WoW- Lament of the Highborne

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Wow! For those who criticize WoW's lack of compelling story, I offer this in refute. Its a new cinematic that just so happens to involve my favorite WC3 character Sylvanas Windrunner =P

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fangblackbone wrote:
Wow! For those who criticize WoW's lack of compelling story, I offer this in refute.

I would criticize that Alliance has no compelling stories. After having played to 70 on both sides of the war, I would definatly say that the Horde story line was done much better. The Thrall story arcs (OH and negrand) alone makes it worth lvling a hordie. This just adds to the depth and flavour of the faction.

What living hero's does Alli have? Anyone your virtual character would want fight/die for ? I mean the king of stormwind is a little kid.
I would have liked to say that the two factions were even in ""coolness"" but unfortunatly there not.

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Yeah, Alliance is pretty screwed. Just look at all their heroes.

Arthas is now the Lich King and head of the scourge.

Prince Quel Thas is now a Blood mage and has indirect dealings with Kiljaeden, the head demon lord. (horde)

Illidan was a fallen hero that tried to redeem himself by going after the betrayer Arthas. But he was defeated and now has struck a deal with Kiljaeden and also essentially condemned the High Elves by being the go between for them and Kiljaedin.

Sylvanas was turned undead by Arthas and now leads the forsaken. (horde)

Jaina Proudmoore is still alliance but is content with bunkering down in Theramore.

Tyrande Whisperwind is content with bunkering down in the priestess temple in Darnassus.

Malfurion is somewhere.

Maiev, the warden that chased Illidan after his escape, followed him to the Outlands and apparently died of no consequence.

Muradin Bronzebeard is dead because of Arthas.

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You forgot Uther.... but alas he got ganked.

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I'll agree though, most of the Alliance quest story lines in WoW are tragic. Blizzard is very keen on their whole ambiguous morality thing. The "good guys" doing evil, the "bad guys" being noble.

But who knows what's going on with Sylvanas' older sister Alleria and her Very Good Friend Turalyon--both noble heroes, and both apparently still alive in Outland.

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fangblackbone wrote:
Yeah, Alliance is pretty screwed. Just look at all their heroes.

Yes, most their heroes died in the 2nd and 3rd wars, but look at who most the time we're fighting... the old Horde and the trouble they caused.

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Arthas is now the Lich King and head of the scourge.

And that is the fault of the humans of Lorderon for not listening to Medivh's warning to move to Kalimdor. They scoffed at him. Look what happened.

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Prince Quel Thas is now a Blood mage and has indirect dealings with Kiljaeden, the head demon lord. (horde)

Kael'thas is his name. Quel'thalas is their kingdom. Kael'thas was screwed over by the Alliance and so he Allied with Illidan. The overwhelming amount of magic he consumed has corrupted his mind, but he still believes he is doing what is best for his people back home (even though he's wrong).

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Illidan was a fallen hero that tried to redeem himself by going after the betrayer Arthas. But he was defeated and now has struck a deal with Kiljaeden and also essentially condemned the High Elves by being the go between for them and Kiljaedin.

He didn't try to redeem himself. If he didn't go after Arthas, Kil'jaeden was going to kill him. His brother, Malfurion had already banished him for his crimes. He is not allied with Kil'jaeden. He is afraid of Kil'jaeden and that is why he built up the army in Outland, so he could hopefully use the demons of the Legion against them. He hates the Burning Legion as much as everyone else.

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Sylvanas was turned undead by Arthas and now leads the forsaken. (horde)

She still wouldn't have been with the Alliance after how they treated her people.

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Jaina Proudmoore is still alliance but is content with bunkering down in Theramore.

She actually listened to Medivh and that is how she is alive today.

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Tyrande Whisperwind is content with bunkering down in the priestess temple in Darnassus.

Meh, night elves are EVIL! EVIL I tell you! Just look at Staghelm. When the world tree at Hyjal was destroyed, the night elves started freaking out. They had lost their immortality. So they decided to try to build a new world tree. They went to the dragon aspects for their blessing and the dragons told them not to build a would tree because the time of such immortality had passed. Against the advice of the dragon aspects, they still made a new one, Teldrassil, but it did not give them immortality. In fact, it is rotting. It is corrupt to the very roots.

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Malfurion is somewhere.

Malfurion's spirit is in the Emerald Dream along aside Cenarion and Ysera, fighting the Emerald Nightmare.

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Maiev, the warden that chased Illidan after his escape, followed him to the Outlands and apparently died of no consequence.

Maiev is in Shadowmoon Valley, held prisoner by Akama and his Ashtongue Deathsworn. When you fight Illidan, Akama joins you, having been broken of Illidan's control and Maive comes and lands the final blow. Illidan's last words are a curse to her. Telling her of her now worthlessness. Without the hunted, there is no reason for a hunter.

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Muradin Bronzebeard is dead because of Arthas.

Yes, but you also have Brann Bronzebeard, the head of the Explorer's League, who, along with Bolivar Fordragon (the guy in the King's Chamber of Stormwind) will be the forefront of the Alliance push in Northrend.

Also, there is Tirion Fordring and his reformed Knights of the Silver Hand in Northrend.

You have to figure, The Burning Crusade expansion was all about Horde lore. You went to their homeland, so it'll be a Horde focus. Rise of the Lich King will be more of an Alliance focus (with a bit of Forsaken focus) thrown in there. Expect the Alliance story to become front and center in the next expansion.

Plus... the Dwarves are going to come across something monumental. They are going to find the Iron Dwarves in Northrend. They are a fierce and unfriendly race with runes eched in their skin. They live in Ulduar, an old Titan city. It is expected that Ulduar is where Brann Bronzebeard will unravel the truth about the creation of the dwarven race. As this old Titan city is still intact (unlike Uldaman, for example) players will be able to venture deep inside and reveal this ancient mystery.

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When you fight Illidan, Akama joins you, having been broken of Illidan's control and Maive comes and lands the final blow. Illidan's last words are a curse to her.

For real? Im glad they involved her. The last time I checked warcraft wiki, they just mentioned that she went to the Outland and died. I wonder if Sylvanas will get a piece of Arthas in Northrend then =)

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fangblackbone wrote:
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When you fight Illidan, Akama joins you, having been broken of Illidan's control and Maive comes and lands the final blow. Illidan's last words are a curse to her.

For real? Im glad they involved her. The last time I checked warcraft wiki, they just mentioned that she went to the Outland and died. I wonder if Sylvanas will get a piece of Arthas in Northrend then =)

I'm expecting Sylvanas will have a similar part in the Arthas encounter, as well as the Nerubian King (spider guy, sorry about sp), as one of the bosses for a 25man raid as part of attunment.

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Nerubian King = teh awesome!

He was one of my finalists for the model I was going to make for the Blizzard Art Contest. I could only find the tiniest source image for him though.

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You have to figure, The Burning Crusade expansion was all about Horde lore. You went to their homeland, so it'll be a Horde focus. Rise of the Lich King will be more of an Alliance focus (with a bit of Forsaken focus) thrown in there. Expect the Alliance story to become front and center in the next expansion.

Plus... the Dwarves are going to come across something monumental. They are going to find the Iron Dwarves in Northrend. They are a fierce and unfriendly race with runes eched in their skin. They live in Ulduar, an old Titan city. It is expected that Ulduar is where Brann Bronzebeard will unravel the truth about the creation of the dwarven race. As this old Titan city is still intact (unlike Uldaman, for example) players will be able to venture deep inside and reveal this ancient mystery.

Thats alot of speculation there Mord. I dont know if we can expect Blizz to fix the balance in the story focus in WoW. Before the expansion it was the same. I remember going to see the actual king of Stormwind. He just stood in a cave, on a Island near Theramore. It was an unfinished quest, involving the leader of the Human Race. That shows sloppiness/ lack of caring. They removed him in an earlier patch, and the story line is still not fixed.

This well done cinematic demonstrates the same. Its about the Forsaken (ie Horde) and the Lich king; no alliance anywhere.

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I dont know if we can expect Blizz to fix the balance in the story focus in WoW. Before the expansion it was the same. I remember going to see the actual king of Stormwind. He just stood in a cave, on a Island near Theramore. It was an unfinished quest, involving the leader of the Human Race. That shows sloppiness/ lack of caring. They removed him in an earlier patch, and the story line is still not fixed.

This well done cinematic demonstrates the same. Its about the Forsaken (ie Horde) and the Lich king; no alliance anywhere.

While I personally prefer Horde to Alliance, due in no small part to the fact that my only 70 thus far is Horde, it's really something to get used to. Metzen, the man in charge of LoreLOL, is a devout Hordie. It kind of sucks, but as long as he's all about some Horde, expect to see a Horde slant in WoW.

With that said, I do agree with Mordiceius; the likelyhood of seeing a slant towards Alliance is pretty good.

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I keep seeing this discussed as a cinematic, so I thought it worth mentioning that this is an in-game event. You can get the necklace as a random drop in Ghostlands, and when you take it to Sylvanas she breaks out in song and her backup banshees appear. Make sure you have game music turned on when you turn it in, or you won't hear it.

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Supertanker wrote:
I keep seeing this discussed as a cinematic, so I thought it worth mentioning that this is an in-game event. You can get the necklace as a random drop in Ghostlands, and when you take it to Sylvanas she breaks out in song and her backup banshees appear. Make sure you have game music turned on when you turn it in, or you won't hear it.

But does it have the animation including arthas? plus the back story? Therefore... Cinematic. It took blizz extra effort to add to the ingame content.

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While I personally prefer Horde to Alliance .... expect to see a Horde slant in WoW.

I agree with the first part, mainly due to the second.

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Mordiceius wrote:

You have to figure, The Burning Crusade expansion was all about Horde lore. You went to their homeland, so it'll be a Horde focus. Rise of the Lich King will be more of an Alliance focus (with a bit of Forsaken focus) thrown in there. Expect the Alliance story to become front and center in the next expansion.

Plus... the Dwarves are going to come across something monumental. They are going to find the Iron Dwarves in Northrend. They are a fierce and unfriendly race with runes eched in their skin. They live in Ulduar, an old Titan city. It is expected that Ulduar is where Brann Bronzebeard will unravel the truth about the creation of the dwarven race. As this old Titan city is still intact (unlike Uldaman, for example) players will be able to venture deep inside and reveal this ancient mystery.

Thats alot of speculation there Mord. I dont know if we can expect Blizz to fix the balance in the story focus in WoW. Before the expansion it was the same. I remember going to see the actual king of Stormwind. He just stood in a cave, on a Island near Theramore. It was an unfinished quest, involving the leader of the Human Race. That shows sloppiness/ lack of caring. They removed him in an earlier patch, and the story line is still not fixed.

This well done cinematic demonstrates the same. Its about the Forsaken (ie Horde) and the Lich king; no alliance anywhere.

I don't know the full story, but I believe that the developer working on that stuff had quit Blizzard while working on it and no one ever got the chance to finish it.

Also though, coming soon is a basic revamp of Duskwallow Marsh. A huge bunch of quests and a new town there.

And one of the main things you have to remember, this expansion is going to have a HUGE ton of dwarf lore as well with the Titan City there. (Go run Uldaman too for some great dwarf lore. Crappy instance. Cool lore.)

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HantaXP wrote:
Mordiceius wrote:

You have to figure, The Burning Crusade expansion was all about Horde lore. You went to their homeland, so it'll be a Horde focus. Rise of the Lich King will be more of an Alliance focus (with a bit of Forsaken focus) thrown in there. Expect the Alliance story to become front and center in the next expansion.

Plus... the Dwarves are going to come across something monumental. They are going to find the Iron Dwarves in Northrend. They are a fierce and unfriendly race with runes eched in their skin. They live in Ulduar, an old Titan city. It is expected that Ulduar is where Brann Bronzebeard will unravel the truth about the creation of the dwarven race. As this old Titan city is still intact (unlike Uldaman, for example) players will be able to venture deep inside and reveal this ancient mystery.

Thats alot of speculation there Mord. I dont know if we can expect Blizz to fix the balance in the story focus in WoW. Before the expansion it was the same. I remember going to see the actual king of Stormwind. He just stood in a cave, on a Island near Theramore. It was an unfinished quest, involving the leader of the Human Race. That shows sloppiness/ lack of caring. They removed him in an earlier patch, and the story line is still not fixed.

This well done cinematic demonstrates the same. Its about the Forsaken (ie Horde) and the Lich king; no alliance anywhere.

/agree

The whole King of Stormwind series had great potential. Getting to him was a challenge (surrounded by 60 elites) but it could have been one of the best storylines in WoW. Imagine a group quest having to escort him out and to Theramore, where Jaina then makes a decision to put him back on the throne. The battle could have been epic and now it seems like it's wasted.

I think at one point there was discussion about taking back Gnomer, but that never happened either.

Really, the only great story arc that I can think of on the Alliance side is the King of SW. They have some great quests, but no great arcs.

I am so going to quote that out of context.

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The Deadmines arc is good. I don't know how far it extends into higher levels. Of course its another one where the Alliance are the bad guys by screwing over another segment of the Alliance. I can't tell if Van Cleef is a war profiteer or a victim, or both.

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I remember going to see the actual king of Stormwind. He just stood in a cave, on a Island near Theramore. It was an unfinished quest, involving the leader of the Human Race. That shows sloppiness/ lack of caring. They removed him in an earlier patch, and the story line is still not fixed.

I don't know the full story, but I believe that the developer working on that stuff had quit Blizzard while working on it and no one ever got the chance to finish it.

I'm pretty sure he served a purpose. Wasn't his capture and spirited away thing part of the Ahn Quiriaji (sp, yes yes.) gates quest or another world event? I'm quite positive he was used in some Epic-Storyline-World quest before they removed him. Because I remember that (or at least I thought) that Onyxia had captured and put him there. It's been a long while since I played Wow, but I was there for those old events when they happened (but only as a standby, other guilds got there first)

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ilharae wrote:
I'm pretty sure he served a purpose. Wasn't his capture and spirited away thing part of the Ahn Quiriaji (sp, yes yes.) gates quest or another world event? I'm quite positive he was used in some Epic-Storyline-World quest before they removed him. Because I remember that (or at least I thought) that Onyxia had captured and put him there. It's been a long while since I played Wow, but I was there for those old events when they happened (but only as a standby, other guilds got there first)

The thing about crafting the Scepter to open Ahn'Qiraj is that you can still do it, so he wasn't part of that. And actually, he was pulled from Alcaz in order to place the NPC for Gates of Ahn'Qiraj.

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Hmm, well I stand corrected then. That's a disappointment then that they haven't bothered to do anything with that loose end of the storyline. You'd figure they would have thought of something by now.

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ilharae wrote:
Hmm, well I stand corrected then. That's a disappointment then that they haven't bothered to do anything with that loose end of the storyline. You'd figure they would have thought of something by now.

It's not so much a matter of thinking of something, but finding the time to do it in. They've sunk a lot into developing Northrend for the next expansion, the content patches, the side events like Brewfest, not to mention a slight redesign of Dustwallow Marsh. However, I have a feeling that since the CMs keep saying that quest line will be revisited, we'll see it alongside a redesigned Dustwallow Marsh in 2.3 along with the streamlined 20-60 content.

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Another question from a WoW newb:

I never really got into Warcraft since I suck at RTS. What's the best way to find the lore that's in the game? Is it just in quest descriptions and quest items (like notes you can read before handing in)? Granted I've only been all the way through one instance so far (Deadmines), but it wasn't like it was exactly easy to find lore in there, unless I missed something. I take it that in later instances, there are cutscenes to watch?

I guess I could certainly do a bit better of a job gleaning lore from the quests and not rushing through without reading (yeah, I've done it. A lot). But is there anything else I can do beyond that in game? I feel like the only reason I know anything about the over-arching story is from reading what other players have written over the years, not anything I've learned through playing myself.

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I've read that before. But it seems to me there's a big disconnect from reading 20+ pages about how Sergaras did this and that on a lore website, to getting into the game and being asked to kill troggs because they're causing a nuisance, and also we'll give you some mittens to keep your hands warm. Do you know what I mean? My main character is 41, and though I admit I skim a lot of quest text, I have read it, and I don't recall ever seeing anything very lore-intensive. Lots of stuff about how Joe lost his eyepatch and would reward me handsomely if I found it and gave it back to him. But at what point does the game itself start feeding you more info on the lore? Is it in the quests surrounding instances (only)? I think the video you linked at the beginning is really neat, and I want more, that's all I'm trying to get at.

Maybe I need to play the WC3 campaign on the easiest mode/using cheats or something.

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Maybe I need to play the WC3 campaign on the easiest mode/using cheats or something.

*nod*

And be sure to pick up the Frozen Throne expansion. That is where most of my background knowledge of WoW stems from. That and the stuff I've picked up from the lead in quests for the instances. A lot of WoW's early fedex quests, especially in Westfall, give good background.

Newbie zone quests and the racial introductions also lay a foundation. A lot of them require killing 3 sets of wolves/boars/cats before you get to meet the overseer of the area. The overseers' quest text is the most lore intensive.

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Maybe I need to play the WC3 campaign on the easiest mode/using cheats or something.

I highly suggest doing this. You'll have a harder time finding the older games, but grab the WC3 Battle Chest for 20-30 bucks, get the cheats from GameFAQs, and you'll be set.

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