I honestly thought my cable broke when they cut to black after Med entered the restaurant. Guess they're banking on a movie deal to tie up the loose ends; it actually looked more like a series finale of a show that got canceled rather than one that chose to end it. But, that said, Phil's death was hysterical; I know it's probably not proper to laugh at a dead guy getting run over by a runaway SUV, but I couldn't stop guffawing.
Edit: Strange, in retrospect, the end kind of reminds me of "Monty Python and the Holy Grail," only not as funny.
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All I have to say is: What. The. f*ck. I was watching the episode with two friends and we sat in stunned silence for about a minute before we all started ranting simultaneously. It couldn't have been more comical in any scripted fashion. I just couldn't believe David Chase would slap the audience in the face like that, despite this being his style of writing. Here's an interesting blog post talking about theories for this.
Theory number 4 is a very interesting one. It's very abstract but is something David Chase could do. I can certainly draw my own conclusion which was obviously his vision but I feel a lot more slapped in the face. After the years of this series progression, the long delays over his writer's block, James Gandolfini demanding more money and various cast members getting charges with crimes, I personally do think the audience deserved far more than this big f*ck you ending. That being said, I still plan to buy the series DVD box set when it comes out.
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Or, David Chase knew all the speculation and theories that would be flying before the finale and instead of caving into the mob drama cliche's decided to showcase in the final minutes what this show has ultimately been all about: Tony and his family. I just read one post somewhere that said that with all the paranoia of him getting hit (which was shown full blast in the final minute) or getting busted by the Feds (which also was strongly hinted at; the guy in the Member's Only jacket could have easily been a G-Man instead of a made man), death or prison would be a release from the Purgatory that is the life of Tony Soprano.
Edit: Or, as they used to say in Vaudeville, always leave the audience wanting more.
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It pissed me off more than the ending of "Broken Flowers." 'nuff said.
Edit: I just read the 4 theorie linked to above. I think Theory 4 is plausable, and the sudden cut away makes sense wit it, as does the quote. I guess that means Meadow (learn to park girl) walks in just at the right time to watch it go down.
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I honestly thought my cable broke when they cut to black after Med entered the restaurant. Guess they're banking on a movie deal to tie up the loose ends;
Same.. and agreed.
Movie makes the most sense.. killing off any more major characters wouldn't have worked.
And I think the Fed's feeding Tony info was all just setting him up to perhaps make it that much easier for Tony to flip if he ever got squeezed.
Aint nothing new about the world order..it's been playing since the day they put George Washington on a quarter
Edit: I just read the 4 theorie linked to above. I think Theory 4 is plausable, and the sudden cut away makes sense wit it, as does the quote. I guess that means Meadow (learn to park girl) walks in just at the right time to watch it go down.
But who would clip Tony? Phil's dead.. Phil's crew was already sorta offboard the whole plan even prior to the sitdown and the truce... the "stalemate" was probably eating into both sides profits.. In the end it was probably more profitable for all the NY Families to keep Tony in the seat and things status quo.
Aint nothing new about the world order..it's been playing since the day they put George Washington on a quarter
I honestly thought they were going to go for the Italian opera ending and have Tony redeem himself by going state's evidence only to get whacked anyway -- thus showing that redemption does not come at no cost. That along with Carmella heaving and sobbing over his bloodied body while the camera pans in slow motion and the soundtrack plays the intermezzo from Cavaleria di Rusticana.
There is only an up or down--up to a man's age-old dream, the ultimate in individual freedom consistent with law and order--or down to the ant heap totalitarianism,... those who would trade our freedom for security have embarked on this downward course.
I guess I'm in the minority, I thought the ending was great. Anything could have happened when it faded to black - Meadow could have walked through the door, a hit on Tony, the feds arresting him, etc.
I would be really surprised if they go the movie route, all of the interviews I've read with James Gandolfini have him stating that he is glad he is leaving Tony Soprano behind. However, he did sign a production deal with HBO, so maybe that was the carrot for him to do the movies.
I actually liked the ending. It had sort of a poetic justice over it. None of the other murders we've seen over the entire Sopranos run has been as graphic as this one, the one we didn't see. In a way David Chase killed us, the viewers, with that last scene. And how many years do you think people will talk about this show now?
"You know that amazing show that ran 20 years ago? Yeah, The Sopranos, the one with the ending so many people talked about."
David Chase has ensured that it'll be a show that won't be forgotten.
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I was as shocked and confused as anyone last night, but I've mulled on it a bit more and I'm more mixed than angry in regards to the finale. E! Online (of all places) has a pretty well written commentary: The Sopranos Neither at Rest nor Peace. I can honestly say I don't know how Chase should have ended the show -- anything I can think of (and what I've read) comes across as too predictable and trite for the caliber of show The Sopranos has been.
Still, the end of a remarkable show. I stand by the view that The Sopranos has been the best show ever made for television. It also opened the door for several fantastic shows and ushered in a new era for thoughtful, well written and creative television at a time when it was almost a complete wasteland.
Some odd moments though last night thinking back.. first it looks like summer.. then its snowing.. then there are leaves and it looks like Fall..
Didn't understand the need to go back to Uncle Junior..
The weather threw me off too. I thought he went to vist Uncle Junior more for Bobby than Junior; he was worried Janice was trying to get his supposed stash of hidden money and Tony wanted that to go to Bobby's kids rather than Janice.
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The final scene last night was a masterful bit of manipulation. The banal mundaneness of it all built this growing sense of tension: people coming and going, waitresses chatting with customers, Meadow's trouble with parking. It all contributes to the feeling that something big is coming. I could feel my level of adrenaline rising as I anticipated the big payoff. And then... nothing.
That's the big problem I have with it. Great audience manipulation but ultimately with no reward. And the past several episodes have all felt very rushed. Just short scene BAM next scene BAM. Like the 5 second scene where Carmela's in the tub and Tony tells her AJ's plan to join the Army. Or one of the shots where AJ is talking to his therapist. Scenes where we would have lingered a bit longer in previous seasons were cut short this season.
Best scene of the episode, IMO, was when Tony's FBI contact heard about Phil's death.
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It's funny, I remember the three of us sitting right on the edge of our seats last night, leaving our closed fists waiting for something big to happen and then just all sitting there in silence after the credits start, not knowing what to think before our heads asploded. Now that I've slept on it, I do see more from an artistic point of what why Chase decided to end things the way he did. He probably did want to laugh in the face of all the "probable theories" floating around and still leave the show in a way that won't be forgotten. I do respect that but at the same time still feel a bit cheated. That will subside in time though and once I start watching through the series again, I'm sure I'll realize that the whole experience far supersedes the ending.
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I think the short cuts were mainly just to try and fit as much as possible in the alloted time. They should have allowed a 90 minute or 2 hour finale so he could fit in everything he wanted to do. It may have also been done to try and show the passing of time (like the weather comments).
I'm definitely with the theory that Tony got clipped there at the end. He was dead so everything went dark and silent. The fact that it was done right in front of his family could be revenge for the way Phil was taken down in front of his family (I think that was his wife and most likely grandchildren?). Perhaps even purposely waiting for Meadow to walk in the door since that was the last thing we heard.
But I can see the argument going the other way that we're left to decide our own ending. That life just went on as usual like it always does.
Though, I was expecting some kind of full circle thing to happen involving his pool and the ducks. Not sure what I was expecting really, just figured there'd be something to bookend the series since they were a major focus of the 1st episode.
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I thought it was great. I thought it was a gigantic "f*ck you" to all the people watching for the bodycount, since that was probably missing the point of the show. The show was going to end, so they left on two constants in Tony's life: hislove of his family and his necessary, job-related paranoia.
Chase succeeded, for just a few minutes, to put you in his shoes. You were happy that Tony was sitting down with his family for a nice dinner but you were also looking at the door every time the bell rang.
That said, I can see how a horde of the audience is absolutely livid.
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After mulling over it I'm pretty satisfied. The hype was so huge it was like chase decided that no matter how he ended it he was going to get ripped on so why not leave it to every fan to fill in those 10 seconds with how they want, maybe he couldn't even decide personally how he felt it should end. Now this is assuming they don't do the movie which personally I really don't want to see.
As for the last show itself as a whole amazing. The use of weather and lighting was perfect it gave several scenes perfect atmosphere, most notably the weather when hes meeting the fbi agent at the beginning and the lighting and weather in the warehouse when they make peace and cut Phil out.
Besides the scene of Phil's death which was such perfect twisted comedy the scene where Phil is speaking to his right hand man over the phone was just genius. To start the scene with the tour bus mentioning that little Italy was once 40 blocks and now much smaller and by the end of the scene as he hangs up with Phil and looks around and hes completely lost hes surrounded by Asian people and has walked out of little Italy into China town. Its that type of creativity that has made the show so enthralling over the years.
Am I the only one who felt this was the very same ripoff ending as History of Violence?
There is only an up or down--up to a man's age-old dream, the ultimate in individual freedom consistent with law and order--or down to the ant heap totalitarianism,... those who would trade our freedom for security have embarked on this downward course.
Ahh dammit, I'd just managed to forget about that! Thanks a LOT!
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Am I the only one who felt this was the very same ripoff ending as History of Violence?
A History of Violence felt complete. I may not have liked the movie much, but I didn't leave the theater feeling like there was something left to tell.
You know, the more I think about that theory in DM's post, the more that I'm inclined to agree that Tony's dead. On top of Bobby's line about not hearing the shot that gets you, there's three factors in favor of that conclusion. First is the obvious suspected trigger-man who wore the Members Only jacket; not only did he imitate Michael Corleone's trip to the bathroom, but also Tony was shot at the end of the episode titled "Members Only." Then there's Tony's behavior during that whole sequence. He continually watched the diner for potential threats and even focused on the people that came in with Carmella and A.J. before he noticed them. However, when Meadow came in, she was the only thing he was focused on; suddenly his guard was down in the final seconds before the episode ended. Finally, there's the ten seconds of nothing that showed between the final angle of Tony and the credits rolling. If they wanted to just end the episode on Tony, then they would have cut to the credits immediately. That blank space suggests something happened, that perhaps that it was a symbol for the oblivion of death from the shot that Tony never saw coming.
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Chase succeeded, for just a few minutes, to put you in his shoes. You were happy that Tony was sitting down with his family for a nice dinner but you were also looking at the door every time the bell rang.
This was how I saw it too. It was brilliantly done. I was on the edge of my seat, just waiting for the final shot.
I also thought that the ending scene was the real explanation for Phil's actions - the constant paranoia involved in the job made him irrational, and Chase made us all feel and understand it. Great end for a great show.
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I dont buy some random person whacking Tony.. if anything in the years watching the Soprano's we came to understand that made guys..don't get randomly whacked.. especially not a boss of a family.
Aint nothing new about the world order..it's been playing since the day they put George Washington on a quarter
I dont buy some random person whacking Tony.. if anything in the years watching the Soprano's we came to understand that made guys..don't get randomly whacked.. especially not a boss of a family.
Who says it was a random guy? Tony brought it 2 unknowns from Italy to wack Phil. They screwed up, but the idea is obvious that you bring in unknowns. If it was some recognizable guy from the New York crew Tony would have spotted that right away. The only way to wack a made guy is to bring is someone from out of town.
Mr T broke the speed of light in the A-Team van because he wanted to prove that quantum physics was a bunch of Jibba Jabba.
I dont buy some random person whacking Tony.. if anything in the years watching the Soprano's we came to understand that made guys..don't get randomly whacked.. especially not a boss of a family.
Who says it was a random guy? Tony brought it 2 unknowns from Italy to wack Phil. They screwed up, but the idea is obvious that you bring in unknowns. If it was some recognizable guy from the New York crew Tony would have spotted that right away. The only way to wack a made guy is to bring is someone from out of town.
no you missed my point.. who ordered the hit on Tony? What we learned is that a made guy (let alone a boss) isnt just randomly killed by another family for the hell of it.
They had already had the sitdown with NY and Phil was out the picture.. it appeared from that scene that Little C. was finally taking over that family.
Aint nothing new about the world order..it's been playing since the day they put George Washington on a quarter
I dont buy some random person whacking Tony.. if anything in the years watching the Soprano's we came to understand that made guys..don't get randomly whacked.. especially not a boss of a family.
Who says it was a random guy? Tony brought it 2 unknowns from Italy to wack Phil. They screwed up, but the idea is obvious that you bring in unknowns. If it was some recognizable guy from the New York crew Tony would have spotted that right away. The only way to wack a made guy is to bring is someone from out of town.
no you missed my point.. who ordered the hit on Tony? What we learned is that a made guy (let alone a boss) isnt just randomly killed by another family for the hell of it.
They had already had the sitdown with NY and Phil was out the picture.. it appeared from that scene that Little C. was finally taking over that family.
Yeah I think Prederick had it right, they were just showing Tony's family being his center and his paranoia over his job as a Boss.
Was I the only one who noticed that it looked like Robert Patrick was in the restaurant? The guy with the hat that looked almost as if he was homeless?
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**Edited: the last scene felt like the writers were saying a big f*ck you to the audience. All that build up to... NOTHING.
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I honestly thought my cable broke when they cut to black after Med entered the restaurant. Guess they're banking on a movie deal to tie up the loose ends; it actually looked more like a series finale of a show that got canceled rather than one that chose to end it. But, that said, Phil's death was hysterical; I know it's probably not proper to laugh at a dead guy getting run over by a runaway SUV, but I couldn't stop guffawing.
Edit: Strange, in retrospect, the end kind of reminds me of "Monty Python and the Holy Grail," only not as funny.
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All I have to say is: What. The. f*ck. I was watching the episode with two friends and we sat in stunned silence for about a minute before we all started ranting simultaneously. It couldn't have been more comical in any scripted fashion. I just couldn't believe David Chase would slap the audience in the face like that, despite this being his style of writing. Here's an interesting blog post talking about theories for this.
Theory number 4 is a very interesting one. It's very abstract but is something David Chase could do. I can certainly draw my own conclusion which was obviously his vision but I feel a lot more slapped in the face. After the years of this series progression, the long delays over his writer's block, James Gandolfini demanding more money and various cast members getting charges with crimes, I personally do think the audience deserved far more than this big f*ck you ending. That being said, I still plan to buy the series DVD box set when it comes out.
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Or, David Chase knew all the speculation and theories that would be flying before the finale and instead of caving into the mob drama cliche's decided to showcase in the final minutes what this show has ultimately been all about: Tony and his family. I just read one post somewhere that said that with all the paranoia of him getting hit (which was shown full blast in the final minute) or getting busted by the Feds (which also was strongly hinted at; the guy in the Member's Only jacket could have easily been a G-Man instead of a made man), death or prison would be a release from the Purgatory that is the life of Tony Soprano.
Edit: Or, as they used to say in Vaudeville, always leave the audience wanting more.
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It pissed me off more than the ending of "Broken Flowers." 'nuff said.
Edit: I just read the 4 theorie linked to above. I think Theory 4 is plausable, and the sudden cut away makes sense wit it, as does the quote. I guess that means Meadow (learn to park girl) walks in just at the right time to watch it go down.
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Same.. and agreed.
Movie makes the most sense.. killing off any more major characters wouldn't have worked.
And I think the Fed's feeding Tony info was all just setting him up to perhaps make it that much easier for Tony to flip if he ever got squeezed.
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But who would clip Tony? Phil's dead.. Phil's crew was already sorta offboard the whole plan even prior to the sitdown and the truce... the "stalemate" was probably eating into both sides profits.. In the end it was probably more profitable for all the NY Families to keep Tony in the seat and things status quo.
Aint nothing new about the world order..it's been playing since the day they put George Washington on a quarter
85's face the truth you're too dumb.
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I honestly thought they were going to go for the Italian opera ending and have Tony redeem himself by going state's evidence only to get whacked anyway -- thus showing that redemption does not come at no cost. That along with Carmella heaving and sobbing over his bloodied body while the camera pans in slow motion and the soundtrack plays the intermezzo from Cavaleria di Rusticana.
There is only an up or down--up to a man's age-old dream, the ultimate in individual freedom consistent with law and order--or down to the ant heap totalitarianism,... those who would trade our freedom for security have embarked on this downward course.
I guess I'm in the minority, I thought the ending was great. Anything could have happened when it faded to black - Meadow could have walked through the door, a hit on Tony, the feds arresting him, etc.
I would be really surprised if they go the movie route, all of the interviews I've read with James Gandolfini have him stating that he is glad he is leaving Tony Soprano behind. However, he did sign a production deal with HBO, so maybe that was the carrot for him to do the movies.
I actually liked the ending. It had sort of a poetic justice over it. None of the other murders we've seen over the entire Sopranos run has been as graphic as this one, the one we didn't see. In a way David Chase killed us, the viewers, with that last scene. And how many years do you think people will talk about this show now?
"You know that amazing show that ran 20 years ago? Yeah, The Sopranos, the one with the ending so many people talked about."
David Chase has ensured that it'll be a show that won't be forgotten.
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I was as shocked and confused as anyone last night, but I've mulled on it a bit more and I'm more mixed than angry in regards to the finale. E! Online (of all places) has a pretty well written commentary: The Sopranos Neither at Rest nor Peace. I can honestly say I don't know how Chase should have ended the show -- anything I can think of (and what I've read) comes across as too predictable and trite for the caliber of show The Sopranos has been.
Still, the end of a remarkable show. I stand by the view that The Sopranos has been the best show ever made for television. It also opened the door for several fantastic shows and ushered in a new era for thoughtful, well written and creative television at a time when it was almost a complete wasteland.
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Some odd moments though last night thinking back.. first it looks like summer.. then its snowing.. then there are leaves and it looks like Fall..
Didn't understand the need to go back to Uncle Junior..
Aint nothing new about the world order..it's been playing since the day they put George Washington on a quarter
85's face the truth you're too dumb.
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The final scene last night was a masterful bit of manipulation. The banal mundaneness of it all built this growing sense of tension: people coming and going, waitresses chatting with customers, Meadow's trouble with parking. It all contributes to the feeling that something big is coming. I could feel my level of adrenaline rising as I anticipated the big payoff. And then... nothing.
That's the big problem I have with it. Great audience manipulation but ultimately with no reward. And the past several episodes have all felt very rushed. Just short scene BAM next scene BAM. Like the 5 second scene where Carmela's in the tub and Tony tells her AJ's plan to join the Army. Or one of the shots where AJ is talking to his therapist. Scenes where we would have lingered a bit longer in previous seasons were cut short this season.
Best scene of the episode, IMO, was when Tony's FBI contact heard about Phil's death.
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wordsmythe wrote:
It's funny, I remember the three of us sitting right on the edge of our seats last night, leaving our closed fists waiting for something big to happen and then just all sitting there in silence after the credits start, not knowing what to think before our heads asploded. Now that I've slept on it, I do see more from an artistic point of what why Chase decided to end things the way he did. He probably did want to laugh in the face of all the "probable theories" floating around and still leave the show in a way that won't be forgotten. I do respect that but at the same time still feel a bit cheated. That will subside in time though and once I start watching through the series again, I'm sure I'll realize that the whole experience far supersedes the ending.
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I think the short cuts were mainly just to try and fit as much as possible in the alloted time. They should have allowed a 90 minute or 2 hour finale so he could fit in everything he wanted to do. It may have also been done to try and show the passing of time (like the weather comments).
I'm definitely with the theory that Tony got clipped there at the end. He was dead so everything went dark and silent. The fact that it was done right in front of his family could be revenge for the way Phil was taken down in front of his family (I think that was his wife and most likely grandchildren?). Perhaps even purposely waiting for Meadow to walk in the door since that was the last thing we heard.
But I can see the argument going the other way that we're left to decide our own ending. That life just went on as usual like it always does.
Though, I was expecting some kind of full circle thing to happen involving his pool and the ducks. Not sure what I was expecting really, just figured there'd be something to bookend the series since they were a major focus of the 1st episode.
Mr T broke the speed of light in the A-Team van because he wanted to prove that quantum physics was a bunch of Jibba Jabba.
I thought it was great. I thought it was a gigantic "f*ck you" to all the people watching for the bodycount, since that was probably missing the point of the show. The show was going to end, so they left on two constants in Tony's life: hislove of his family and his necessary, job-related paranoia.
Chase succeeded, for just a few minutes, to put you in his shoes. You were happy that Tony was sitting down with his family for a nice dinner but you were also looking at the door every time the bell rang.
That said, I can see how a horde of the audience is absolutely livid.
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After mulling over it I'm pretty satisfied. The hype was so huge it was like chase decided that no matter how he ended it he was going to get ripped on so why not leave it to every fan to fill in those 10 seconds with how they want, maybe he couldn't even decide personally how he felt it should end. Now this is assuming they don't do the movie which personally I really don't want to see.
As for the last show itself as a whole amazing. The use of weather and lighting was perfect it gave several scenes perfect atmosphere, most notably the weather when hes meeting the fbi agent at the beginning and the lighting and weather in the warehouse when they make peace and cut Phil out.
Besides the scene of Phil's death which was such perfect twisted comedy the scene where Phil is speaking to his right hand man over the phone was just genius. To start the scene with the tour bus mentioning that little Italy was once 40 blocks and now much smaller and by the end of the scene as he hangs up with Phil and looks around and hes completely lost hes surrounded by Asian people and has walked out of little Italy into China town. Its that type of creativity that has made the show so enthralling over the years.
Am I the only one who felt this was the very same ripoff ending as History of Violence?
There is only an up or down--up to a man's age-old dream, the ultimate in individual freedom consistent with law and order--or down to the ant heap totalitarianism,... those who would trade our freedom for security have embarked on this downward course.
Ahh dammit, I'd just managed to forget about that! Thanks a LOT!
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I dunno, I felt it worked better in History of Violence.
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wordsmythe wrote:
A History of Violence felt complete. I may not have liked the movie much, but I didn't leave the theater feeling like there was something left to tell.
You know, the more I think about that theory in DM's post, the more that I'm inclined to agree that Tony's dead. On top of Bobby's line about not hearing the shot that gets you, there's three factors in favor of that conclusion. First is the obvious suspected trigger-man who wore the Members Only jacket; not only did he imitate Michael Corleone's trip to the bathroom, but also Tony was shot at the end of the episode titled "Members Only." Then there's Tony's behavior during that whole sequence. He continually watched the diner for potential threats and even focused on the people that came in with Carmella and A.J. before he noticed them. However, when Meadow came in, she was the only thing he was focused on; suddenly his guard was down in the final seconds before the episode ended. Finally, there's the ten seconds of nothing that showed between the final angle of Tony and the credits rolling. If they wanted to just end the episode on Tony, then they would have cut to the credits immediately. That blank space suggests something happened, that perhaps that it was a symbol for the oblivion of death from the shot that Tony never saw coming.
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I also thought that the ending scene was the real explanation for Phil's actions - the constant paranoia involved in the job made him irrational, and Chase made us all feel and understand it. Great end for a great show.
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I dont buy some random person whacking Tony.. if anything in the years watching the Soprano's we came to understand that made guys..don't get randomly whacked.. especially not a boss of a family.
Aint nothing new about the world order..it's been playing since the day they put George Washington on a quarter
85's face the truth you're too dumb.
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Who says it was a random guy? Tony brought it 2 unknowns from Italy to wack Phil. They screwed up, but the idea is obvious that you bring in unknowns. If it was some recognizable guy from the New York crew Tony would have spotted that right away. The only way to wack a made guy is to bring is someone from out of town.
Mr T broke the speed of light in the A-Team van because he wanted to prove that quantum physics was a bunch of Jibba Jabba.
no you missed my point.. who ordered the hit on Tony? What we learned is that a made guy (let alone a boss) isnt just randomly killed by another family for the hell of it.
They had already had the sitdown with NY and Phil was out the picture.. it appeared from that scene that Little C. was finally taking over that family.
Aint nothing new about the world order..it's been playing since the day they put George Washington on a quarter
85's face the truth you're too dumb.
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Yeah I think Prederick had it right, they were just showing Tony's family being his center and his paranoia over his job as a Boss.
Was I the only one who noticed that it looked like Robert Patrick was in the restaurant? The guy with the hat that looked almost as if he was homeless?
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