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October 2006: Sony: Rumble would be a huge disservice

September 2007: IGN confirms PS3 rumble

Thanks for the disservice, Sony!

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...but, ...but, Its the Last-gen technology! Ken told me so!

With that said, it's a good news... but I wish Sony would take time to fix the controller in general.

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Nei wrote:
...but, ...but, It the Last- gen technology! Ken told me so!

With that said, it's a good news... but I wish Sony would take time to fix the controller in general.

How so?

I think the PS3 controller is fine except for lack of rumble and it being a bit too light.

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Elliottx wrote:
Nei wrote:
...but, ...but, It the Last- gen technology! Ken told me so!

With that said, it's a good news... but I wish Sony would take time to fix the controller in general.

How so?

I think the PS3 controller is fine except for lack of rumble and it being a bit too light.

There's a new attachment similar to the Wiimote nunchaku that remedies the weight problem:

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Elliottx wrote:
How so?

I think the PS3 controller is fine except for lack of rumble and it being a bit too light.

Personally, I don't really mind the controller being light and to be fair, I should have stated that my issues with PS3 controller mostly personal preferences. I never liked the PS controller design, just never found it to be comfortable. However, there are slight issues that I have... and I'm not sure if they 100% to do with controller. For example, sixaxis disconnecting or completely shutting off.

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Yep, i'm with Nei. I was actually excited about the boomerang design - very similar to a very comfortable Logitech design. But no... sony caved into the fanboy's demands....

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Nei wrote:
Elliottx wrote:
How so?

I think the PS3 controller is fine except for lack of rumble and it being a bit too light.

Personally, I don't really mind the controller being light and to be fair, I should have stated that my issues with PS3 controller mostly personal preferences. I never liked the PS controller design, just never found it to be comfortable. However, there are slight issues that I have... and I'm not sure if they 100% to do with controller. For example, sixaxis disconnecting or completely shutting off.

The disconnecting thing really sucks. Since I more or less just use the PS3 to play single player stuff it doesn't make a huge difference, but it is still annoying as hell in action games like Super Stardust HD. If I was playing multiplayer games, though, it would be unbearable.

I have to agree with Nei in other ways too, though; the PS controller design was pretty nice when it was new back in the mid 90s, but these days the ergonomics just don't stack up to the sweetness of the Xbox 360 controller. Yes, they've made incremental improvements in that regard, and it isn't bad by any stretch of the imagination, but it still is inferior in most ways to the competition (the joysicks just don't cut it for FPS games, and those triggers, well, it was a nice thought but it really doesn't help much if you ask me).

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The disconnecting thing really sucks. Since I more or less just use the PS3 to play single player stuff it doesn't make a huge difference, but it is still annoying as hell in action games like Super Stardust HD.

My PS3 controller hasn't disconnected in quite a while. In fact I just played all the way through the GRAW2 single player and didn't have one disconnect.

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Nei wrote:
Elliottx wrote:
How so?

I think the PS3 controller is fine except for lack of rumble and it being a bit too light.

Personally, I don't really mind the controller being light and to be fair, I should have stated that my issues with PS3 controller mostly personal preferences. I never liked the PS controller design, just never found it to be comfortable. However, there are slight issues that I have... and I'm not sure if they 100% to do with controller. For example, sixaxis disconnecting or completely shutting off.

Yeah I agree there. I haven't ever had a disconnect. But I play alot of PS2 games on my PS3 and having my controller shut down every time I choose to play one of those games, is quite annoying. Or when doing firmware updates. I don't see why they couldn't have made it as robust as the X360 controller's connection.

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Stric9 wrote:
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The disconnecting thing really sucks. Since I more or less just use the PS3 to play single player stuff it doesn't make a huge difference, but it is still annoying as hell in action games like Super Stardust HD.

My PS3 controller hasn't disconnected in quite a while. In fact I just played all the way through the GRAW2 single player and didn't have one disconnect.

Crazy. It seems to happen to me about once every couple hours of play. Thankfully, I've mostly been playing Persona 3 on it lately, so it doesn't matter there. My guess is that it has a lot to do with interference from other bluetooth devices. Seeing as I live in an apartment complex with about five other apartments within bluetooth range, each housing between two and six college students, there is a lot of opportunity for bluetooth interference where I live. As such, both the PS3 and the Wii give me frequent troubles with controller sync. At least the Wii recognizes the disconnects and pauses the game, though. Sony really needs to at least patch the firmware so that it does that.

It really boggles my mind when I try to think of why both companies didn't just develop their own proprietary wireless communication protocols like Microsoft did. Even though it works on the same frequencies, I never have these problems with the Xbox controllers. I know they saved money by just sticking to an established protocol, but any amount of usability testing should have proven that bluetooth simply wasn't reliable enough for the task.

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I've never had the PS3 controller disconnect on me, so far at least.

zeroKFE wrote:
It really boggles my mind when I try to think of why both companies didn't just develop their own proprietary wireless communication protocols like Microsoft did. Even though it works on the same frequencies, I never have these problems with the Xbox controllers. I know they saved money by just sticking to an established protocol, but any amount of usability testing should have proven that bluetooth simply wasn't reliable enough for the task.

I remember MS getting thrashed by some people (not necessarily here) for going proprietary instead of Bluetooth. I believe they were called greedy and M$ was thrown around.

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Clips on easily!

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*Legion* wrote:
I've never had the PS3 controller disconnect on me, so far at least.

zeroKFE wrote:
It really boggles my mind when I try to think of why both companies didn't just develop their own proprietary wireless communication protocols like Microsoft did. Even though it works on the same frequencies, I never have these problems with the Xbox controllers. I know they saved money by just sticking to an established protocol, but any amount of usability testing should have proven that bluetooth simply wasn't reliable enough for the task.

I remember MS getting thrashed by some people (not necessarily here) for going proprietary instead of Bluetooth. I believe they were called greedy and M$ was thrown around.

Well, greedy or no, they sure made a hell of a controller. Never had a disconnect, interference, battery issue, etc. on the 360. They can have a few extra of my dollars for the kind of quality and ergonomics they got with their controller.

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*scratches head* So anyone that already bought a PS3 is out of luck?

Sony needs to STFU from now on. Seriously.

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WaveBird anyone?

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Surprise, surprise.

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Tokyo, September 20, 2007 – Sony Computer Entertainment Inc. (SCEI) today announced that it would release DUALSHOCK®3 Wireless Controller, a new controller for PLAYSTATION®3 (PS3®) incorporating a rumble feature, in Japan in November as a separately sold accessory. It inherits the basic design and functionality of the popular PlayStation® controller, while keeping the high-precision, high response motion sensitive six-axis sensing system. Introduction to North American and European markets is expected in spring 2008.

The added rumble feature, combined with the highly realistic motion sensitive six-axis sensing system, takes gamers deeper into the world of interactivity, delivering a more intuitive, realistic and immersive game play experience. The new controller will also benefit PS3 content creators, by giving them the ability to further expand their creative imagination. PS3 titles that are already in the market may become compatible with the rumble feature through software update.

With DUALSHOCK 3 and the attractive lineup of PS3 titles incorporating the rumble feature, SCEI will introduce more new ways of enjoyment that can only be found on PS3, and will further redefine the world of entertainment.


Also, quite a list of games like Resident Evil 5 or MGS4 that, of course, will support rumble. And selected available games such as Resistance or Heavenly Sword will be patched.

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I'd like to assume that this will be made the default controller as soon as it begins production and they run dry on old PS3 stock, not a simple move to please the vocal minority of the internet. I just wonder when they'll start shipping in box.

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In Phil Harrison's defense this issue was brought up right after the Immersion lawsuit was settled while he was being interviewed by 1Up for their video podcast. In a surprising amount of honesty he came right out and said something along the lines of, "We were in the middle of litigation so what else could we say?"

Of course, just to show that he is a Sony executive, he was a dick about it.

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Asz wrote:
I just wonder when they'll start shipping in box.

The day they start shipping it in the box is the day i buy a PS3

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Duoae wrote:
The day they start shipping it in the box is the day i buy a PS3

Because you want to buy the last of the stock with the non-rumble controller?

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With DUALSHOCK 3 and the attractive lineup of PS3 titles incorporating the rumble feature, SCEI will introduce more new ways of enjoyment that can only be found on PS3, and will further redefine the world of entertainment.

Yep, rumbling controllers is surely a new way to enjoy games that can only be found on the PS3... *rolleyes*

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Blurpty durpty durp.

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Chumpy_McChump wrote:
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With DUALSHOCK 3 and the attractive lineup of PS3 titles incorporating the rumble feature, SCEI will introduce more new ways of enjoyment that can only be found on PS3, and will further redefine the world of entertainment.

Yep, rumbling controllers is surely a new way to enjoy games that can only be found on the PS3... *rolleyes*

Neat how they go from "it's a last-gen feature" to "we're re-defining gaming!"

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My controller disconnects at least once no matter what game I'm playing, and at times it'll get stuck moving in one direction which is really irritating.

My biggest complaints about the Sixaxis are the problems a lot of people seem to have, connectivity issues, the damn thing is just way too light I feel like I'm going to break it, the thumbsticks don't feel right and those triggers feel cheap too. Hopefully a lot of those issues will be taken care of with the new controller.

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My controller disconnects at least once no matter what game I'm playing, and at times it'll get stuck moving in one direction which is really irritating.

Yeah, that's the disconnect behavior I was talking about. Again, I'm pretty sure it has to do with bluetooth interference (but I could easily be wrong).

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NomadHeretic wrote:
at times it'll get stuck moving in one direction which is really irritating.

I've had that problem with PS2 controllers. Does it differ in some way?

I say just go with third-party controllers. Most of the first-party controllers I've had have gone kapoopy fairly quickly (at least the ones from Sony - haven't had much of a problem from the big N's controllers - I still have SNES and NES controllers that work ).

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I'm waiting for Logitech to come out with PS3 controller. Their PS2 Wireless was way... by a mile way better than what came with the system.

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zeroKFE wrote:
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My controller disconnects at least once no matter what game I'm playing, and at times it'll get stuck moving in one direction which is really irritating.

Yeah, that's the disconnect behavior I was talking about. Again, I'm pretty sure it has to do with bluetooth interference (but I could easily be wrong).

It may be something to do with bluetooth, my cell phone and computer both have bluetooth connections so it's possible something's scrambling things up.

dhelor wrote:
NomadHeretic wrote:
at times it'll get stuck moving in one direction which is really irritating.

I've had that problem with PS2 controllers. Does it differ in some way?

I can't say I've ever had it happen with a PS2 controller, at least nothing to this degree. I'll be playing Warhawk and suddenly be stuck in a weird loop for a few seconds or in Resistance my character will just start spinning in circles. And it's also gotten me killed plenty of times in Ninja Gaiden Sigma.

dhelor wrote:
I say just go with third-party controllers. Most of the first-party controllers I've had have gone kapoopy fairly quickly (at least the ones from Sony - haven't had much of a problem from the big N's controllers - I still have SNES and NES controllers that work ).

Most of my first party controllers have been fairly sturdy, I lost a PS1 controller but that was admittedly my fault as I smashed it in a fit of rage after a particularly cheap match in Soul Edge.

And good call on the Nintendo controllers, I've never had Nintendo hardware of any sort fail on me, my original NES still works to this day.

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zeroKFE wrote:
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My controller disconnects at least once no matter what game I'm playing, and at times it'll get stuck moving in one direction which is really irritating.

Yeah, that's the disconnect behavior I was talking about. Again, I'm pretty sure it has to do with bluetooth interference (but I could easily be wrong).

Bluetooth is a terrible choice for wireless controllers. I can't recall the number of times that windows would lose connection of my bluetooth mouse and refuse to reconnect it without doing something drastic like removing the batteries, disconnecting the bluetooth dongle, etc.

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IIRC, the Wiimote also uses Bluetooth, and we've never had any sort of problems with those things so far, not even during frenetic MP sessions.

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Asz wrote:

Bluetooth is a terrible choice for wireless controllers. I can't recall the number of times that windows would lose connection of my bluetooth mouse and refuse to reconnect it without doing something drastic like removing the batteries, disconnecting the bluetooth dongle, etc.

The only time I even TOUCHED a PS3 I got a horrible case of the bluetooth dongles. I'm not picking up that controller again without gloves.

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