly changed one day. I think BioWare is awesome but were it not for their hype in the community, I don't think Neverwinter Nights would have been the success it was.

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I'm going to have to disagree with you on this one Irongut old boy. Generals and the expansion were quite innovative and very much a departure from the tired GDI vs Nod storyline.

Red Alert ruled too.

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