Is the "surge" working?

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In anticipation of the September report by General Petraeus, I pose the question "is the 'surge' working?".

By that, I am specifically interested in whether or not our temporary increase in troops to Iraq and the change in tactics taken are positively affecting a political solution that we find both necessary and sufficient for us to withdraw from Iraq in the long term. Does the "surge" create legitimacy in a secular central government with a monopoly on the use of force? Does it reduce factionalism in a political environment that is spiralling toward an open civil war? Does it "stand up" a central authority that is capable of holding the country together AND look after our interests in the region as an ally after we leave?

The above paragraph is, in my humble opinion, the very bare minimum we should accept as "victory" in Iraq considering the considerable sacrifice made by a narrow class of Americans (and considerable number of non-Americans in American uniforms).

I suspect that Bush and his dwindling supporters will blow a lot of chaff regarding how the "surge" has resulted in fewer attacks on American contractors and/or other meaningless statistics, but none of that matters one iota if it doesn't positively affect the grand strategic objective. Bottom line is whether or not the surge is making the Iraqi people believe in a central government with a monopoly on the use of force that is friendly to our interests OR whether they are increasingly factionalized and see the only legitimate authority in the hands of sectarian factions, regional warlords, and/or conficting ideologies. Anything else is meaningless window dressing.

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I heard Petraeus say something the other day about how we're doing great against AQ now. Which sounds great until you realize that AQ has never been a major force in Iraq, and that the Army has in the past mostly downgraded the effect of their operations there relative to local sunni and shiite insurgent/militia groups. He also indicated recently that we'd have to be there for years to reach our goals, and since he must know that a long-term commitment is looking like a political impossibility.

So my current guess is that the plan is to focus on creating a narrow victory over AQ in Iraq by arming and buying off local sunni tribal leaders, and then withdrawing to let the two sides battle it out.

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I heard Petraeus say something the other day about how we're doing great against AQ now. Which sounds great until you realize that AQ has never been a major force in Iraq, and that the Army has in the past mostly downgraded the effect of their operations there relative to local sunni and shiite insurgent/militia groups. He also indicated recently that we'd have to be there for years to reach our goals, and since he must know that a long-term commitment is looking like a political impossibility.

So my current guess is that the plan is to focus on creating a narrow victory over AQ in Iraq by arming and buying off local sunni tribal leaders, and then withdrawing to let the two sides battle it out.

I suspect you are right on the money there. Arming the Sunni militias may make our "allies" in Saudi Arabia happier about the whole situation, but it is really not a solution so much as a last act of defiance against a Shiite majority. I mentioned this numerous times before, but it bears repeating. It is really just flushing cement down the toilets on the way out of town since it assures an armed sectarian faction the ability to affect greater bloodshed in an eventual civil war.

AQ in Iraq may make for great press here in the US, but the reality on the ground is that they have very little influence among Iraqis. They are pretty much the political wing of our Sunni "allies" -- effectively Right Wing death squads in the mold of so many Latin American proxy wars. Think of them as Saudi-backed "contras". Our political confusion regarding their influence and significance may play well for the Fox Nuisance crowd, but they are little more than a side story.

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So my current guess is that the plan is to focus on creating a narrow victory over AQ in Iraq by arming and buying off local sunni tribal leaders, and then withdrawing to let the two sides battle it out.

Which is, if you think about it, exactly how a Al Qaeda came about to be in first place -- through US achieving a narrow victory over Soviet occupation in Aghanistan by arming tribal leaders and buying off local warlords, who were then left to their own devices.

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So my current guess is that the plan is to focus on creating a narrow victory over AQ in Iraq by arming and buying off local sunni tribal leaders, and then withdrawing to let the two sides battle it out.

Which is, if you think about it, exactly how a Al Qaeda came about to be in first place -- through US achieving a narrow victory over Soviet occupation in Aghanistan by arming tribal leaders and buying off local warlords, who were then left to their own devices.

Yup. And the above is precisely why we should be cooperating with Iran rather than obstructing their progress. They appear to be the only outside force capable of affecting a solution we can live with: a stable Iraq with a central government with a monopoly on the use of force. It may not play well in Tel Aviv or Mecca, but it's a hell of a lot better than the Talibanistan or Yugoslaugherteria that we seem to be creating.

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Opium production in Afghanistan is at record levels, I guess you could call that success.

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Opium production in Afghanistan is at record levels, I guess you could call that success.

And they've managed to raise production during wartime. I admire their "can-do" spirit.

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Opium production in Afghanistan is at record levels, I guess you could call that success.

And they've managed to raise production during wartime. I admire their "can-do" spirit.

How does "Rosie the Opium Poppie Harvester" translate out to?

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How does "Rosie the Opium Poppie Harvester" translate out to?

I don't know. Something like this?

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I'd be interested to hear Pigpen's take on the surge. Y'know, since he's over there and all.

This was posted on the New York Times' Op-Ed page about a month ago regarding the surge. Definitely not a glowing propogandized government report, and it still asks some hard questions at the end, but it details some successes that have happened as a result of the surge, and it certainly doesn't consign it to abject failure from the get-go.

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From what I understand, in IRAQ, mind, not Afghanistan, we're making serious gains against AQ, who have almost completely alienated themselves from the Iraqi people, the Kurds are doing wonderfully (except for the "everyone else hate hate hate hate hates us" part), but the problem now, is the sectarian violence. That isn't working out the way we'd hoped.

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From what I understand, in IRAQ, mind, not Afghanistan, we're making serious gains against AQ, who have almost completely alienated themselves from the Iraqi people, the Kurds are doing wonderfully (except for the "everyone else hate hate hate hate hates us" part), but the problem now, is the sectarian violence. That isn't working out the way we'd hoped.

Once again, it appears, at least to me, that AQII is really nothing more than a red herring. Of all the folks killed or captured by American forces in Iraq, fewer than 1% have been AQII. The vast majority have been Sunni tribals or Iraqi nationalists. By in large, until recently, we've pretty much left the Kurds and Shiites alone.

The problem of sectarian violence is certainly a big one, but it is merely symptomatic. The REAL issue is that no one save a few deluded folks living in the Green Zone honestly believes that the central government amounts to anything but a VERY perishable American puppet regime. No one regards it with anything approaching legitimacy and THEREFORE they look for security in whichever strongman is able to protect them and provide them basic services. The ones that have succeeded are folks like SCIRI, Sadr, PKK, and others in their ilk (mostly along the Hezbollah model btw).

The moment a state run hospital goes up, the factions run in, kill the political hack administrators and claim it as a sectarian facillity. If it looks like the Americans want to fight for it, they dynamite the whole mess and disappear into the woodwork. It isn't in the interest of anyone with the muscle to affect politics to go with the American program.

In an ironic way, the statistics Bush will undoubtably raise as evidence of a successful "surge" will probably be much more damning if examined with the requisite skeptism of the realist. There is a decrease in violence in places like Basra because they have succeeded in their ethnic cleansing. This is largely true of large parts of Baghdad as well. The "stability" comes from sectarian control and does more to undermine the legitimacy of the central government than even outright ethnic violence.

In the end, the political benchmarks are far more important than whatever lame statistics Bush will try to flog. And frankly, we aren't anywhere close to showing progress.

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The "stability" comes from sectarian control and does more to undermine the legitimacy of the central government than even outright ethnic violence.

The scenario of Taliban ascendance.

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With Bush showcasing his "surge success" in Anbar, I thought I'd bump this up.

Backing the Sunni militias in Anbar has, effectively, legimitated the actions of ethnic cleansers. If this "security" is supposed to get us closer to an acceptable political solution, why aren't we supplying guns to the Janjawid?

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I noted how CNN this morning played his trip up, but no mention of how things have suddenly improved. To my knowlege, none of the major news outlets are looking under the hood of this new "strategy for stability", and they all seem to be accepting the statements that it is the troop surge that is working.

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I noted how CNN this morning played his trip up, but no mention of how things have suddenly improved. To my knowlege, none of the major news outlets are looking under the hood of this new "strategy for stability", and they all seem to be accepting the statements that it is the troop surge that is working.

Yup. It's extremely disappointing. I would generally expect this sort of whitewash from Fox, but the lack of curiosity from the other outlets seems almost Soviet.

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Interesting Newsweek piece regarding an alternate explanation for the incremental decrease in violence in certain regions.

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Before I post this, let me state that I'm admittadly too ignorant to have a real opinion on this. I follow it, but for some reason, something's not clicking. I'm just trying to add to the discussion.

Our nation's premier publication, the Wall Stree Journal, had a front page story on the new strategy that is apparently working in Iraq now. To summarize, the US is giving money to local strongmen that promise to bring civility to their region and essentially bypassing the central government, the very government they claim to put so much faith in. The short term results seem to be great (according to this article), but I can't imagine this is a good thing in the long term.

Some selected excerpts (it's a pay site):

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After almost four years of trying to build Iraq's central government in Baghdad, the U.S. has found that what appears to work best in the divided country is just the opposite. So senior military officials are increasingly working to strengthen local players who are bringing some measure of stability to their communities. The new approach bears some striking similarities to the "soft partition" strategy pushed by senior Democrats, and suggests that despite the often bitter debate in Washington on Iraq policy, a broad consensus on how to move ahead in the war-torn country may be forming.
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When Gen. David Petraeus and Ambassador Ryan Crocker deliver their much-anticipated report to Congress next week they are likely to acknowledge little progress toward achieving these goals which had been central to President Bush's Iraq strategy. But they are also certain to point to big gains at the local level, in places like Anbar province, where violence has plummeted. At Gen. Petraeus's urging, Mr. Bush is also expected to announce a new infusion of aid to the Sunni Arab regions. The aid, which comes on top of $125 million pumped into the province so far this year, would be given directly to local leaders, instead of passing through the central government in Baghdad.
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Increasingly commanders in Iraq say that their pessimism and frustration with the current Iraqi government, under the leadership of Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, have led them to focus more intensely on efforts to build up local security forces and funnel reconstruction projects through local sheiks. "The problems in Iraq are going to be stopped from the ground up, not from the top down," says Maj. Gen. Rick Lynch, who commands U.S. forces in the mixed Sunni-Shiite area south of Baghdad. "At the national level you still get sectarian decisions being made, so you work on building capacity from the ground up."
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In the latest move in the strategy, American commanders are trying to export recent success co-opting Sunni sheiks to the much more strategically important Shiite tribes. American commanders for the first time are pushing these leaders to turn against extremists from their own sect, much like U.S. officers have convinced Sunni chiefs to turn against Sunni extremists in places like Anbar. Among the Shiite tribes south of Baghdad, the Americans' weapon of choice has become the "concerned citizens" agreement. A typical deal involves the U.S. forking over a monthly payment of $350 per tribal guard willing to fight. The money is channeled through local sheiks who in return promise to keep their areas safe from attacks against Americans.

Conversely, senior military officials are worrying less about the dysfunctional central government that has been the focus of so much effort in the U.S. military and political strategy over the last three years. The change is the simple outgrowth of what the summer surge of more than 30,000 troops into Iraq has wrought. The U.S. has been most successful in areas where it has taken an intensely local approach, working with local leaders who share U.S. goals.

The logical result of the new policy is a profound shift away from the Bush administration's original goal of building a multisectarian democracy in the heart of the Middle East. Instead, the new strategy seems likely to lead to an Iraq with a very weak central government and largely self-governing and homogenous regions. Over the long term the goal is to connect these local leaders to the central government by making them dependent on Baghdad for funds. To qualify for U.S. assistance, local groups must pledge loyalty to the central government, though many Sunni leaders who are working with the U.S. complain the Shiite dominated government is illegitimate.

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Bassa,

I think you get it just fine. We are, in effect, paying local street gangs to "keep order" in neighborhoods at the expense of the legitimacy of the central government. It's not a lot different than paying the Bloods and the Crips to rule L.A.

That said, it appears that the real story here is that we seem to be concentrating our efforts among the Sunni militias. If my deeply cynical side is right (and it often is), Bush's brain trust may actually be looking for the next Saddam among the Sunnis. They need us more than we need them since their continued existance is largely dependent on American forebearance and Shiite disorganization. If either were to run in short supply, it is pretty clear they would, at the very least, become politically and economically marginalized and possibly far worse.

The cold-hearted geopolitician in me is secretly saying "it's about freaking time", though I think the effort is far too little and far too late. The Sunnis are not nearly strong enough to put the Shiites back under their heels and the Shiites are far too emboldened by their recent gains to live under servitude again.

In the end, Bush will opt for the half-assed middle ground -- one that neither supports the Sunnis enough to dominate nor weakens them enough to force them to negotiate away their position of privilege to the Shiites. And the ferocity of the resultant civil war will be entirely on his shoulders.

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And the ferocity of the resultant civil war will be entirely on his shoulders.

You mean it isn't already?

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Advisors tell Bush "stay the course" ahead of the report from Petraeus and Crocker. Weren't we waiting to hear from these guys before we made any decisions?

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Weren't we waiting to hear from these guys before we made any decisions?

Word is, Petraeus's report was written in the White House. That's the Beltway wonk rumor, anyway.

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Word is, Petraeus's report was written in the White House. That's the Beltway wonk rumor, anyway.

The report was written a long time ago. The report has always been the same. It always WILL be the same. Don't we all know that it will acknowledge setbacks but note that the latest strategy shows signs of promise and that only the firm commitment of American power to Iraq will stave off a disaster of staggering proportions, both to the Iraqi people and to U.S. prestige around the world?

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Whoa. My head was spinning there for a moment, Funken.

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I'd be interested to hear Pigpen's take on the surge. Y'know, since he's over there and all.

This was posted on the New York Times' Op-Ed page about a month ago regarding the surge. Definitely not a glowing propogandized government report, and it still asks some hard questions at the end, but it details some successes that have happened as a result of the surge, and it certainly doesn't consign it to abject failure from the get-go.


Glenn Greenwald did a pretty thorough job of discrediting that op-ed here and here.

Also, my favourite military curmudgeon William Lind on the chances of restoring an Iraqi state:

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As good news continues to flow from the "surge" – some of it true, some of it false and all of it spun – it is easy to forget the bottom line. The bottom line is whether or not we are beginning to see the re-emergence of a state in Iraq. Three recent news stories throw some light on that question, and it is not a favorable light.

The first, by Steven Hurst of the AP, ran in the August 26 Cleveland Plain Dealer under the title, "Sectarian violence in Iraq nearly double '06 level." Relying on the AP's own figures, the story reported that:

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* Iraq is suffering about double the number of war-related deaths throughout the country compared with last year – an average daily toll of 33 in 2006 and 62 so far this year.
* Nearly 1,000 more people have been killed in violence across Iraq in the first eight months of this year than in all of 2006
* Baghdad has gone from representing 76 percent of all civilian and police war-related deaths in Iraq in January to 52 percent in July, bringing it back to the same spot it was roughly a year ago.

Taken together, these figures illustrate an old saying about counter-insurgency, namely that it is like trying to pick up mercury. When counter-insurgency forces surge in one place, as we have in Baghdad, the insurgents roll someplace else. Meanwhile, the insurgency as a whole continues to grow.

The second story, "Militias Seizing Control of Electricity Grid" by James Glanz and Stephen Farrell, ran in the August 23 New York Times. It reports that:

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Armed groups increasingly control the antiquated switching stations that channel electricity around Iraq, the electricity minister said Wednesday.

That is dividing the national grid into fiefs that, he said, often refuse to share electricity generated locally with Baghdad and other power-starved areas in the center of Iraq"…

In some cases, Mr. Wahid and other Iraqi officials say, insurgents cut power to the capital as part of their effort to topple the government.

But the officials said it was clear that in other cases, local militias, gangs, and even some provincial military and civilian officials held on to the power simply to try to help their own areas.

The use of the term "fiefs" is a truth-teller of some importance. The rise of fiefdoms and the transfer of loyalty to local regions are signs of movement away from a state, not toward the re-emergence of an Iraqi state. That has already happened in Iraq with regard to security. The fact that it is now spreading even into distribution of electricity from what was once a national grid is not good news. Arguably, it tells us more about the general direction of Iraq than do claims of success from the "surge."

The third story, "Children Doing Battle in Iraq" from the August 27 Los Angeles Times, points to further long-term disorder in Iraq:

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Child fighters, once a rare presence on Iraq's battlefields, are playing a significant and growing role in kidnappings, killings and roadside bombings in the country, U.S. military officials say.

Boys, some as young as 11, now outnumber foreign fighters at U.S. detention camps in Iraq. Since March, their numbers have risen to 800 from 100"…

The rise of child fighters will eventually make the Iraq conflict more gruesome, said Peter W. Singer, a Brookings Institution expert on child fighters.

He said militant leaders often treat children as a cheap commodity, and peace will be less attainable because "conflict entrepreneurs" now have an established and pliable fighting force in their communities.

As we have seen in Africa, when children become fighters at an early age, they provide a pool of men who for at least a generation cannot do anything but fight. It is difficult to "de-program" them into peaceful citizens. In turn, this leads to what we might call "supply-side war," war driven largely by the presence of men who want to fight. This kind of half-war, half-brigandage swarmed over Europe during the interval between the end of the Middle Ages and the rise of the state. After Westphalia, the state put an end to it by rounding up the brigands and hanging them. In Iraq, where the fictional state cannot even round up kilowatts, supply-side war suggests that disorder will be rampant, and a state non-existent, for quite some time.

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(Your quoting kind of fell apart after the second article...edit - unless that's Lind speaking? I'm not quite sure which is his and which is yours in that quote section.)

The use of child fighters and the Balkanization of Iraq without government mandate makes me think of Somalia. But I believe Iraq's neighbors will intervene if things get that bad after we leave. I can't see them tolerating African model Lord's Army clones wandering around near their borders.

The next time we turtle up in Baghdad, it will be for good. We've gone from trying to control the whole country, to handing over parts of it and leaving outposts, and unless we opt for a re-conquest, the next step will be to pull our focus into Baghdad more and more as troop levels plateau and start to drop. The best that strong local leaders can do is counteract a vacuum in the central government, and that seems to me to be part of what we are preparing for.

If we can't tie the local leaders to the central government in meaningful ways, we've lost.

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Ah sorry, I was in a bit of a hurry when I posted that, and managed to forget that you can do nested quotes on this board. I edited in to make it clearer.

"The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one's time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all."

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WASHINGTON - President Bush's top two military and political advisers on Iraq will warn Congress on Monday that making any significant changes to the current war strategy will jeopardize the limited security and political progress made so far, The Associated Press has learned.

Surprise, surprise. No change in Iraq until Jan. 2009. Probably not after that, either. President Hillary will want to succeed where the Republicans failed, and she'll be arrogant enough to think she can.

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So the strategy that we said we would not do, helping the lesser of the two "evils", is paying some minor dividends, so we'll just keep doing that for awhile and see how it does long term?

I think the democratic president will copy Nixon's "Peace with Honor" strategy, we'll call it a draw, pull out, and let the civil war commence in full fury.

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