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EDIT (3/25/08)

This thread has really gotten WAY too long for most people to wade through. Feel free to skip to the end with any questions you may have. We'll try not to offer too many RTFA comments

On a more serious note, GWJ member *Legion* has compiled an AWESOME hacking guide which walks you step-by-step through the process of adding custom firmware to your PSP.

http://www.blastprocessing.net/?page_id=20

*Legion* has also started a thread for those interested in his "hacking kit" (which will be mailed around to any interested members). Right now, I think it is limited to the US only (Canada might be OK, as well... ask *Legion*).

PSP hacking thead: http://www.gamerswithjobs.com/node/38166

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Sorry for starting a new thread, but the Sony Press Conference thread is just too long and too full of other stuff.

So what do we think about this?

The video output to TV is pretty damn nice... you can now play your games/videos/pictures/music through the TV.

Arg! Pretty nice...

other details from IGN:

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July 11, 2007 - During Sony's E3 2007 conference, Sony Computer Entertainment President Kaz Hirai debuted the long-rumored redesign of the PlayStation Portable. At first glance it doesn't look very different, but Hirai insisted gamers would be able to tell the difference as soon as they laid hands on it.

The new PSP will be 33% lighter. It also will have the ability to output high-quality video, to a TV, for instance. Users will be able to connect the PSP to a bigger monitor and share their photos and videos.

The PSP redesign will be available in September in Piano Black and Ice Silver. A PSP Entertainment Pack will include the Ice Silver version, Daxter, the UMD Family Guy collection, a 1GB memory stick, and will put gamers back $199.

Oh, and right after this announcement, Chewbacca walked on stage. Microsoft and Nintendo conferences: pwned. He was there to announce another new PSP pack for Star Wars: Battlefront. It includes the new Battlefront game, Renegade Squadron, and the Ice PSP with Darth Vader printed on the back.

I don't think I'll be able to justify buying a newer model, but still... nice, new set of features... nice size reduction, everything you could ask for.

Now it just remains to be seen if it can be hacked.

edit: a picture of the new packaging.

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Once they hack it, I'll jump on it.

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I'm curious about the video output... is it like a standard 3.5 jack that splits into a Y/R/W component cable, does it somehow go through the USB port, or what?

I couldn't care much about the videos/pictures aspect... but mamn, it'd be nice to be able to play games on the old TV (I also had a gameboy player for my GameCube, so I guess I'm just not able to comprehend the idea of "portable entertainment systems" )

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How did it get better? Not being sarcastic, actually asking. Did it get flash memory? Is it more ergonomic?

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did you read the article?

33% lighter
19% slimmer
faster load times
longer battery life
video output
bunch of different colors
ability to connect to PS3/PCs over the internet

in other words, its essentially just the same as what Nintendo did with the DS... except they added some actually useful new features.

The video out feature also silences those people who bitched about UMD movies not having any use besides watching on the go. They also look like they are gearing up to offer "HD" video content...

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Actually the original DS was an ergonomic mess and they made it MORE of an ergonomic mess. Also, I didn't see anything about flash memory, which would have been nice. Without more memory, where is all this HD content going?

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DSGamer wrote:
Actually the original DS was an ergonomic mess and they made it MORE of an ergonomic mess. Also, I didn't see anything about flash memory, which would have been nice. Without more memory, where is all this HD content going?

the DSG version of "ergonomics" isn't exactly aligned with the mainstream, I think

There's little point of adding flash memory when you can buy a 4GB memstick for $50. Even so, if you buy the $199 packs they're releasing, they're going to toss in a 1GB card along with the Daxter game and Family Guy UMD. Yeah, sure, I guess some flash memory would have been nice, but they're trying to REDUCE the cost per unit.

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SommerMatt wrote:
DSGamer wrote:
Actually the original DS was an ergonomic mess and they made it MORE of an ergonomic mess. Also, I didn't see anything about flash memory, which would have been nice. Without more memory, where is all this HD content going?

the DSG version of "ergonomics" isn't exactly aligned with the mainstream, I think

It hurts my hands, the DS Lite. The DS Phat hurt my hands less. The 360 controller doesn't hurt them at all. I may have issues, but that doesn't make my point completely invalid.

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There's little point of adding flash memory when you can buy a 4GB memstick for $50. Even so, if you buy the $199 packs they're releasing, they're going to toss in a 1GB card along with the Daxter game and Family Guy UMD. Yeah, sure, I guess some flash memory would have been nice, but they're trying to REDUCE the cost per unit.

I suppose. I just don't see it as that big of a change, then, I suppose.

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Biggest problem: Still no 2nd analog stick. I'm actually pretty unimpressed by the "redesign". More useful? Sure. Worth buying a new psp? Absolutely not.

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For most the DS LIte is a much better model (than Phat DS) judging by reviews and sales numbers since the revision.

The PSP revision doesn't sound terribly exciting, but maybe it will once I see it and hear more about it.

IT's seems a little too late in more than one way tho. UMDs already bombed afaik so who cares if I can watch them on my TV now? Plus are they going to look good on my TV anyway compared to DVD?

The DS Lite's success has started a wave of 3rd parties that maybe would have gone PSP before. BIA and CoD along with Sim City and Civilization to name a few recent releases and upcoming ones. So the PSP revision is a bit late there as well.

Faster load times and better battery life are great. We'll see what better actually means in the real world soon I suppose. 10% improvements won't be terribly persuading.

Sharing photos on the TV? Yawn. Play your PS2, er I mean PSP on your TV? Might as well boot up your PS2 then. OK could be alright, but if you're doing it alot then you bought the wrong piece of hardware. Connect to PS3/pc over internet? Yeah I'm sure I would be doing that alot. Not.

All in all it seems a little too late with new features that have limited appeal. Not to say the revision is bad. It's surely better than the existing PSP, but just doesn't sound exciting at this stage.

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DSGamer wrote:
I suppose. I just don't see it as that big of a change, then, I suppose.

With all the things mentioned above, you don't see it as a "big change"? Well, not massive. But more of a change than the DS Lite was from the original.

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Biggest problem: Still no 2nd analog stick. I'm actually pretty unimpressed by the "redesign". More useful? Sure. Worth buying a new psp? Absolutely not.

Again, we already knew they wouldnt do a 2nd stick, so it wasn't a big shock.

So yeah, if you already have a PSP, probably not a reason for buying a new one. But the goal is to get NEW buyers... as it stands, it's a nifty little upgrade over the original.

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Could you link the article please?

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This one? Where does it say the unit will have faster load and longer battery life?

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SommerMatt wrote:
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I suppose. I just don't see it as that big of a change, then, I suppose.

With all the things mentioned above, you don't see it as a "big change"? Well, not massive. But more of a change than the DS Lite was from the original.

Huh? The DS Lite got completely new buttons and D-Pad (for the worse by the opinion of many people, not just me), a screen which was much brighter and could be adjusted and became lighter itself.

You'll notice the DS started to really fly off the shelf after the redesign. I personally hate the redesign. I know I'm not alone in this. If there was a DS Phat with a brighter screen, I think many fans of the DS would prefer that. But either way, the redesign sent the DS into the stratosphere. It was as big a change as this PSP redesign.

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Dysplastic wrote:
Biggest problem: Still no 2nd analog stick. I'm actually pretty unimpressed by the "redesign". More useful? Sure. Worth buying a new psp? Absolutely not.

Again, we already knew they wouldnt do a 2nd stick, so it wasn't a big shock.

So yeah, if you already have a PSP, probably not a reason for buying a new one. But the goal is to get NEW buyers... as it stands, it's a nifty little upgrade over the original.

"Nifty" as in "kind of spiffy, but really not much to it"?

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Once they hack it, I'll jump on it.

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None of the revisions scream "repurchase" to me. It's saying "Hey, I'm here now so don't go out and buy the obsolete one."

Even so, I can't stop staring at the silver one. It's taunting me... like the silver DS lite. :/

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I'm not terribly impressed either, but I'd like to know more about the decreased load times before I pass judgement.

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trip1eX wrote:
All in all it seems a little too late. Not to say the revision is bad. It's better than the existing PSP which is good news for potential PSP owners.

There are some people who wouldn't buy a PSP even if it made gold coins fall out of their butt, so of course none of this matters to them. But seriously... as an upgrade to an existing piece of hardware, this is pretty decent. What did people expect?

trip1eX wrote:
For most the DS LIte is a much better model (than Phat DS) judging by reviews and sales numbers since the revision.

We don't know how much this will or will not affect sales of the PSP yet.

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UMDs already bombed afaik so who cares if I can watch them on my TV now? Plus are they going to look good on my TV anyway compared to DVD?

"bombed" or not, sales of movie UMDs increased 35% from 2005-2006. How good are they going to look? Who knows. I don't know the resolution they offer, but that doesn't seem to stop people from buying downloads for the apple TV or iPods to play on their TVs. The point of this is simply that people bitched about the UMD movie format because you couldn't play the discs at home, and now that you CAN play them at home, people STILL complain. It's a nice added feature, regardless.

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The DS Lite's success has started a wave of 3rd parties that maybe would have gone PSP before. BIA and CoD along with Sim City and Civilization to name a few recent releases and upcoming ones. So the PSP revision is a bit late there as well.

not sure of your point here. No one, especially not Nintendo, could have guessed the Lite would have sold as well as it did. Dropping the price of the PSP to $169 saw a large boost in sales, and this might also drive more sales (and further reduces the cost to produce the machine). If sales go through the roof, I'm sure we'll see more developers scrambling to put out more games (although anyone who says there are "no good games" for the PSP doesn't know what theyre talking about anyway).

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Sharing photos on the TV? Yawn. Play your PS2, er I mean PSP on your TV? Might as well boot up your PS2 then. OK could be alright, but if you're doing it alot then you bought the wrong piece of hardware. Connect to PS3/pc over internet? Yeah I'm sure I would be doing that alot. Not.

yeah, it would be so lame to be able to stream video content from my home PC to my PSP plugged into a TV in a hotel room or something... YAWN. Sheesh, come on here... whether you use it or not, it's still a neat added feature you're getting for free over the older model.

Looking at some other pictures, here are a few other changes in the PSP:

-no IR port anymore
-Speakers are now on each swide of the side of the screen, instead of on the bottom
-no spring load on the UMD slot... pull to open/push to close
-WIFI switch now on the top where the UMD spring load switch used to be
-UMD game data will be cached on the PSP to speed up gameplay/loading

here's a very short video of a hands-on:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hn_ku9nmA8U

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Huh? The DS Lite got completely new buttons and D-Pad (for the worse by the opinion of many people, not just me), a screen which was much brighter and could be adjusted and became lighter itself.

I guess we are looking at things differently. Did they DS change? Sure, 90% cosmetically. Not much actually changed internally. The new PSP doesn't change much cosmetically (and why should they? It's a great design), but it HAS added/changed a LOT of features internally.

Is this going to make people who already have a PSP buy a new one? Probably not... that's where the DS Lite change was a sales boost in a way-- besides new buyers, lots of people who had a "Phat" rebought the system.

If you're a new or potential PSP buyer, this IS a model with many more features and benfits over the older model. It addresses all the things people complained about that could be fixed without breaking compatibility across models (battery life, load times, etc.).

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DSGamer wrote:
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Actually the original DS was an ergonomic mess and they made it MORE of an ergonomic mess. Also, I didn't see anything about flash memory, which would have been nice. Without more memory, where is all this HD content going?

the DSG version of "ergonomics" isn't exactly aligned with the mainstream, I think

It hurts my hands, the DS Lite. The DS Phat hurt my hands less. The 360 controller doesn't hurt them at all. I may have issues, but that doesn't make my point completely invalid.

No, that makes your point only valid to you, and completely invalid to everyone else with different hands.

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trip1eX wrote:
All in all it seems a little too late. Not to say the revision is bad. It's better than the existing PSP which is good news for potential PSP owners.

There are some people who wouldn't buy a PSP even if it made gold coins fall out of their butt, so of course none of this matters to them. But seriously... as an upgrade to an existing piece of hardware, this is pretty decent. What did people expect?

PSP2?

SommerMatt wrote:
trip1eX wrote:
For most the DS LIte is a much better model (than Phat DS) judging by reviews and sales numbers since the revision.

We don't know how much this will or will not affect sales of the PSP yet.

True. I didn't mean this as a comment about the PSP's revision. It was directed towards DSGAmer's dislike for the DS Lite.

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UMDs already bombed afaik so who cares if I can watch them on my TV now? Plus are they going to look good on my TV anyway compared to DVD?

"bombed" or not, sales of movie UMDs increased 35% from 2005-2006. How good are they going to look? Who knows. I don't know the resolution they offer, but that doesn't seem to stop people from buying downloads for the apple TV or iPods to play on their TVs. The point of this is simply that people bitched about the UMD movie format because you couldn't play the discs at home, and now that you CAN play them at home, people STILL complain. It's a nice added feature, regardless.

WEll retail shelf space decreased 90% afaik. The conclusion I draw is UMD sold extremely poor in 2k5/2k6 and a 35% increase of something close to 0 ain't nothing to write home about.

No doubt this helps the whole 'I can only play UMDs on the go' complaint, but it's a little too late imo. Memory sticks are cheaper and use less battery life and at this point one might as well rip the DVD instead.

So I say it's a fairly useless feature.

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The DS Lite's success has started a wave of 3rd parties that maybe would have gone PSP before. BIA and CoD along with Sim City and Civilization to name a few recent releases and upcoming ones. So the PSP revision is a bit late there as well.

not sure of your point here. No one, especially not Nintendo, could have guessed the Lite would have sold as well as it did. Dropping the price of the PSP to $169 saw a large boost in sales, and this might also drive more sales (and further reduces the cost to produce the machine). If sales go through the roof, I'm sure we'll see more developers scrambling to put out more games (although anyone who says there are "no good games" for the PSP doesn't know what theyre talking about anyway).

The point is I think 3rd parties gave the PSP a chance at first because most thought it would kill the DS. I think by now it's clear that the result is opposite of that. It seems like the revision is a little late to help reverse this. And I think the DS now has western 3rd party support that is going to hit starting now. Had the revision come out earlier along with a price drop it would have worked better.

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Sharing photos on the TV? Yawn. Play your PS2, er I mean PSP on your TV? Might as well boot up your PS2 then. OK could be alright, but if you're doing it alot then you bought the wrong piece of hardware. Connect to PS3/pc over internet? Yeah I'm sure I would be doing that alot. Not.

yeah, it would be so lame to be able to stream video content from my home PC to my PSP plugged into a TV in a hotel room or something... YAWN. Sheesh, come on here... whether you use it or not, it's still a neat added feature you're getting for free over the older model.

What do you mean whether I use it or not it's a neat feature? That's a load of baloney because for me a feature ain't neat if I don't use it. IT's also not 'free.' You see they could done something else instead.

Also if I look at the market and most people I don't think streaming from your pc to your PSP in your hotel room is ever going to something that more than 5% of people do if any. It sounds pretty lame. NO offense.

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Looking at some other pictures, here are a few other changes in the PSP:

-no IR port anymore
-Speakers are now on each swide of the side of the screen, instead of on the bottom
-no spring load on the UMD slot... pull to open/push to close
-WIFI switch now on the top where the UMD spring load switch used to be
-UMD game data will be cached on the PSP to speed up gameplay/loading

...Some of those sound good. Speaker placement sounds better. Better load times is good if it's actually something quite noticeable.

I mean I don't disagree the revision is better than the original. But just it seems a little too late and some of the features seem technically kool, but realistically something I don't see many using.

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The new version also has 64MB of internal memory and can accept charging through the USB port. I'll probably get one when it comes out or shortly thereafter and just keep my current one for homebrew. One other note if you look at this super high resolution pic it looks like the finish on the black is much more matte then the old shiny one. This should help keep the fingerprints down which is cool. My only gripe is I wish they included bluetooth, I would love to be able to use wireless headphones with the psp.

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WEll retail shelf space decreased 90% afaik. The conclusion I draw is UMD sold extremely poor in 2k5/2k6 and a 35% increase of something close to 0 ain't nothing to write home about.

I can confirm that my personal UMD purchasing doubled over the last year, of course that's only if you include the free spider man umd I got with the psp as a purchase. And you know why? Becuase I found a movie that I wanted to see for $5. So I suspect that is why the sales have increased. At one point sony mentioned having versions of movies that included a DVD and UMD for a slight increase. Now that is something I would have bought a ton of if they had done it, but at full price it never made sense.

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DSGamer, the PSP will hurt your thumbs. You've got small buttons on the very edges of a small device. I've been playing MGS Portable Ops, and the controls are killing my thumbs. A thinner PSP will only make the issue slightly worse.

Yes it has a flash memory slot.

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trip1eX wrote:
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All in all it seems a little too late. Not to say the revision is bad. It's better than the existing PSP which is good news for potential PSP owners.

There are some people who wouldn't buy a PSP even if it made gold coins fall out of their butt, so of course none of this matters to them. But seriously... as an upgrade to an existing piece of hardware, this is pretty decent. What did people expect?

PSP2?

But we already knew that wasn't going to happen...

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UMDs already bombed afaik so who cares if I can watch them on my TV now? Plus are they going to look good on my TV anyway compared to DVD?

"bombed" or not, sales of movie UMDs increased 35% from 2005-2006. How good are they going to look? Who knows. I don't know the resolution they offer, but that doesn't seem to stop people from buying downloads for the apple TV or iPods to play on their TVs. The point of this is simply that people bitched about the UMD movie format because you couldn't play the discs at home, and now that you CAN play them at home, people STILL complain. It's a nice added feature, regardless.

WEll retail shelf space decreased 90% afaik. The conclusion I draw is UMD sold extremely poor in 2k5/2k6 and a 35% increase of something close to 0 ain't nothing to write home about.

No doubt this helps the whole 'I can only play UMDs on the go' complaint, but it's a little too late imo. Memory sticks are cheaper and use less battery life and at this point one might as well rip the DVD instead.

So I say it's a fairly useless feature.

to YOU it's useless, and that's probably your whole point. But the vast majority of buyers don't know how to rip a DVD to a memory stick, and so if you BUY one of these movies, being able to play it at home would definitely be a plus. And for me, being able to play my games at home is a great plus... I can play it in the can, in my bed, on the bus, then if I still want to play, I can hook it up to my TV. Like I said, thise has been done many times before (the SNES gameboy player, the Gamecube GBA player, etc.).

Regardless of Sony's plans for the future (See recent article about finding a bootloader in the PSP firmware, seeming to point to downloadable game content), if they get rid of the UMD drive, they essentially make all of the already existing software useless. There's nothing to stop them from offering memstick downloads, though. Best of both worlds.

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Sharing photos on the TV? Yawn. Play your PS2, er I mean PSP on your TV? Might as well boot up your PS2 then. OK could be alright, but if you're doing it alot then you bought the wrong piece of hardware. Connect to PS3/pc over internet? Yeah I'm sure I would be doing that alot. Not.

yeah, it would be so lame to be able to stream video content from my home PC to my PSP plugged into a TV in a hotel room or something... YAWN. Sheesh, come on here... whether you use it or not, it's still a neat added feature you're getting for free over the older model.

What do you mean whether I use it or not it's a neat feature? That's a load of baloney because for me a feature ain't neat if I don't use it. IT's also not 'free.' You see they could done something else instead.

Also if I look at the market and most people I don't think streaming from your pc to your PSP in your hotel room is ever going to something that more than 5% of people do if any. It sounds pretty lame. NO offense.

That's just one example. Want more? Ok... streaming your entire MP3 collection when you're at work/school/a friend's house/a party, same thing with videos. Hell, you could even use it to stream songs from your laptop to your home stereo. Lame? It sounds pretty interesting to me.

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I mean I don't disagree the revision is better than the original.

Fine. What are we arguing about, then?

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The new version also has 64MB of internal memory and can accept charging through the USB port. I'll probably get one when it comes out or shortly thereafter and just keep my current one for homebrew.

ooh, good point... I forgot about those upgrades.

hopefully, the 64MB will also a better web browsing experience (fewer "out of memory" errors).

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I can confirm that my personal UMD purchasing doubled over the last year, of course that's only if you include the free spider man umd I got with the psp as a purchase. And you know why? Becuase I found a movie that I wanted to see for $5. So I suspect that is why the sales have increased. At one point sony mentioned having versions of movies that included a DVD and UMD for a slight increase. Now that is something I would have bought a ton of if they had done it, but at full price it never made sense.

let's see... I have my free SM2 movie, the matrix, napoleon dynamite, office space, and the Family Guy season 1-2 set (for it for cheap). You're right that "cheapness" is the key here... I bought all of these discs used, for around $10 or so each (more for the FG set). We've hashed through this before... that the studios are the ones that set the prices, and I guess the economy of scale just never happened to help lower those prices.

I'm sure that Sony probably WOULD want to explore a download service, but doesn't for reasons of piracy-- and I don't blame them. They'd have to figure out some kind of DRM scheme, which would most likely require the installation of some Sony software (which many still dread because of the "rootkit" thing). Didn't Sony offer people to download one out of four videos onto a memory stick, if you bought their "entertainment pack"? I never heard much about how that worked.

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That's just one example. Want more? Ok... streaming your entire MP3 collection when you're at work/school/a friend's house/a party, same thing with videos. Hell, you could even use it to stream songs from your laptop to your home stereo. Lame? It sounds pretty interesting to me.

IT's lame. I say this because I know how much features like this actually get used. They get used once.

Besides you can fit your MP3 collection on a memory stick anyway or at least a good enough chunk of it. I mean are you going to be at work/school/party for 2 weeks straight listening to music 24/7? No. Using a memory stick is way less hassle than to monkey with this 'feature.' No doubt you already have mp3s on a memory stick too.

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UMDs already bombed afaik so who cares if I can watch them on my TV now? Plus are they going to look good on my TV anyway compared to DVD?

to YOU it's useless, and that's probably your whole point. But the vast majority of buyers don't know how to rip a DVD to a memory stick, and so if you BUY one of these movies, being able to play it at home would definitely be a plus. And for me, being able to play my games at home is a great plus... I can play it in the can, in my bed, on the bus, then if I still want to play, I can hook it up to my TV. Like I said, thise has been done many times before (the SNES gameboy player, the Gamecube GBA player, etc.).

Regardless of Sony's plans for the future (See recent article about finding a bootloader in the PSP firmware, seeming to point to downloadable game content), if they get rid of the UMD drive, they essentially make all of the already existing software useless. There's nothing to stop them from offering memstick downloads, though. Best of both worlds.

Well I think it's useless to most people given that UMD has bombed. That's my point. IF you're a UMD aficionado then sure. Then this 'watch your UMDs on your TV' feature is your best friend. OTherwise for most people.....yawn.

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I mean I don't disagree the revision is better than the original.

Fine. What are we arguing about, then?

I don't know. My observation was that it's all a little too late and that the revision, while better, isn't particularly compelling and doesn't really erase some of the more fundamental problems with the PSP.

IT's hard to shake that feeling you're playing PS2 games with worse controls.

The iPod does the portable music/video much better and is much more portable.

Also I think the DS Lite remains the better portable gaming solution.

Sony knows this and that's why they focused their current marketing campaign around 13-17 yr olds that don't have a TV in their room and whose parents are often using the living room TV.

I don't have all the facts yet. I mean load times could be dramatically better and same with battery life. And the 64mb could really help load times too and maybe internet. I am interested to see some reviews when it does hit the street. First impressions tho are that it seems little too late.

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SommerMatt wrote:

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Biggest problem: Still no 2nd analog stick. I'm actually pretty unimpressed by the "redesign". More useful? Sure. Worth buying a new psp? Absolutely not.

Again, we already knew they wouldnt do a 2nd stick, so it wasn't a big shock.

Sure, but that doesn't make the redesign any less underwhelming.

I'd be more excited by firmware that allowed you to purchase games that you would be able to download and run off the memory stick. (And no, ps1 games that you need a ps3 to buy don't count)

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did they announce any games worth playing for the PSP? I'm coming up with Rondo of Blood and FFT, and both of those are remakes.

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It's a nice evolution, less bulk, a little faster, a little better battery. Nothing revolutionary like the rumored keyboard foldout that would persuade most current PSP owners to rebuy, but the changes do give more incentive for non-owners to purchase which grows the audience. They couldn't change the controls too much without fragmenting the base. The bundles are cool for the price.

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So, this bleeds topics a little, but honestly, the sony cnf was the only thing out of E3 I liked. I sold my PSP on ebay for $150 a while ago, and most of my played out games for about 50 cents on the dollar. The new game lineup (and I just haven't been paying attention, so some of it was new to me) seems really quite interesting, and the lower price and small footprint makes it just that much more palatable to think about re buying around Christmas. Sure, most of the little whizbangery is kind of irrelevant, but since the old PSP was just a LITTLE too big, getting just a LITTLE bit smaller makes a difference, and the new games/load time stuff seems like it brings it back into contention for me.

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DSGamer, the PSP will hurt your thumbs. You've got small buttons on the very edges of a small device. I've been playing MGS Portable Ops, and the controls are killing my thumbs. A thinner PSP will only make the issue slightly worse.

Yes it has a flash memory slot.

It has a small flash memory slot. That is something in its favor, I suppose. Now you don't *have* to buy a memory card to use it. That lowers the price of it, I suppose. As far as hand pain with it, I've had one and it caused me pain, although not as much as the DS. I firmly believe that my hobbies and work aside (they cause the most wear and tear on my thumbs) that the DS was the single biggest cause. I played solely the GBA for years without problems.

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And for the record, Matt, in spite of your slightly over the top defensiveness, I'm not arguing with you. I just find this underwhelming. I actually like the PSP as a platform. And it was easier on my hands than the DS was, honestly. So if I thought the PSP were worth buying for me, I'd get it. Heck, whenever I see an ad for FFT I have to think long and hard about it.

My problem with it was that it was really bad at 3d, lacking the second analog. It seemed better suited for a multimedia device/puzzle tactics RPG gaming machine. And that machine could have benefited greatly from Sony treating it like an iPod. Add a lot of storage. Sell games over through a video game iTunes and I would have signed up. The model is fine with me on XBLA, I would have gladly done the same with this. But none of that is here. Not the internal memory required to do that. Not the service to deliver the games. Many of us on the PSP message boards, back when I was on those boards, were hoping that UMD would be phased out in favor of flash memory (which would have made it even lighter and stronger) and some kind of attachment to download your UMDs.

Transition away from UMDs and be done with it. Deliver games over the Internet from that point forward and blaze a new path. But they chose instead to ride out this generation on their current success (which isn't anything to sneeze at, of course). We'll see if that works out in the end. Who knows.

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That's just one example. Want more? Ok... streaming your entire MP3 collection when you're at work/school/a friend's house/a party, same thing with videos. Hell, you could even use it to stream songs from your laptop to your home stereo. Lame? It sounds pretty interesting to me.

IT's lame. I say this because I know how much features like this actually get used. They get used once.

And my point again is, so what? It's an added feature that the old model didn't have. You won't use it, other people will.

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Well I think it's useless to most people given that UMD has bombed. That's my point. IF you're a UMD aficionado then sure. Then this 'watch your UMDs on your TV' feature is your best friend. OTherwise for most people.....yawn.

I think "most people" would find the video out pretty cool. Regardless of whether its a UMD video, videos from the memstick, of playing games.

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My observation was that it's all a little too late and that the revision, while better, isn't particularly compelling and doesn't really erase some of the more fundamental problems with the PSP.

but that's where you're wrong. This "lite" version addresses EVERY problem people had with the first version that can be fixed without breaking compatibility across versions. It sounds like you'd only be happy if the PSP had two screens, touch control, and was called a "DS."

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