360 sales drop 60%

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I guess the public doesn't like the high failure rate I doubt game releases have anything to do with it. There are also 2 class-action lawsuits in the works as well.

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Maybe sales went down because Microsoft is replacing broken 360s instead of forcing customers to buy new ones. Just trying to look on the bright side.

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While it is not panic time for MS, I'd say a price drop is in order, at the very least.

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This is a problem? It's not a month-to-month drop, it's a comparison between this quarter, and Q4 '06. 700K is probably lower than they would have liked, but did anyone expect 360 sales to stay up? Console sales always follow a sinusoidal curve - high at first, then dropping, then rising again due to a price drop or big release, then dropping again, then rising again... etc. With a price drop likely not far away, and the 360's big hits right around the corner, I'd say they're now "enjoying" the trough of this particular curve. There's every reason to believe that it will rise again, as console sales almost always do, and that this dip is simply the normal lifecycle of a device, rather than a response to any specific problem that MS has been having.

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Moral of the story? If you're selling a product with high defect rates, lie your ass off. Do not admit the truth. Do not make amends. Quietly solving the technical issue in the background is optional.

Edit: Unless Morralan's right. They have been selling at almost twice the sweet spot for quite a while now.

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I think the NPD numbers tomorrow will be more telling. Fewer consoles shipped does indicate a lower demand, but it's not the same as sales. If you have a ton stockpiled, you ain't shipping more.

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I demand a price break, but they seem to be ignoring my demands.

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Certis wrote:
I think the NPD numbers tomorrow will be more telling. Fewer consoles shipped does indicate a lower demand, but it's not the same as sales. If you have a ton stockpiled, you ain't shipping more.

Yeah, exactly. Especially since MS was basically shipping way more than they could sell at the end of last year so they could say they'd met their target of x number of consoles shipped in 2006.

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I'm sure it's lower than MS wants, but I don't think it's disasterous on a console that's about two years old with a lull in gaming releases. One could argue that the only real major recent 360 release was Guitar Hero, which PS2 owners had some time ago. Given the lineup of 360 games coming out this fall, I'd expect things to perk back up.

I'm hoping that this pushes MS to drop the prices of the 360 soon. I've been holding out until they go down myself.

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Agreed. Oh noes! Microsoft is not selling as much as before! The company is teh doomed!

Microsoft makes $50 billion per year. They see the Xbox as a 10 year strategy to basically dominate the game space the same way they dominate office, but offering developers tools a powerful set of hardware to compile against, and Microsoft's Marketing might.

What is one month +/- in that strategy? Nothing. Even the nearly $2 billion loss on the Entertainment division does not matter one bit. They have deep pockets, and the ability to pour money at the problem until they win.

And this is from a Linux guy.

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Looking back over this, I'm guessing MS's 4th quarter is April-June. Last year at this time, the 360 was impossible to find til March, so the sales probably jumped once supply could meet demand. All the people who didn't get one at launch had to wait for that quarter. However, there were far fewer killer titles in that quarter last year than this

As for Certis' "shipped" comment, that means the number of consoles that retailers bought from Microsoft, NPD will report "sell through" numbers, or how many consoles were bought from real customers. Shipped numbers could reflect lesser demand or could mean a clearing of stock before a new model. It could also mean overstock. If Microsoft has had a practice of "overstuffing" the retail channel to make their 10 million goal, then that practice would probably catch up to them by now.

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Blackadar wrote:
I'm hoping that this pushes MS to drop the prices of the 360 soon. I've been holding out until they go down myself.I'm hoping that this pushes MS to drop the prices of the 360 soon. I've been holding out until they go down myself.

I join you in waiting for the inevitable price break. Multiply that by a significant percentage of the 360 holdouts and that's a pretty huge chunk of sales gone until they take action.

I wonder if both MS and Sony are starting to reach the limit of the market of people willing to pay $299+ for a console, especially since even that gets you only a gimped version. The Wii's demonstrated that people are happy to hand over $250 for the full-featured version of a system. If MS can put out a version of the 360 that's ready to play Halo 3/Mass Effect/Assassin's Creed/etc. out of the box at that price, sales will go through the roof.

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That's what stuffing the retail channels in late 2006 just to get past the promised 10-million-goal gets you. Retail was still stocked well enough for there to be a high demand, and the system isn't exactly flying off the shelves to begin with.

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I've no doubt that demand will pick up again once the deluge of awesome games starts coming, particularly Halo 3. I think there are a lot of people who are waiting for that time (or the first price drop) before jumping on. I doubt the publicity around the defective units really had anything to do with this dip.

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I think there are a lot of people who are waiting for that time (or the first price drop) before jumping on.

That's basically what happened to me. As weird as it is, seeing the 60GB PS3 at $499 made me realize what a bad deal the Elite is at $479. I'm not the slightest bit interested in a game-capable Blu-Ray player but the fact that it does include a hi-def player of some kind is better than not having one. I would like to see a $50 dollar price drop, otherwise, it's wait and see for me.

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Semi-skimmer comment here since I didn't read the linked article, but how much of this drop might be attributable to the elite sales recently? I suspect that gave the sales numbers a boost when it came out.
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read the article... Elite is probably in the number. Minus the 1 billion charge on repairs, the margins are imporoving... Theyre well positioned for the upcoming quarters, though a price drop would still act like an adrenaline boost.
From another perspective, Microsoft is better positioned now to make a big % increase in the next report...

Someone said it before, ms is in it for the long haul.

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My fiance and I bought a Hoover vacuum, because it had good features. Fairly expensive, but we needed one. Got it home, used it once, and it broke. Got another one, same model. Ok so far, but I learned that it has an extraordinarily high failure rate, but I don't know what the percentage was. What I learned, hook up my 360 to a Hoover, and you have the most unreliable product since the Yugo.

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mateo wrote:
Microsoft makes $50 billion per year. They see the Xbox as a 10 year strategy to basically dominate the game space the same way they dominate office, but offering developers tools a powerful set of hardware to compile against, and Microsoft's Marketing might.

Maybe their Home & Retail division let off the pressure on your Best Buys and your Wal-Marts for the "lean" months?

I'd really like to think the failure rate is behind the majority of the sales drop, but I'm skeptical. I mean, morons bought this untried technology on launch day in distressing numbers. Anecdotal evidence of high failure rates probably doesn't reach the ears of the soccer mometariat as often or as forcefully as "Mom, I gotta have [game X]".

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My fiance and I bought a Hoover vacuum, because it had good features. Fairly expensive, but we needed one. Got it home, used it once, and it broke. Got another one, same model. Ok so far, but I learned that it has an extraordinarily high failure rate, but I don't know what the percentage was. What I learned, hook up my 360 to a Hoover, and you have the most unreliable product since the Yugo.

Hoover? Damn.

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My fiance and I bought a Hoover vacuum, because it had good features. Fairly expensive, but we needed one. Got it home, used it once, and it broke. Got another one, same model. Ok so far, but I learned that it has an extraordinarily high failure rate, but I don't know what the percentage was. What I learned, hook up my 360 to a Hoover, and you have the most unreliable product since the Yugo.

Noone made a sucky product comment? FOR SHAME!

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That combo would really suck!

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H.P. Lovesauce wrote:
I mean, morons bought this untried technology on launch day in distressing numbers.

Sooooo... yeah. All the launch day buyers are morons?

I'm torn on how to respond to that and I didn't even buy one at launch.

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yep...lots of morons here.

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I mean, morons bought this untried technology on launch day in distressing numbers.

Sooooo... yeah. All the launch day buyers are morons?

I'm torn on how to respond to that and I didn't even buy one at launch.

I count myself lucky, as I run the flag up for "I didn't pay for mine". I did help a friend out by selling my balance of $245 for my 360 at EBGames to him.

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This is a problem? It's not a month-to-month drop, it's a comparison between this quarter, and Q4 '06. 700K is probably lower than they would have liked, but did anyone expect 360 sales to stay up? Console sales always follow a sinusoidal curve - high at first, then dropping, then rising again due to a price drop or big release, then dropping again, then rising again... etc. With a price drop likely not far away, and the 360's big hits right around the corner, I'd say they're now "enjoying" the trough of this particular curve. There's every reason to believe that it will rise again, as console sales almost always do, and that this dip is simply the normal lifecycle of a device, rather than a response to any specific problem that MS has been having

It's a myth that "big releases" push console sales. If you go back and look at the PS2 years when a GTA was released, sales didn't receive a big jump. We will see if Halo will change that, since it launches in September but I think it will just push the normal holiday bump up a month and we'll see a smaller bump for November/December. I don't think any big release will push the sales for any system. Price drops will.

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This is a problem? It's not a month-to-month drop, it's a comparison between this quarter, and Q4 '06. 700K is probably lower than they would have liked, but did anyone expect 360 sales to stay up? Console sales always follow a sinusoidal curve - high at first, then dropping, then rising again due to a price drop or big release, then dropping again, then rising again... etc. With a price drop likely not far away, and the 360's big hits right around the corner, I'd say they're now "enjoying" the trough of this particular curve. There's every reason to believe that it will rise again, as console sales almost always do, and that this dip is simply the normal lifecycle of a device, rather than a response to any specific problem that MS has been having

It's a myth that "big releases" push console sales. If you go back and look at the PS2 years when a GTA was released, sales didn't receive a big jump. We will see if Halo will change that, since it launches in September but I think it will just push the normal holiday bump up a month and we'll see a smaller bump for November/December. I don't think any big release will push the sales for any system. Price drops will.


Halo 2 pushed hardware sales, as did MGS2 for the PS2, Zelda for the N64, etc. GTA 3 was not a big release. It became a hit due to word of mouth, but it wasn't a game that the public was ravenous for - they'd never even heard of GTA.

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This is vaguely on-topic: I've been considering buying a 360 - is it true that recent models are more reliable, or is that just wishful thinking?

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hubbinsd wrote:
This is vaguely on-topic: I've been considering buying a 360 - is it true that recent models are more reliable, or is that just wishful thinking?

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I mean, morons bought this untried technology on launch day in distressing numbers.

Sooooo... yeah. All the launch day buyers are morons?

I'm torn on how to respond to that and I didn't even buy one at launch.

I count myself lucky, as I run the flag up for "I didn't pay for mine". I did help a friend out by selling my balance of $245 for my 360 at EBGames to him.

I have a launch console, and I've never had any problems with it, short of me knocking over a water bottle and having it roll, through a Rube Goldberg series of events, across the room and hit the disc eject button literally a minute before I would have received the 7-day survivor achievement on Dead Rising.

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Halo 2 pushed hardware sales, as did MGS2 for the PS2, Zelda for the N64, etc. GTA 3 was not a big release. It became a hit due to word of mouth, but it wasn't a game that the public was ravenous for - they'd never even heard of GTA.

I agree. GTA 1 and 2 weren't really blockbuster titles, so it's not like they had the buzz that Halo 1 gave to Halo 2 going.

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Hoover? Damn.

Weenah!

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