Yeah I am a bit disheartened that they only upgraded the gear to 70 and left the weapons 60 level. I would have loved a lvl 70 GM Bow with its ridiculous < 2.0 AS. I am at work and can't look it up to see what speed it is, but I know it is below 2.0.

eh they have blue 70 weapons, or do you mean that theres no epic weapons? pretty sure thats to lure people into arena... other than that gameguru was spot on, theres now lots of 70 epics to blow your honor on. Save em for those. In fact if your not 70, i'd stop at 69 and pvp there for a good while. It'll be more fun, because you'll be stronger than alot of people who wander in, whereas you ding once you'll be fighting people in much better gear and its all uphill till you get some honor. Bank the honor in 60-69 bg's then ding and buy up.

Crazy - I've bought the incredibly sweet Pally trinket as well as both rings, which I've socketed. The trinket will stay with me for at least soloing, and at least one of the rings will stay on when I'm tanking - in other words, I'm very pleased with the payout.

PVP JUNKIE----------->>>>>>Crazyivan

Let me know in-game guys if you want any real-time info. Some nice cow smashing fun is always something I have time for.

WOOT!!!

If you didn't hear the first time....WOOT!!!
5v5 arena's make puppies jump for joy and makes the World turn..no pressure Az

Could you see a team with Sun, Az, Krin, Crazy and Cope. Three prot pallies a hunter and a spriest. About the only thing we could guarantee is that our matches would last a long time.

There's more premade teams on the Horde side than there is Alliance. That's why it seems like we get insta-rolled every time you step in. Except for AV where Alliance tends to be king. Still it ends up with a higher rate of return on tokens on those quick games.

I've been lucky enough to played on some of the A-team warlord(alliance equivalent... can't remember the name) groups back before they took the ranks out. Back when Papparazzi and his group was going for it. It's a world changing experience. You have specific jobs to do and and you do it. There's always backup plans to fall back on if things dont go quite right. And if you dont go against a premade... it's a slaughter. Even against some premades it's ugly for them.

Still that's how the whole taint of the ranks came about. You'd have these premade teams on both alliance and horde fighting it out and raping anyone that wasn't organized. When the a-teams would end up facing each other you could end up having 30min-1hr long matches. Which for the guys going for the top rank that SERIOUSLY cuts into their honor/hour ratio. So you'd end up with people jumping on each other Vent servers and working out a back/forth deal on who would win matches and just basically sitting in the base letting the other team win if it was their turn to win. Of course this was back in the day when you would need 200k honor a week to stay up at the top. Now days if you get 20k you're rocking.

We found that if everyone that wants to be in the same AV tries and queues up at the exact same time more often than not you'll end up in the same one. Just have someone do a countdown over vent/ts and everyone hit "join first available".

We've been doing this for awhile now and out of 200+ AV's i've probably only not been in the same one around 4 times or so.

Update: Well, I got into a nice group in EotS and we rolled 4 games in a row. In under an hour, I earned 12 marks and decent honor.

There was two aspects I noticed in those runs, compared to the early morning ones and one I lost in before that...

When I just forgot offense and defense, instead concentrating on healing/cleanse/aura and BoProt, it changed the battles considerably. First, it seemed that healing is a bit weak out there sometimes.. even as a prot paly, I made a difference. Plus, I could wade into the middle of battle, defend (or even divine), and work the healing angle. Only problem I really had was mana consumption. I had to be smart with my mana use. Beyond that... Cohesive play is key, even if it's not well planned. I often aborted what I thought the smart thing to help where I could simply because there is victory in numbers. In the long run, it is better to help a useless foray, in hopes that we moved on to key points, rather than try in vain to hold up against an organized opposing effort. Although, there were quite a number of times where I sacrificed myself (bubble and charge) against key locales just to keep the horde busy trying to bring me down while others faught elsewhere.

I would love to get in on a GWJ BG group. Equally, I would love to be involved in any Arena team we have. Consider me very active when anyone is interested. It would be a very good learning tool being involved with GWJ groups, too, as I could see where I need to shore up my skills, what kind of equipment would work best, etc.

I know I will never be a PvP master (it's fun, but not my focus), and I doubt I will rebuild anytime soon (which would probably be necessary if I wanted to focus on being true PvP), but it's still a nice diversion, allows me to get involved in quick run, and has been fun even when frustrating.

/ready

I'd be game for some WSG runs. Gotta get Az up to 70 Fed .

I too plan on hitting WSG up sometime this weekend. Probably Sunday evening or Saturday afternoon.

Wow, that is all I can say about Sat night. Crazy and Az invited me to the BGs with them. Considering I had no idea what I was doing I still managed to get 17 kills and several honor tokens. You have to admit there seemed to be no strategy or communication amoung the entire army... Crazy led us to the beacons and we did our best to defend them.

I did 3 tours untill the beer kicked in and I went to bed (not sure how long the other 2 played). The horde is really good at this stuff or it was just that night.. but most likely my inexperience to fight PvP. I hope to do this again soon.

coming from a primarily horde character, at least in my battlegroup, alliance hammers us alot in WSG. We win some, may go on a streak, but more often than not alliance beats us in WSG. And *ALWAYS* in Alterac Valley. That gives us 2. woopee.