New PC or New X-Box 360?
To be or not to be, that is the question.
My PC is functionally obsolete. It has a nasty habit of burning out video cards too, so I've been debating on replacing it for some time now and had just settled on a new $1,350 replacement. You can find that thread here: http://www.gamerswithjobs.com/node/33851. But I got to thinking...should I buy a new PC or should I go with one of the new X-Box 360s?
I've been a PC gamer for a long time now - ever since the C-64s and the last time a console rocked my world it was the Atari 2600. Yes, I actually had an ET game and won it in about 2 hours. I currently have an X-Box, but my 7 year old son plays it a lot more than I do.
But I don't play a lot of technically challenging games. I'm a strategy/RPG/MMO player. Here's the issue: there's not a lot of games in the pipeline that look like they're worthwhile . Yes, Warhammer, Fallout 3 and Spore are must-haves, but they're all 2008. Hellgate looks really neat, but it's October 31st.
However, there are a number of games that I own now that I can't play on my existing system since I had to downgrade my video card: Simcity 4, LOTRO, COH and Titan Quest to name a few. Civ 4 BtS is doing just ok and stutters a lot in the late game. Heck, I even have to turn down the graphics a bit on KOTOR.
The 360 red ring o' death looks like it's been fixed and they just dropped in price. And there are quite a few games that I'd probably pick up: NCAA and/or Madden, Tiger Woods, NBA 2K8 (can you tell I'm jonesing for sports games?), Rock Hero (this looks awesome), Test Drive Unlimited and Viva Pinata. I'd list Gears of War, but it might make me motion sick. Not to mention Bioware's new Mass Effect coming out in November. Now I can pick up the 360 with quite a few of those games for around $650...or half of the new PC. That's a lot of entertainment, if I can get over not being a PC gamer. Also, my wife/son will get annoyed if I take over the TV to play the X-Box at all hours of the day and night.
But the overall games I really like are on the PC and I've always perferred the PC. And I'm worried about this one finally just giving up the ghost altogether, leaving me PC-less. I can't have that.
So I'm torn between two lovers and I'm not sure what to do. Should I buy the 360 and a bunch of games? Or should I buy a new PC to play what I already have (and can't play), even though there's nothing right now that's killing me to play.
I am so going to quote that out of context.


I would recommend a 360. But of course both have their merits.
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I'd say PC for now and pick up the 360 later down the road if affordable for you...
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If you want to get a 360 you might want to wait for the new, cooler Falcon chip set to hit. Of course, if you want a PC you might want to wait for the new DirectX 10.1 hardware to hit.
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A couple months ago I was faced with the same decision. I decided to get a new HDTV and a 360 for what it would have cost me to build a good computer. I'm exceptionally happy with the choice I made. Later on down the line I might still build a new PC; but that's probably a couple years down the line.
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Yeah it's getting more tempting to just get a 360 and do away with the pc headaches especially with the amount of crossover between the platforms.
However the games you said you'll like on the 360 seem to be quite different from the games you say you now enjoy on the pc. So I'm not sure the 360 is a great match for you because, if you do switch platforms, it seems like you'll be switching the type of games you'll play. There is no LOTOR, CoH, Civ4, SimCity, ...etc on the 360.
Switching suddenly to mostly sports games seems like a drastic change. Really if you want a few sports/racing games then you can buy those on the pc or pickup a PS2. But maybe you're ready to change your gaming habits because of the family.
Oh you probably don't need to spend $1350 for a new gaming pc. I would think with the parts you seem to have now you could do well with closer to half that.
Here's how I view it: everyone but the most hardcore, unemployed or picky gamers end up missing out on tons of games they want to play. Time is precious for everyone; choices have to be made. Provided you're willing to have some of those decisions made by the virtue of what sits in your living room, going console only is a great way to save both time (in terms of headaches, notwithstanding 360 failure rates) and money. You may not get to play Titan Quest, but you can afford to play Overlord with a pint of the finest beer sitting next to you.
I've been holding off upgrading my PC for over a year and am now considering just letting it die a natural death. I can certainly think of PC titles I'd like to play, there's dozens of games I haven't gotten around to playing on the consoles I do own.
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I'm a bit of a sports gamer as well, but PC sports games have been dead for years. But you're right, the type of games I like best aren't made on a console. This would be a no brainer for the PC except I'm not seeing those types of games coming out on the PC right now. And it seems that the PC and 360 games are growing closer.
This would be incorrect. There is nothing that can be used from my existing system in a new one. Mobo, RAM, case, chip, CD-ROM, power supply...nothing is reusable. And I could go cheaper, but if I'm going to spend the money, I want a system that'll last for 2-3 years.
I am so going to quote that out of context.
I would MUCH rather have a $350 Xbox 360 AND a $1000 PC instead of a $1350 PC, any day of the week.
I find it much better to buy an inexpensive system and progressively upgrade it, rather than trying to build something all at once that's supposed to last years. A $150 video card 2-3 years from now will smoke the $400 card you get now. You can buy a $150 card now, and replace it with a $150 card later, and have a better performing card at the end of the road than you would have with the expensive card now, and for $100 less. (I'm pulling numbers outta my ass here, but you get the concept).
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I endorse this message.. you'll get tons more fun out of a $350 Xbox 360 and a $1000 Gaming PC than a $1350 Gaming PC.. or hell even a $1450 Gaming PC.
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Do what I did and use the VGA cable to plug the 360 into your computer monitor.
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Get a VGA cord for the 360 and plug it into your now unused PC's monitor.
Edit: Make sure to get a newer, cooler 360.
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I say buy the 360 and and new HD TV!!!!
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I just got the 360 instead of a new PC, and the VGA adaptor. I don't feel bad about that decision at all: lots of great games, minimal fuss so far. Get the extended warrantee.
It's really tough to tell you what to do without my own bias coming out. I'm a PC gamer at heart, so how could I not suggest getting a PC? I'll echo the sentiment that given the right research you would likely be able to afford a $1000 PC and a $350 360.
It all comes down to games. There are a bunch of games on 360 that interest me, and like you I feel the pang of the sports gamer who's platform has left him to rot. That being said, I find the 360 has an immense sports/shooter bias, and once I take these two genres out of the equation the only game I'm really left wanting is Mass Effect. (Which will likely be ported to PC in a year. I can wait.) To me, it's just not worth it. Your tastes may differ, which is why it's difficult to make a reccomendation.
Here's a thought: if you want to play the 360 mostly for sports games, why not get a Core? I know it's the "'tard pack", but it could serve it's purpose and give you the best of both worlds.
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Now that MS has extended the red ring coverage to 3 years, I don't see any point in throwing money at an extended warranty.
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Now that the Core and Premium are even closer in price ($70 difference instead of $100), this makes even less sense. You still need a memory unit to save games, which is $30 for the 64MB cheapie. Now you're only $40 apart and you get no hard drive, not enough save space to take advantage of stuff like Xbox Live Arcade, and a wired controller?
It's called the "tard pack" for a reason. It's gotten even more retarded since the price drop.
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I've always had both. Just some games I enjoy better on a console, and some I enjoy better on the PC. Before xbox live it use to be that the console was for when friends came over, and the PC was for gaming online. Now the 360 really has that covered to the point that I pretty much use the PC for morpgs.
The PC I have right now was bought in 2000, and I've upgraded it as much as I could. If I didn't have the 360 I would have probably bought a new PC by now. I still want to get a new PC, but it just seems like I've waited this long I might as well wait some more. There hasn't been a PC game in a while that has really grabbed me enough that I just had to get a new PC so I could play it.
Maybe once Age of Conan, or Tabula Rasa comes out I'll finally upgrade.
So pretty much I agree with Legion, GameGuru, and everyone else. Getting both sounds like a good idea.
Well, it's not $350 and $1000 or $1350.
It's $650 for the 360 and some games to get started. NCAA and/or Madden ($60), Tiger Woods 2K7 ($30), NBA 2K8 ($60, or $20 for 2K7), Guitar Hero ($90), Test Drive Unlimited ($40) and Viva Pinata ($30) = about $650. Then again, that's a lot of entertainment value. Not to mention other possibles like Gears of War, Marvel Alliance and some sort of fighting game.
Somehow I feel that by buying a 360, I'm cheating on my true entertainment mistress - the PC. She's been my #1 entertainment choice for over 20 years now. At the same time, with the possible exception of Hellgate, I don't see anything coming out in the next few months that really excites me. I'd mostly be buying a new PC to play older games - CoH, Titan Quest and Simcity 4.
I suppose I'm leaning towards the 360. It's less expensive and I should get a lot more new entertainment out of it. It'd be a no brainer if the 360 had a good, deep RPG on it. Oh well...whichever way I go, it won't be until next weekend since I'm too busy this week to play anything anyway.
I am so going to quote that out of context.
Oh, as an aside, what's the "buy a 360 only after this manufacturing date" for getting a 360? In other words, after x date they have the new heat sink and such to prevent the RRoD?
I am so going to quote that out of context.
Unless you are a hardcore RTS/MMO player then I'd say go with the 360. Remember with a console you can always rent games so that will also save you some money in the long run as well.
If you haven't played Oblivion yet then that will do nicely for your "deep RPG" needs. Should be able to find a copy of that somewhat cheap now. Also remember Fallout 3 will be coming to the 360.
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I think July 07 is HDMI, 65nm chips and new heat sink. I can't remember the cutoff date for just the new heat sink.
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Madden, Tiger Woods, NBA LIve and NHL HOckey are still released for the pc. Viva Pinata and Gears of War are going to see pc releases this fall as well.
Yep great point here. He can have his cake and eat it too. If I was thinking about spending $1350 on a gaming pc I would do this instead.
Yep that's the best way to do it especially if you're watching your money. And you can resell your old card on Ebay and get something for it.
I need to have a PC at home, so I see my PC less as a gaming machine than a machine that can play games in addition to its other jobs. (I'm also a big fan of being able to save games at any point rather than the console's tendency towards using checkpoints/save points). If you prefer strategy or hardcore RPG, the PC seems like the preeminent platform for those. There seems to be a bigger variety of types of games for the PC than the 360, too.
But I don't see buying a 360 as a bad idea if there are a bunch of games on it that you want to play. Buy the machine, then just rent the titles you like. You don't even need to sign up for LIVE if you don't care about multiplayer.
The rumor is the new ones don't include the 65 nm, but I think they do the heat sink. Look for a box that says it has the HDMI port. That'll get you the newer models.
I used to be predominantly PC, mostly for shooters and such. But, the sports games and ever-improving shooters brought me to the Xbox. I love the 360, and I haven't played a game on my PC in over a year.
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The 360 has several other failure points besides the GPU or CPU becoming unseated from their BGA sockets which aren't covered. Most common seem to be the DVD drive and video subsystem. While it is entirely possible that the new heatsink might fix these problems as well, seeing as they almost undoubtedly heat related, we won't really know until they've been out in the wild a bit longer. I'd still get the extended warranty.
That's only because you are buying everything up front. My cost, for example, was $450 for the Elite+$13 for a VGA adapter on Amazon+Gears of War+Extended Warantee=$583.
Then I started buying low priced Xbox titles to fill out my catalog: Halo 2, Ghost Recon, GRAW, GTA III, Vice City, San Andreas, Fable, Jade Empire were all <$15 a piecc shipped via Amazon. Most ran in the $5 range.
The only other new title that I have picked up since purchasing the Elite is Dance Dance Revolution Ultimate Pack, which is well worth it.
That was my thought as well: what is coming out in the next year, next 2 years, that I really want to play, and what do I have to upgrade to get them to run. When you start to realize that all the AAA titles coming up (Bioshock, GTA IV, Halo 3, Crysis, etc.) are all cross platform then the question really gets tricky.
The one area where the 360 fails is in MMOs. The only one available is Final Fantasy...I really wish that Guild Wars, for example, was ported over. Supposedly NCSoft is going to bring something to the 360, but I am not holding my breath.
Bethesda is supposed to be re-releasing Oblivion with both expansion packs this fall...I am waiting for that. There must be 200 hours of role playing in there. Fable 2 is in development, and I am finding Jade Empire and Fable to be adequate to sate my Role Playing jones for now. It's not as bad for RPGers on the 360 as it looks.
Oblivion =
(I have it for the PC)
Fable =
Jade Empire =
(I played it on the XBox)
Fable 2 = ?
Fallout 4 =
I am so going to quote that out of context.
Both expansion packs? Know something I don't?
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