GWJ Parenting: Need advice on my son's eating problems

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I'm ready to pull my hair out so I'm hoping to find some sage-like advice from my fellow GWJer parents...

My son is 1 year & 3 months old and our doctor recommended moving him from a diet of formula & baby food to regular food. Well, the transition has been a pain in the ass so far and we cannot get him to eat any "real" food at all. My wife bought a bunch of the Graduates toddler meals so that he can start eating some real food but usually we can only get 3 - 4 spoonfuls into his mouth before he starts spitting everything out or flinging it onto the floor. We've tried everything we can think of but if it isn't a bottle or baby food he won't eat it and gets quite angry with crying while we try to feed him. I know he's hungry and he'll take little nibbles of food off our plates while we eat but otherwise he would rather scream his head off than sit in his highchair and eat an actual meal.

After two weeks of this, my wife and I have no idea what to do to correct this situation. Our doctor's advice was to only feed him real foods and not to give in to him no matter what. Even if it means having him sobbing with tears while sitting in his high chair. I just can't do that. He's a preemie baby as it is and needs all the nourishment he can get and denying him a bottle or baby food seems like a horrible thing to do. If anyone has been in a similar predicament, I'd appreciate any suggestions or advice you might have. Thanks!

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We had similar problems with our daughter. Turned out, she just realy hated eating from our spoon. If we put food on a plate and let her eat it on her own, we had much better luck. We started with green beans and other soft veggies. She never really ever ate baby food at all.

Hang in there, though. This will pass, and you will laugh about it later. Good luck!

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I know its tough L&L, but your doctor is probably right. He'll eat when he gets hungry. Of course, I'm not in your position, and I know that my will power is extremely weak when it comes to my own daughter's crying. So my advice is probably worthless.

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Listen to the doc. Giving in will teach him how to manipulate you.

Besides that, I can't offer any good advice. Stay strong L&L.

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Our son is just a month younger than yours. We started him on regular food several months ago, but we never had much luck with the Graduates meals. He wanted to eat what we were eating, so he basically treated the Graduates food in the way you're describing: playing with them, dropping them on the floor ("uh-oh!"), etc. If we take portions of food off of our plates and cut them up into bite-sized chunks for him, he doesn't feel left out and eats them happily.

I don't have much in the way of advice to offer, but it might be useful to hear that other parents haven't been successful with the Graduates meals.

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Listen to the doc. Giving in will teach him how to manipulate you.

agree 100%, and believe me thats not a precedent you want to set.

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We also have a preemie though a little older now (2.5). The thing with her was that she would eat pretty much anything but only like 2 or 3 bites of it. She still doesn't eat much and is tiny (she's 24lbs at 2.5) but the doctors aren't worried about it so I guess neither are we. It took her 2 years to show up at all on the growth chart.

One thing that we did was pretty much skipped the graduates and went for the unhealthy but tasty real foods. Whatever she would eat, french fries, corn dogs, mac n' cheese, etc. She also likes those little fruit cups a lot. Another thing to keep in mind is that for a long time we mistook her not eating as a result of her not liking the food. In actuality it was her not liking to be fed. Once we laid out the plastic and let her go to town her eating improved a good deal.

I'm all over the place with this but basically if the doctors are worried about his weight they will likely put him on pediasure for a meal or two per day. As for the unhappy baby during feedings, it seems that the whole "don't give in no matter how much they cry" advice is a frequent theme in various areas of child raising and can't be avoided.

I don't know if any of that helps but that was how our experience went.

EDIT: My statement about don't give in no matter how much they cry sounds extreme. There should be obvious difference between "I'm pissed and don't want to eat because I'm a moody baby" and "I'm crying all the time because something is really wrong. I'm not eating and I'm hungry".

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Listen to the doc. Giving in will teach him how to manipulate you.

agree 100%, and believe me thats not a precedent you want to set.

A one year old can not "manipulate" you. From a developmental standpoint, this is a completely erroneous myth that is only going to cause problems for you and your son. Babies cry because something in their little world is amiss. They do not lie, manipulate or misbehave.

I agree with Podunk. Try feeding him the food you eat. Have you ever eaten baby food before? It's totally disgusting.

We have been feeding our daughter what we like to eat as soon as our pediatrician gave us the ok. Of course, in the beginning solid food is for the most part non-nutrative so you're really not "feeding" them. You're just letting them explore textures and tastes. Try a food grinder and just grind up your food for him.

Anyway, we noticed right off the bat that our daughter liked things that were spicy, salty and sweet. She really got into funky goat cheeses, olives and sushi. Burritos, beans and lentils (mashed up) were big hits when we first started. She's two now and has shown no sign of getting picky about her food. Indian, Thai, Chinese, Vietnamese, Mexican, Italian and burgers from the grill. She likes almost everything.

My guess is that a very small percentage of the world's babies have been fed on this overly processed, bland mush that is marketed so heavily in the US.

If that doesn't work, don't panic. Babies are funny, and what won't work one week or one month might work the next. He's still getting most of his nutrients through milk and formula anyway at this point.

Also, don't think that by "giving in" to his crying that you are being "manipulated" by a one year old. It absolutely cannot happen.

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My son liked only one flavor of the graduates as well. I think it was pasta with tomato sauce. Any of the others he'd do the same thing. We went to real people food and he did MUCH better.

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Anyway, we noticed right off the bat that our daughter liked things that were spicy, salty and sweet. She really got into funky goat cheeses, olives and sushi. Burritos, beans and lentils (mashed up) were big hits when we first started. She's two now and has shown no sign of getting picky about her food. Indian, Thai, Chinese, Vietnamese, Mexican, Italian and burgers from the grill. She likes almost everything.

OUCH! Sushi is right out for infants/toddlers and the other stuff would give most little ones gas from hell... not to mention the results in the diaper

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OUCH! Sushi is right out for infants/toddlers and the other stuff would give most little ones gas from hell... not to mention the results in the diaper

I should have mentioned that we did NOT feed her sushi with raw fish or cheeses made with raw milk.

The rest of the stuff was just fine.

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EDIT: Lots of excellent advice while I was taking my time typing this out - mostly covered already

Well... this is a somewhat delicate issue, and please take the following with a grain of salt. It's important you do not stress out about it too much, as the worst thing a parent can do in these circumstances is make a big ruckus about food and give the child a nice set of eating disorders to carry around its adult life. So first of all, try to take it all in perspective. And READ what the experts have to say - again, potentially confusing (as are most things in raising humans) but eventually you'll find your path.

I'll try outline the "accepted wisdom" around these parts, which generally echoes what Jayhawker said. Again, nothing carved in stone.
Solid food can be given to a child once he is capable of sitting up by himself and bringing objects to his own mouth. Teeth are not a prerequisite - start with simple white or dark bread and boiled vegetables, and "safe" things like baby crackers (which melt in his mouth). BTW, that kind of cracker is probably a good thing to give him outside of meals once in a while as a sort of "early practice". Also, since he is over a year old he can basically eat anything an adult eats (as long as it's cooked - rare meat and runny eggs are still a little risky), many babies love omlettes as well (make sure they're not too hot), and once they have their front teeth hard cheeses (e.g. Cheddar) and chicken become popular quickly.
Any child will try to emulate his parents. Try to have your OWN meals with the child at the table (in high chair), and let the boy handle the food by himself as much as possible. This includes playing with the food, making a mess and throwing some of it on the floor. It is very important that the child learns to eat by himself as early as possible, and becomes familiar with the food he eats. It doesn't matter if part of the meal goes by with you putting food in his mouth (by hand, NOT utensil - leave that for things like Yoghurt) while doing some sort of misdirection, but as much as possible of the meal should go by with the boy eating by himself. Again, it might take a little while to get there, but eventually you will.
We've found that once our boy learned to be independent, ignoring him would actually drive him to eat more by himself. We'd all sit down to eat together, and start by placing various bits of food on his high-seat tray, while busying ourselves with our own food (or continued preparation of it). He would start by himself, particularly if we begin by giving him a choice (omlette+tomato+bread, for instance).
It is also very important not to force the baby (too much), and never to chase the child with food outside of a proper meal. It is very easy (as we have witnessed with some family members and friends) to make an issue out of food; this backfires quickly, as we've seen children as small as 1.5 years start manipulating their parents using food - be a good mommy and I'll eat, give me attention and I'll eat etc. Very easy trap to fall for, and difficult to remedy in later stages. Try to be as easy as possible about it, which might not be simple (ours is a premie too, there's was always the fear that he might not be eating well enough etc.). You should be prepared for the fact that starting on solids WILL slow his growth for a while, but it is a critical stage in development, and is above all normal. Formula is much more calorie-rich than "proper" food, and many babies lose some of their fat on transition.

Hope this helps. Most parents struggle with food issues at one time or another, so remember you're not alone

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And so far there isn't, but I think we'll both be a LOT happier when there is. That would get me in bed at a decent hour, and she can sleep through it anyway.

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Why is it that the doctor wants you to move to real food when your boy doesn't appear to be ready? Maybe I'm just a hippy, but I'm with Feral; babies cry for a reason. If he's getting enough to eat and still developing well, is there a reason not to just keep trying to slowly introduce new things to him, as opposed to forcing to eat things he doesn't want?

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It's entirely possible that the doctor has very good reasons for insisting on the transition, but I'm having a hard time figuring out what they are. One more vote for the "let the kid want to do it instead of forcing it on him." school of thought.

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I think that if the doctor believes the boy is sufficiently well developed to start, then he probably is. If his gastric system is ready, and he's capable of bringing items to his mouth, then it's probably safe.

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And so far there isn't, but I think we'll both be a LOT happier when there is. That would get me in bed at a decent hour, and she can sleep through it anyway.

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Edit: Nevermind. I'm not a parent, I'll stay out of this.

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Another thing - when he starts to eat solids, he might choke a little bit (or appear to) often. It takes time to learn how to move the food around the mouth, what size bites to take etc. In any case, this is normal and shouldn't be much of a worry.
You should read a little about baby CPR, if only to keep yourself calm in these situations. The most important bit is to never pat him on the back when he does so sitting down (this will only cause the food to tumble in). If there's a real danger, clear out his mouth then turn him over facing face down, THEN pat his back to get everything out.

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And so far there isn't, but I think we'll both be a LOT happier when there is. That would get me in bed at a decent hour, and she can sleep through it anyway.

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I am SO glad I am not the only one with this problem. Max, who is 12 months, refused to eat anything that wasn't baby-food. One day I gave him a chunk of a baguette that came with my meal, and -lo and behold- he chewed on it. Didn't so much eat it, just chewed. There was a ton of moist bread balls on the floor, but we were as happy as can be. Once he realized that he could handle the texture, the rest has been easy. He now eats asparagus, orange slices, apple slices, basically anything that is big enough for him to hold in a fist and chew on. Cooked Carrots are a favorite. Although after the asparagus, his daycare teacher asked us "Is he always a this farty?" so we may cut that one out.

Good luck! It took us about two months of handing him food before he caught on.

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FeralPug wrote:

A one year old can not "manipulate" you. From a developmental standpoint, this is a completely erroneous myth that is only going to cause problems for you and your son. Babies cry because something in their little world is amiss. They do not lie, manipulate or misbehave.

Also, don't think that by "giving in" to his crying that you are being "manipulated" by a one year old. It absolutely cannot happen.

Interesting! I'm not a parent so I don't pretend to know anything, but this is the opposite of what I've heard and observed in my very limited experience.
Question: I've often seen children fall down and bump themselves against something, get right back up no problems, and wait until their parents notice them to start crying: apparently this behavior is to receive attention from their parents.
Or children might cry in a toy store when they don't receive what they want. Again, apparently this behavior is because they know that the crying annoys their parents and by doing this they get what they want.
I'm not an expert by any means but I've always thought that made sense.
Granted, there is a definite difference between a 5 year old trying to manipulate you and a 1 year old trying to manipulate you, and I can see why that would be too early in the developmental stage for such behavior. So my question is: at what age is this kind of manipulative behavior generally learned? Is this why we have the "Terrible Two's?"

Sorry if this is off-topic, I just rarely get the opportunity to discuss child psychology and am genuinely interested. I have no advice to give to the OP, other than that you seem like a caring parent and I'm sure that one way or another the situation will get resolved.

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Try introducing sweet, tasty food like diced apples and pears. Babies would often play and fidget with that, and will get their fingers covered in juices. Since they will inevitably put fingers into their mouth, it doesn't take long for them to figure where the sweet taste comes from.

Besides, EAT IT WITH HIM. Make sure that he sees that other people are eating this food and like it.

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I'm not a parent either.

I'd say "let the kid do things at his own pace" if you were living in the jungle or on the savannah and you were letting the young get the first bites of the kill... But we live in a very unnatural world and you can't always trust nature to help kids adapt to it. I saw a clip online about an 8-year-old that still breastfeeds... creepy.

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Totally went through this, especially with our first. I had major, MAJOR food stress. It's one of those primal things -- MUST FEED CHILD< CHILD MUST EAT!!!

But, I did learn my own cardinal rule, which is consistency. No, a 1 year old isn't "manipulating" but there is NO question in my mind that if you are consistent, your child is happier. If it's solid food from here on out, then so be it. It's the same with sleep. If you give in occasionally on any particular topic, you absolutely teach them that complaining/crying/whining is an effective strategy. Kids are smart, they're smarter than animals, and even rodents figure this out with months of being born.

Now that our kids are older, we have tried to stick fast to the rules on food. We make dinner. It's got good stuff in it and it's not horribly bad. Eat it or don't eat it. But there's no end-around for a pile of crackers after dinner or a last minute banana. Dinner is dinner.

In general, I think it's worked wonderfully, and it's kept food from being a battle or a negotiation or a reward or a punishment. It's just food. My hope is that it remains that way for them.

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Dysplastic wrote:
FeralPug wrote:

A one year old can not "manipulate" you. From a developmental standpoint, this is a completely erroneous myth that is only going to cause problems for you and your son. Babies cry because something in their little world is amiss. They do not lie, manipulate or misbehave.

Also, don't think that by "giving in" to his crying that you are being "manipulated" by a one year old. It absolutely cannot happen.

Interesting! I'm not a parent so I don't pretend to know anything, but this is the opposite of what I've heard and observed in my very limited experience.
Question: I've often seen children fall down and bump themselves against something, get right back up no problems, and wait until their parents notice them to start crying: apparently this behavior is to receive attention from their parents.
Or children might cry in a toy store when they don't receive what they want. Again, apparently this behavior is because they know that the crying annoys their parents and by doing this they get what they want.
I'm not an expert by any means but I've always thought that made sense.
Granted, there is a definite difference between a 5 year old trying to manipulate you and a 1 year old trying to manipulate you, and I can see why that would be too early in the developmental stage for such behavior. So my question is: at what age is this kind of manipulative behavior generally learned? Is this why we have the "Terrible Two's?"

Sorry if this is off-topic, I just rarely get the opportunity to discuss child psychology and am genuinely interested. I have no advice to give to the OP, other than that you seem like a caring parent and I'm sure that one way or another the situation will get resolved.

My take on this is that you are talking about a toddler versus an infant. I would think the behaviors you mention are absolutely toddler and absolutely manipulative. I'm not sure that L&L's son is quite there yet. It's coming though!

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Looks like you got some good advice here, and I particularly like Rabbit's. I would only add, to keep trying new things, different tastes and textures. With our first daughter we made the mistake of once finding something she liked sticking with it too long and not introducing new foods. As the years went on she became very finicky and only ate a few things, lots of pasta, some fruits, cereal, &c.. We tried everything to get her to eat some other things. She is now 12 and it is only within the past month that she has begun to eat what the rest of the family eats. I took her in for her wellness check and mentioned the eating issue to the doctor. She gave my daughter a real good talking to, explained that she is do for a bit of a growth spurt and that her menses will soon be starting, and that the way she was eating her body was just not going to handle it very well. She also told her that if things don't change within a month that it would be time to visit a nutritionist.

My daughter really took this to heart and from that visit on has been eating what the rest of us do. The doctor also got on me and the wife a bit. Explained that the oldest daughter should be given what the family is eating and that if she doesn't want it she doesn't get to eat. None of this fixing her own bowl of cereal for dinner or mac and cheese or the other couple of items she liked; you eat what the family eats or don't eat. When she got hungry enough she could come and eat the plate we had made for her, otherwise no eating. So far we haven't had to do that. Doctor also said she had to eat a certain number of bites of everything on the plate.

Meanwhile our younger daughter we did a lot better with and she eats everything, except for real spicy Mexican or Thai foods.

Good luck and be strong, its the best thing for your child. But believe me, I know hard it can be when the one thing you love so dearly is crying right there in front of you and it can all end by "giving in" to what they are wanting and not what they should have.

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Manipulate is the word everyone seems to be getting caught on, and that's the wrong word. But kids do learn, and they do it insanely quickly. And if you respond to him crying like that by changing to what he wants, then that is how he will express his wants and needs to you. Being firm but kind, and robotically consistent is the key here.

That said, the Graduates things are a scam. They have even less taste than the regular baby food. They're quite nasty. No wonder he doesn't want it. My gang wouldn't put up with them (they had a different name back then).

Giving him real food is great advice I see echoed all up this thread and it was was what worked for me. Most things can be either chopped fine or lightly run through the food processor. Or just try giving him a couple tablespoons of cooled macaroni and cheese and have him chase it around the tray for a while. Don't bother with the plate, or utensils, or a shirt (or manners). Just invest in one of those plastic sheets that go under their chair. My eldest loved steamed rice. Just put it on the tray is one or two bite amounts and let him go get it. When he's done spreading it out in a fine layer over everything in throwing range and putting about a third of it in his mouth, put more out. Steamed carrots, peas, scrambled eggs, small cubes of cheese, all that sort of thing.

It's a gross process, and you have to pay attention because you'll never know quite what they'll come up with. My gang used to love to suck the centers out of french fries and left these little potato pelts all over the place.

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Dysplastic wrote:
FeralPug wrote:

A one year old can not "manipulate" you. From a developmental standpoint, this is a completely erroneous myth that is only going to cause problems for you and your son. Babies cry because something in their little world is amiss. They do not lie, manipulate or misbehave.

Also, don't think that by "giving in" to his crying that you are being "manipulated" by a one year old. It absolutely cannot happen.

Interesting! I'm not a parent so I don't pretend to know anything, but this is the opposite of what I've heard and observed in my very limited experience.
Question: I've often seen children fall down and bump themselves against something, get right back up no problems, and wait until their parents notice them to start crying: apparently this behavior is to receive attention from their parents.
Or children might cry in a toy store when they don't receive what they want. Again, apparently this behavior is because they know that the crying annoys their parents and by doing this they get what they want.

Over the last three years my wife and I been undoing some really awful behaviors with my adopted son (he's 13 now, we adopted him when he was just turning 10). A child that young isn't manipulating, he's simply doing what he's learned works with his parents. If crying works to get parental attention, then the baby will do it to get attention. There are good ways around this - I've seen parents training kids as young as 6 months with sign language so they can communicate properly instead of crying. I think getting kids on the right track early is really, really important - My son was completely on the wrong track for nine years and let me tell you it is UGLY. he was basically still crying for attention at ten years old (tantruming).

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After two weeks of this, my wife and I have no idea what to do to correct this situation. Our doctor's advice was to only feed him real foods and not to give in to him no matter what. Even if it means having him sobbing with tears while sitting in his high chair. I just can't do that.

Your doctor is absolutely right (assuming he's not a complete quack - you might try a second opinion to make sure the kid is ready to eat solids). As for the crying - steel yourself and push through it. It's your job as a parent to do the right thing, not the thing that makes the kid stop crying. This doesn't mean you get medieval on the kid or neglect him, it means you stop responding to crying for attention, learn to know when it's real and when it's not (this is most likely not, assuming he's not in immediate pain and hasn't been left alone or anything), and teach him to express himself in other ways when he needs or wants something.

In fact, I'd say you've got the solution to the problem already, and several people have mentioned this - if he's eating stuff from your plates in small bites, go with that and see if he'll eat more in small pieces or ground up. Sounds like what he wants is *your* food.

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Sooner or later (probably sooner than you think) your child will come around and start eating real food, especially if you keep offering him lots of healthy, tasty options. Unless there's reason to believe he's undernourished, I wouldn't worry too much about it. Some kids resist giving up the bottle/mush, but they all get around to it eventually.

My daughter flat-out refused to eat solid food of any kind until she was old enough to feed herself. She never did allow us to feed her from a spoon, ever. No baby food, etc. We worried about it a lot, but we decided we weren't going to let her be hungry at that age. Sometimes you have to pick your battles. She grew like a weed and was happy and healthy, and soon enough she was eating just like we were. Now I wish we had worried about it less.

Once she came around to feeding herself on a regular basis, and we had her on a family eating schedule, we didn't mind enforcing the "this is your meal so you'd better it it if you're hungry" rule. I don't think it would have helped any of us out had we forced the issue during that transitional phase, though.

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I tend to fall into the "be consistent, be firm, but try different foods to see if something else will work" category.

I *do* think baby, even newborns, learn to manipulate. It's their way of getting what they want. If you let them sleep with you every time they cry in the middle of the night, expect to hear them crying every night you try to put them in their own crib. Likewise, if you keep giving in and giving him the bottle/nipple, it will just take that much longer. A lot of this is about the parents being disciplined.

Letting your child try to feed him/herself is a good idea. I think we pretty quickly moved from that starter mush to things like Cheerios. I seem to recall that both of my kids liked to gum those, even when they didn't have any teeth.

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My child is a preemie as well, and we have had huge feeding issues. So much so that at 3 years old, he still gets 3 full servings of Pediasure a day to supplement his diet. It took a long time of consistently sitting him down 3 meals a day and offering him food before he decided he was ready. And I do say offering it to him - it is easy to get frustrated when you so desperately want him to eat something - anything - and he just won't do it. Try not to get frustrated, and don't try to force him to eat. That will only make things worse and make him associate eating with you being upset.

And by all means, let him play with the food. Let him mush it around and make such a mess that you laugh and get the camera out. Meal time needs to be a happy time. Also try foods with strong flavors. My son definitely responded better to stuff that gave the taste buds a kick start. Those Graduates are garbage.

Also, don't panic if he goes through phases of starting to eat well, and then seeming to regress. This is not uncommon with preemies. It took about 3 "false starts" like that before my boy took off.

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On the crying thing. I remember advice I was given by someone once about kids running into things/falling down etc. Don't react. If they need help, they'll be really clear. My son is very tough on things (and himself) and he's constantly falling off things, running into pointy bits, etc. From the very beginning, when he'd do a faceplant or something, we'd just stare at him with our eyes open in a "wow!" pose. I think we've struck just the right chord. Now, when he does something really stupid, he just sort of looks around to see who noticed. If nobody did, he just gets up and keeps on going. If my mother, god bless her, sees it and says OOOOoooh, are you ok? then the crying starts.

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rabbit wrote:
On the crying thing. I remember advice I was given by someone once about kids running into things/falling down etc. Don't react. If they need help, they'll be really clear. My son is very tough on things (and himself) and he's constantly falling off things, running into pointy bits, etc. From the very beginning, when he'd do a faceplant or something, we'd just stare at him with our eyes open in a "wow!" pose. I think we've struck just the right chord. Now, when he does something really stupid, he just sort of looks around to see who noticed. If nobody did, he just gets up and keeps on going. If my mother, god bless her, sees it and says OOOOoooh, are you ok? then the crying starts.

Best advice I ever heard on crying:
Don't worry about your kid crying. Worry when they hurt themselves and go completely quiet.

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wordsmythe wrote:
Best advice I ever heard on crying:
Don't worry about your kid crying. Worry when they hurt themselves and go completely quiet.

Exactly my attitude (which tends to drive my wife nuts). For some reason it didn't help when I justified it with:
a) Crying is one of Baby's natural functions, and
b) Crying => Breathing. Silent => Schroedinger's Baby.

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And so far there isn't, but I think we'll both be a LOT happier when there is. That would get me in bed at a decent hour, and she can sleep through it anyway.

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