The Golden Compass

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A film based on Philip Pullman's The Golden Compass will be in theaters on 12/7/07. The trailer looks mighty good. Is the book series worth reading?

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I've listened to the audio book versions, which were fully voice acted and really well done. The story was enjoyable as a kind of intellectual kids book, not sure how it reads though.

REALLY liking the looks of the movie so far.

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I think they're great. they're pretty quick reads, unless you have ADD like me.

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I don't know why they renamed it for US? What are they going to do when they release it in the UK... it's going to be a name that no one knows...

I liked the first one... The Northern Lights, but The Subtle Knife and The Amber spyglass got stale. I never finished the third one.

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My wife loved the books. Personally, I'd call them great, but not Narnia-level or anything.

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Duoae wrote:
I don't know why they renamed it for US? What are they going to do when they release it in the UK... it's going to be a name that no one knows...

I liked the first one... The Northern Lights, but The Subtle Knife and The Amber spyglass got stale. I never finished the third one.

Probably because they were afraid Americans wouldn't know what the northern lights were.

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I don't know why they renamed it for US? What are they going to do when they release it in the UK... it's going to be a name that no one knows...

I liked the first one... The Northern Lights, but The Subtle Knife and The Amber spyglass got stale. I never finished the third one.

Probably because they were afraid Americans wouldn't know what the northern lights were.

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Marketers do stupid things for stupid reasons.

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That's assuming that they actually have reasons.

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I loved these books. They're just so... different. And neat. Not the usual heroic fantasy archetype stuff.... one of the primary character's main strengths is that she's a phenomenally good liar.

I read them as an adult (about five years ago) and enjoyed them so much... had I encountered them as a kid, I think I've have rated them as some of the best books I'd ever read.

Definitely worth the time to read, IMO. Can't imagine getting bored with them halfway through, wow.

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I don't know why they renamed it for US? What are they going to do when they release it in the UK... it's going to be a name that no one knows...

I liked the first one... The Northern Lights, but The Subtle Knife and The Amber spyglass got stale. I never finished the third one.

They renamed the first book when they released it here, I believe. Anyway, isn't the writer very anti-Tolkien and Lewis? I have never read the books but I heard that they are attack on two writers who I really like.

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Enjoyed reading the books. Waiting cautiously for the movie.

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They renamed the first book when they released it here, I believe. Anyway, isn't the writer very anti-Tolkien and Lewis? I have never read the books but I heard that they are attack on two writers who I really like.

The books are not an attack on Lewis, but Pullman has definitely attacked Narnia in other writings and interviews. I haven't seen anything from him attacking Tolkien.

The books are extremely well written and have a very anti-authoritarian theme. Whether that theme is also taken as anti-religion probably depends more on the reader than the writer, but many have done so.

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Yes, they are intensely anti-authoritarian. Quite lovely in that regard.

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I was fortunate to have seen Part 1 of the London stage production two years ago; I've also read all three volumes.

great depth of intellect, brought to a good level for readers; very much modeled on Milton's "Paradise Lost".

from the stills I've seen, they seem to have captured the visual appeal, but I'm concerned about the story and the characters being "dumbed down".....

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The reason the name of the first book was changed in the US was because of the marketing division of the publisher. The original book had a picture of the Alethiometer on the cover and they thought it would be a good idea to change the name because it sort of looks like a compass.

The books themselves... well, I can't really believe they market them as childrens books. I get the feeling that Pullman has a huge beef with organized religion (not that I have a problem with that at all). It's pretty much the main theme of the book. In his parallel universe the church is also interested in particle physics but technology is at the Victorian level. Interpretation of original sin is another plot mover. There is material proof of the existance of the human soul. By the end of the trilogy, the role of God is questioned. Pretty heady stuff to put in books for kids.

I enjoyed the series very much. I've read it twice. However, I don't have high hopes for the films. The scriptwriter has gone on record as saying that they are toning down the anti religious tones of the source material which will basicly neuter the stories impact. All that will be left is CGI polar bears in armour fighting one another.

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All that will be left is CGI polar bears in armour fighting one another.

Verily, that just might be enough.

I read the books and agree with you. Fine fantasy, and some heavy ideas for children's books. I do hope the movie is true to the source material.

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The scriptwriter has gone on record as saying that they are toning down the anti religious tones of the source material which will basicly neuter the stories impact.

I can see how they would obscure the anti-religion stuff in the first movie, and the second probably, but I don't see how they can avoid it in the third. Toning down the religious references in that book would basically leave you with... nothing?

Maybe their strategy is to win over people with the first movie and then restore the anti-religious later. Call it anti authority if you want but I think the third book at least is very much a criticism of religion, and Christianity in particular.

Anyway, I hope the movie is good. With this, and Stardust this summer, it'll be nice to see some non Lord of the Rings-ish (not that there is anything wrong with LOTR itself) fantasy this year.

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I think they will stress the political aspect of the anti-authoritarian theme rather than the religious aspect, and if they do it right, it won't lessen the stories at all. Obviously the opportunity is there for them to completely neuter them, but I'm optimistic, perhaps naively so.

I think there is plenty of room to interpret the third book as anti-authority, anti-fundamentalism, anti-dogma, etc. without it being specifically anti-Christian. And this is coming from an atheist with a big chip on my shoulder.

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I've got this version:

The Alethiometre version looks like sh*tty airport fiction.

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Yep, i got all three like that. Was it a different publisher? Because i've seen three different versions of the books...

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I'll definitely have to read at least the first one before the movie is released.

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So.... anyone able to make it to the theater this weekend? $26million dollars is a little short of studio expectations for a $180million budget...

I'm going to try to make it to a show sometime this week.

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After reading some reviews of the movie, it doesn't sound like someone who hasn't read the book would enjoy it that much. So, for the sake of my wife, who hasn't, I think we will wait for Netflix.

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I saw the Golden Compass this weekend. They took an excellent adult fantasy novel with anti-authoritarian undertones, and dumbed it down to the point where they can shovel it into a 7-year-old's face. Don't bother, but you should read the book.

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I didn't read the book, but I went to see the movie this weekend. If it hadn't been for the fact that I was there with friends, and I hadn't myself driven, I would have walked out of the movie. I'm having a hard time writing up why exactly I didn't like it, but I'll try:

1) Everything is explained in the movie. It gets frustrating to constantly have to wait for a monologue from a character explaining about 15 pages of the book. (Atleast it felt like 15 pages of a book)
2) Extremely cheesy. Many many times I just put my face in my hands and shook my head.
3) I'm torn about the ending of the movie. When the ending came, two thoughts were running through my head. The first was, "This is such a Halo 2 ending. Its going to end without really closing any story lines." My second though was, "Wait, thats a good thing. I really don't want to sit through another hour of this movie."

There's probably more, but I'd rather just stop thinking about this movie. The movie was made for kids. Clearly. Its not even a movie that I think many adults would enjoy. If you a fan of the books, you might like it. Probably not though. If you've never read the books, don't see the movie. Spend the $10 on buying the book and reading it.

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I completely agree with Tkyl. Those are exactly the reasons I hated it.

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I saw it last night too. It felt like a movie made from a 10 year old's report of the book.

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I purposely held off from reading the books before watching the movie. After watching it i just felt sad. I mean i heard about the fuss between the religious groups and movie fans. In fact my mom called me up just to tell me not to take any younger children to the movie because it was supposed to teach them to not believe in God. *sigh*

Anyway this movie has been stripped of all the potential meat that could make it interesting. This movie was built with the sequels in mind, but instead of cramming the movie full of details and nuances to try and connect to the people who read the book they totally streamlined it to the point that it feels like they filmed an outline instead of an actual book.

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I saw it and thought it was ok. I do feel that plot points are kind of shoved down your throat, and it moves way to quickly. It would proabably be better to watch all 3 movies together, just like it was better to watch Matrix Reloaded and Revolutins together, was much more enjoyable.

And whats with Christopher Lee getting such high billing when he says a whole 2 lines in the entire movie!?

I will most likely skip the theater for the other two.

I was really suprised that the theather was only about 1/4 full as well at a 7:50 showing.

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I saw it on Friday. I have not read the book.

It felt very condensed, like they had too much material to pack into not enough time. Brief scenes bounce back and forth very quickly. Characters are rapidly introduced and immediately accepted as steadfast allies (gyptians, the witch, the aeronaut, the bear).

It was a mildly entertaining movie and had nice visuals for the most part. I just wanted to see polar bears wearing armor fight and I eventually did.

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