WoW-Fury Warrior Question
Tuesday, August 7th, 2007 - 12:26pm
Ok so last night I finally got my main up to 70...here's the question, is there any room for a dps fury warrior in end game material. Not necessarily just raiding, heroics and the like as well? I see the obvious utility in tanking and I did my fair share of it in all the instances prior to the end game, but I really don't like doing it. Any advice or info anyone has is appreciated.
Thanks.
PSN ID: Harbinger01
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Elysium wrote:
I want to make babies with Diablo III.
I have never been a fan of the cookie cutter groups that the top 10% of WoW players use or dictate that everyone use in order to progress through content. Yes, if you want to have an easier time then by all means go that route but my guild has always done our own thing. We would get a group together than make it work. It may take a few tries to get the learning curve to work in our favor but eventually would get it and it would be a more satisfying victory in our eyes.
Now I said all that to say this. If you have a good group they will find a spot for you regardless of spec. And I do believe the people here are of the same sort that seem to go against the grain at times so I think it won't be so bad. Go with what you like and make it work for you. Because if you can make your toon work well with the group the mobs/bosses will fall like bowling pins.
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(first post, long time lurker)
I've been playing a warrior since beta (of the original WoW), in every aspect of the game, from PvP to end game raiding, so i've kinda been around the block, as it were, with the class.
There's definetly room for a DPS warrior in end game. In KZ, *most* fights are single tank fights. Most groups will bring 2 to 3 people who can tank, but only one of those is the main tank. The other two are actually a hindrance to the group if they can't DPS (or heal in the case of a pali or a druid maybe) when they're not tanking. Fights like Curator, Maiden, Shade, are DPS races with only one tank, or, in the case of shade, no tank.
In 25 man raids it's kinda the same story. Lots of single tank fights, or fights where you might only tank for part of the fight. When you're not tanking, if you can't DPS, you're kinda dead weight.
In heroics it can be a slightly different story. Because you only have 5 people, there might not be room for someone who can't heal, can't CC, and isn't tanking. That isn't to say it can't be done, and a DPS warrior has his utility too (being able to OT, doesn't just immediately die if he gets aggro). It's just that, with only 5 people, it is harder to make a case for a DPS warrior. Most heroics end up with a tank, a main healer, and off healer, and a pair of DPS who can CC (rogue with a sap, 2 mages, mage and a lock, etc).
Also; specing fury doesn't mean you can't tank. You could take a hybrid spec, like a 0/41/20, or a 5/41/15 spec, and do pretty darn well, with a group that's smart.
We've yet to run with a fury warrior in Kara, as well as any warlock. Unorthodox tactics work great, as we typically run with a Prot Pally and Feral Druid tanking. During Maiden, pally offheals, and during curator, there's a good chance the druid will dps. However, there have been a few pulls we've done where having a warrior would come in handy (not for tanking either). Interrupts are good to have on any casting mob, same with disarm, and like others have said, a few of the mobs are dps races. Even on the earlier stuff like Attumen and Moroes, guides suggest a warrior of any kind for those two abilities. Shouts help out the MT and OT as well.
So yes, there is room for a fury warrior in endgame material.
Copingsaw wrote:
Super K - The "Anti-Wipe"
the key here is theres "ROOM" for you in end game material but not DEMAND. Not really. Thats the key here. You'll be hard pressed to ever get a pub 5 man anything, and if you want to raid you'll have to find a guild with some friends, or a very relaxed guild at least, or conversely a hardcore guild probly wouldnt mind since they just farm anyway.
Who wouldn't want to be in a good guild, period?
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You must play with some closeminded people.
@OP: My roomate is a full on Fury warrior. He's a decent tank, although being undergeared presents more of a problem than his spec as far as 5 mans and heroics goes. On the DPS side of the house, he's a rogue in plate, plain and simple. If that isn't worth having, then I don't know what is.
Coldstream wrote:
Wow you guys rock this is way more help than I thought I would get. Another problem is that I am practically on a ghost server: The Scryers. It happend because of that server split threat from blizzard, there are only a few guilds here so I don't really know if any of them are as open minded as you guys, getting geared to just start getting geared is hard because the AH has an extremely limited selection and getting 5 man groups is hard due to low population. *sigh*
sorry had to vent that lol.
So needless to say I am considering a server transfer. Do you guys have a horde guild or one of likeminded people?
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Elysium wrote:
I've done all the heroics except the Caverns of Time ones.. naturally never as a pug though.. but who in their right mind wants to pug anything let alone a heroic.. bleh. Much of the boss mechanics are naturally melee unfriendly (like the whole game) but in the end as long as you know what your doing a Fury brings just as much as anyother class to the table in a heroic... I just fully (and most of the time do) expect to die on most boss fights in heroics.. since I tell everyone not to waste heals on me unless its not an issue.. .so I just maximize my damage before dieing to AOE, Poison Volleys, Shadow bolt volleys.. whatever
Certainly in 10 and 25 man raids Fury warriors are always welcome.. you get good to spectacular DPS (depending on the fight) and a viable OT for trash pulls.. and in fights like Nightbane I load up on more DPS plate (I now basically wear mostly leather) than usual and whip out my shield and KD's to "tank" the Skeleton adds. Suddenly having 13K+ in armor.. a shield thats block almost 200 and defensive stance makes the skelly mobs almost trivial as magically you've got 2 tanks now controlling the skeleton adds and keeping them off the squishies.
I look forward to SSC and TK loot so I can once again be a Rogue in Plate.. all the Instance/Kara/Gruul Plate is pretty much Fury unfriendly.. I shudder to think what my +hit would be in all plate... not to mention how crappy T4 is for Fury Warriors.. the Helm is pretty much the only viable piece.
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Baelgun is where the majority of GWJ hang out horde side I hear
Copingsaw wrote:
Super K - The "Anti-Wipe"
Ah! The Scryers. I had a character there until a couple months ago, a hunter. I transfered him because I couldn't even find a couple people to do quests with, much less 5 mans. The AH there is a joke too. It's empty. My main is on Argent Dawn, so I just transfered my hunter there. If I were you i'd definetly get off that server, unless you have a line into the handful of guilds that seem to have enough people to get anything done.
As a dps warrior you have to pay special attention to your gear to make sure you get the DPS to stay viable. No one wants a dps warrior if you can't dps. As pointed out by Guru he's wearing leathers to get what he needs. I've met some guys who wouldn't dare strap a piece of leather on.
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I've seen folks do it both ways, with the same toon even. It all comes down to whether or not you're willing to look at armor as being just another stat.
Personally speaking with my Shaman, I'm not willing to do that.
Coldstream wrote:
If that was true then Warriors (and Shaman) wouldnt be able to wear Leather.. it would be removed from our list.. since it isnt.. Blizzard obviously must be designing it with us in mind.
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You're talking as though you disagree, yet saying the same thing. My point is that since armor points on leather vs plate vs mail varies, it's just another stat, no different from hit, crit, agi, str, stam or anything else. You seem to be saying the same thing, since you can wear up to plate as a warrior, up to mail as a Shaman. My bit at the end is that even though I could wear leather for better DPS stats, I'm not willing to wear less than mail.
Coldstream wrote:
No I got that.. but why? Obviously like I said since Blizzard allows Shamans (and Warriors) to wear Leather so they must be designing it with Warriors and Melee Shaman in mind.. hell.. even some of the healing leather bits are better for Resto Shaman.
Unless its purely an aesthetic reason..which I totally understand.
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85's face the truth you're too dumb.
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I am all about aesthetics, baby.
Coldstream wrote:
lol Blizzard shot aesthetics from day one. Everyone is used to the looks now and when the game first came out technically it was above par still aesthetically it was gross looking. Only way out is the tier sets and some of them are questionable.
Edit: rebuilt a sentence.
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Yeah honestly its sometimes pretty hard to tell the difference between Plate, Mail and Leather... especially on an Orc.
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85's face the truth you're too dumb.
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Put me in the group of people who care about what their armor looks like. I"m to a point in the game now where all I look at is stats (because some of the Outland instances are challenging enough that I need to), but there was a time when I passed on cloaks that I knew I wouldn't wear because they were ugly.
Az's color scheme is now silver, green, and blue, but I miss the days when it was red, silver, and blue.
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are you kidding me? are you trying to suggest the majority of wow isnt exactly that?
have to be careful though when selecting leather or a lower armor based group because the simple fact is that a dps warrior can create enormous ammounts of threat from the insane daage warriors are capable of...since we don't really have any aggro dump ability short of: a.) not attacking any more (lame but necessary) b.) dying. Which in both of the cases we become useless, we really need to be able to mitigate a fair deal of damage.
So while you will get even more insane damage, you do indeed have to look at armor as just another stat and decide if the trade off is worth it, I suppose on a slot by slot basis. In any case I went protection, it's not as bad as I remember it and I am still learning how to manage threat and rage respectively for this new role. I have so far done well tanking Steam Vaults, Shadow Labs(damn that ogre), and Shattered Halls (including all the lower instances associated with these). I am saving up for my flying mount to start the tempest keep material and am getting a good set of gear together.
Like I was saying though it's important that you can mitigate some damage long enough for the tank to take and build up more threat than you, without that armor rating you will draw aggro and go splat.
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Elysium wrote:
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He mentions that he's PUGed instances using his unique style of play, which is by far weirder than a Fury Warrior. My total time in instances (as of level 66) with Warriors has been almost entirely with Fury/Arms Warriors, actually. I spent about 10 minutes in an Underbog PUG where I was supposed to OT (or something) with a Prot War (well, I'm assuming he was Prot), but then he lost connection and I got to tank after all - got some fabulous pants and Hatebringer out of it!
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Problem is that in most cases if you pull aggro your dead anyway.. theres very little room for that kind of play style once your out of the regular 5 man instances in WoW. All the plate in the world wont do you a hill of beans when a boss turns on you.. your basically one shotted.
But your point is valid though.. and certainly any good DPS warrior carries around several sets of gear.. I have for instance in addition to my tanking gear I have my DPS Plate gear that I load up on fights where I need to "DPS Tank" something.. that way I still do decent damage and have respectable armor to mitigate some of the incoming damage I'll take. This also allows me to whip out my Shield and Sword and switch to defensive stance to tank adds or keep several mobs off the clothies. (ex. Nightbane's Skeleton Breath phase)
Aint nothing new about the world order..it's been playing since the day they put George Washington on a quarter
85's face the truth you're too dumb.
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Man... back in my empyrian/maladath days fury warriors were the awesome. Nothing like recklessness and execute spam to put the rogues and mages to shame. It was also just dastardly against warlocks and shadowpriests.
Has it really changed?
so much fail -a triumph of lowbrow consistency
No the ability to do the damage is still there its just that itemization for end game warrior dps is really lame until you start getting into the heavy duty raiding. Hard to justify giving a dps warrior a spot if they don't have the gear to outshine other dps classes.
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Elysium wrote:
GameGuru - This my current spec. I plan on putting the final 4 points in Arms under Impale and 2H weapon specialization. I am currently wielding a 2H weopon and the extra crit would be nice. What do you think? As for weapons I prefer to duel faster 1H but the damage my 2H causes is very good at the moment. Ranges 800-1400 DPS and the occasional 400+ DPS
http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/character-talents.xml?r=Blackhand&n=Dh...
I find myself in Berserker Stance more often with the extra 10% attack power. I do have to carry a lot of food and such.....
Kung Fu wrote:
Excuse my ignorance but what do yo mean by this. Is this a macro that you use, if so can you show me? Thanks.
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Dhalvid - 70 Night Elf Warrior
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In my experience, yes. I don't count the vocal majority of the forums, and I could care less about the Joneses(Hardcore Raiders). Each of my last 3 guilds has had Non-healing Shaman, Druids, and Priests, all before TBC. We raided, with a moderate amount of success due more to lack of commitment than anything(ie, more commitment would have pushed us further)
My point is that just because they're loud on the forums, and you seem to run into them everywhere doesn't mean that's all you find.
Coldstream wrote:
This is the traditional 2H Fury spec @ 70
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/warrior/talents.html?3500030...
Now.. 2H Fury on paper is VERY attractive.. as you get all the good Fury tree dps talents (Imp Slam, Imp Execute, Imp. Whirlwind) PLUS not having to really worry about insane amounts of +hit gear.. meaning your free to stack AP and Crit knowing you really only need about +5% To hit and your +3% talent to never miss.. But.. and sadly.. theres a huge but..
its ridiculously hard to pull off. You need to be almost zen like in your timing of your normal swing timer and Slam. You need to watch your rage bar like a hawk all the while watching your swing timer to ensure maximum usage of your available rage.. since your Rage wont come quite as fast as your traditional dual wield Fury AND you have to time your slam's almost perfectly with your normal swings it becomes way to stressful for most people to use day in day out in 5 mans and raids..ESPECIALLY with all the chaos around you that you also have to watch out for in most boss fights.
I tried it for about a week and during the end of the week I was certainly better but I never felt that I was going to enjoy it and maximize it fully to be better than my usual 17/44 dual wield Fury.
I think I will try it again when I get some better gear and I can hit 2400 or so unbuffed AP and 5% to Hit.
When I tried it I was at 2002 AP unbuffed and 30.40% crit which really wasnt that much higher than my 1938 AP and 29.97% crit dual wield build.
Aint nothing new about the world order..it's been playing since the day they put George Washington on a quarter
85's face the truth you're too dumb.
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No need for a macro really... well, I did have one that was combined with a /yell "I am become death!!!" but that was more for my own edification. You just hit recklessness as soon as it lights up and jackhammer the execute button. When the emyprian was still a decent weapon the rage bar would fill up in a matter of seconds leading to nigh-on unholy dps levels. It's been about two years since I've played so I'm sure all the gear is horribly out of date and other folks would be far more informative on the subject.
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