Hybrid DPS Off-Tank Warrior - Talent Tree Build
Monday, July 2nd, 2007 - 4:03pm
I have just completed the talent tree I am going to follow to make my warrior a DPS off-tank for our guild in raids and instances. I am specializing in 2H and 1H swords so the following talent tree build will reflect that. I have chosen to do a 33/28 in arms/fury.
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/warrior/talents.html?0530402...
What talent tree spec has been most successful for your DPS warrior? Any thoughts?
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Dhalvid - 70 Night Elf Warrior
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Dude, what the heck is your avatar?!
On-topic, I'm curious to see where this discussion goes. I'm doing a Fury build for fun on Thurgrinder since Alaysha and I are teaming up with our lowbies for entertainment, and a Fury warrior should go nicely with her shaman.
Thats a very odd build.. this is a more traditional Hybrid MS/Fury build
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/warrior/talents.html?3500030...
Replace Poleaxe Spec with Mace or Swords depending on your pref..
Mace if your PVP'ing for sure.. stuns are huge these days.
If your going Pure PVE DPS you may wanna try a 17/44 Fury build or a 19/42 2H Fury build depending on your gear.
2H Fury is the FOTM these days.
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If Gameguru see's this you should be able to get some sage advice. I think Giannino plays a Fury warrior so perhaps he can help out. I haven't played a warrior high enough to help you out. You may also consider reading the official WOW forums. There is often some good advice and links on builds in the stickied posts.
Edit: Er, guess GG already saw it.
Also if your serious about doing some Kara tanking beyond just trash pulls.. you may think of a 41/0/20 or 41/5/15 build to get some key Prot talents that help with tanking (threat gen mostly)
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/warrior/talents.html?3500030...
This gimps your dps pretty bad but with decent gear your looking at 350-400 DPS which isnt to shabby.
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As a paladin, I can only dream of 350-400dps.
I hear guys talking about critting stuff for 2000+ in melee, and it's just unbelievable. I think the biggest single hit I've ever gotten in melee was for about 450.
Fars my avatar is a chicken fried rat thigh.
So many choices and not enough talent points... arrggggg!!! I am hitting critical at times over 1000 but that is when I use Execute. Thanks for the talents trees, this gives me a lot to think about.
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Dhalvid - 70 Night Elf Warrior
"You can discover more about a person in an hour of play than in a year of conversation."
Plato
Fars my avatar is a chicken fried rat thigh.
So many choices and not enough talent points... arrggggg!!! I am hitting critical at times over 1000 but that is when I use Execute. Thanks for the talents trees, this gives me a lot to think about.
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Dhalvid - 70 Night Elf Warrior
"You can discover more about a person in an hour of play than in a year of conversation."
Plato
Okay, now that I know what it is perhaps you would consider changing it back to that bucket full of dead rats. Jeez, you know its bad when you prefer the bucket of dead rats. It's probably too much to ask but perhaps a cute picture of a dog or cat or some fluffy animal would inspire you to decide on the best build possible for Dhalvid?
41/20/0 is Giannino's spec. Very good for DPS/PVP, but I'd only go that direction if you have no interest in tanking. Better to follow GG's advice to at least remain semi-viable as a meatshield.
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In my experience, your spec isn't nearly as important as your gear. I've watched my roomate run every non-heroic 70 and the odd heroic as a Fury spec tank. So my suggestion would be a Fury/Prot hybrid for tanking. You'll take a DPS hit as opposed to pure fury/arms, but you'll still be up near the top.
I personally would go something along these lines:
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/warrior/talents.html?0000000...
There's plenty of room in there for moving stuff around, the only talents that I'd consider must haves are staple DPS talents like Bloodthirst, Rampage, Death Wish, Flurry and things of that nature.
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Right, remember the bit about moving stuff? Yea, here's some of that.
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/warrior/talents.html?2500032...
That's the current spec my roomie runs with.
Coldstream wrote:
If you're serious about offtanking, I would put 15 points in protection, to get defiance, imp. shield block and Last Stand. This not only helps you as an offtank, it makes tanking 5mans far less of an exercise in frustration as well.
a fury offtank build
an arms offtank build (change weapon spec to match your preferred killing implement)
These are only examples. I've included some general raid utility talents like imp demo shout in fury (this helps tremendously on hard hitting bosses like the prince and 25mans in general) or imp thunderclap and blood frenzy in arms, which are there to help your raid rather than of immediate benefit to you as a tank or DPSer. If you feel they're not needed, skip them and go for something else.
Yes.. as a pure Fury warrior I've tanked all the 5 man instances and Heroic Slave Pens, Mech, and SteamVault.
I'm reasonably sure I could MT most of the heroics except Shattered Halls, Blood Furnace, Black Morass, and Old Hillsbrad.
Karazhan though would be tricky past the first few bosses.. not so much staying alive but generating enough threat for the dps to burn down the boss before the healers go OOM. Anything past Curator other than Shade and Netherspite which you dont "tank" at all would be a no no. Even Moroes would be tricky.. without enough threat on Moroes you really run the risk of to many people getting Garroted for the healers to manage.
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http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/warrior/talents.html?0500502...
I have 51 points I can spend and would like to focus on DPS. What do you think about the above?
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Dhalvid - 70 Night Elf Warrior
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I would not go for any warrior build which didn't have a 31-point instant attack in it. Either spend more in fury and get rampage, or go for mortal strike in arms if you prefer slower twohanders.
After going on several runs with Dhalvid, I just can't picture him with a two-hander; it's contrary to everything I know about him!
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http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/warrior/talents.html?3500030...
Thats the best DPS build at your level.
Remember for Dual wield Fury to work you need a balance of AP, Crit and + Hit. Gimp either of the 3 and the overall effectiveness of Fury diminishes greatly.
Leather Armor is your best friend.
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Also, looking at your talent spec - and I know nothing about warriors - seems to me that a point in Dual Wield is better than a point in Flurry, no? More damage all the time versus more damage some of the time?
Okay, so I know nothing about Warriors, but how about this if you want to go all the way to Rampage?
Granted, I have no idea about stances, etc., but if you use Berserker stance then it seems like it might be good.
Or, if you want more of a hybrid build, what about this? That would let your level 70 build reach Sword Specialization. Seems like there are some sub-optimal points in Arms that you have to take just to get to the talents you really want, though.
Again, one final disclaimer: I know nothing about Warriors, but I really enjoy playing with the talent calculators!
EDIT: Like Cope, I have been beaten to the punch by the infinitely more knowledgeable GG.
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Really the only effective DPS Hybrids are the classic 31/30 build and the 33/28 build which is slightly less PVE DPS but better PVP effectiveness.
30/31 doesnt work really.. since there really isnt anything in Arms that 30 points boosts Fury significantly.. for Fury is really better to go 44 or 42 deep (depending if your doing Dual Wield of 2H'er).
Improved 'zerker stance and the +3% to Hit talent being crucial to Fury DPS.
Rampage as annoying as it is is worth getting at that point.. for the single point it takes to get.
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I've seen people try to get this to work 26/35/0
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/warrior/talents.html?0502530...
The idea being that you'd dual wield Swords and live off the 5% extra attack proc of Sword Spec.... but it flat out doesn't work.
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OK GG check this out:
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/warrior/talents.html?0500530...
I would sacrifice the "chance" of hitting with my melee weapon for 2% and put them in arms. Move the 3 points from Improve Heroic strike (it reduces your rage by 3 points) to Iron Will. Or move skip Iron Will all together and move them under Improve Rend and Improve Overpower. I can alway use rage pots to generage rage if I need it and the rage reduction option doesnt' apeal to me, it just seems like I am wasting talent points. What do you think?
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Dhalvid - 70 Night Elf Warrior
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Plato
iron will is generally a waste your spending points in arms for impale. That's it. G
the +hit is huge for fury dps
Christ I typed this on my iphone
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I can really only seen Rampage as being annoying if you're still trying to run a 2h Fury build. From what I've seen, the changes to rage generation all but killed those, but it could be that I simply haven't seen any, not that I've looked. Back on Rampage, the DW warriors that I've grouped with seem to have it up more often than not, although that could certainly be owing at least in part to either WF or GoA, depending on my mood
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Rampage is just another pain in the ass I have to deal with keeping up.. (thus the annoyance)
30 seconds.. opp! Rampage needs refreshed
2 min Battleshout
3 min Deathwish
2 min Trinket!
3 min Decapitator
bleh
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Have you thought of combining it all into a CastSequence macro? It functions like a giant Case/Switch statement, pretty handy.
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I suck at macro's.. but if you can write it I'd probably use it
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GG, I respeced before Tuesday's run on UBRS and I must say I am well pleased. THanks everyone for all your help. I did not notice any reduction in damage I am hitting on average 300-400+ and more often. I really like the Flurry and Bloodthirst. I changes a couple points around in arms but overall kept the same fury dps config you suggested.
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/warrior/talents.html?0530032...
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Dhalvid - 70 Night Elf Warrior
"You can discover more about a person in an hour of play than in a year of conversation."
Plato
yeah you should really ditch improved rend.. probably the most useless talent we have.. You'll really never be out of Berserker stance so you wont even have rend available. Trust me the +3% to hit talent is crucial. Dual Wield has a innate 24% miss rate against mobs your level. Thats almost 1/4 of your swings will outright miss... thats a huge chunk of dps since ~50% of your dps comes from white damage. You need to get that down to <10% ASAP... so thats 11% to Hit from Gear.. and the +3% from your talent. I'm at 225 To Hit right now and its still not enough.
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Oh, you were on that run? I didn't notice, you must have been very quiet...
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