UPS - What Brown Did For Me
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So my gaming PC is getting a little long in the tooth but a full-blown DX10 level upgrade isn't in the financial realm of possibility right now. As an interim upgrade until I can afford a better one, I purchased a slightly used Diamond X1950Pro 512MB AGP card off eBay from a guy in Florida at a good price. He only charged me $15US for shipping so I figured he was using USPS and expected my card in a couple of weeks. As it turns out, he shipped it with UPS which is cool because it got here fast. That's all that was good about it.
I come home from work yesterday to find a UPS "InfoNotice" on my front door, indicating their first delivery attempt and the $100(?!) customs charge that was due at delivery. That charge now makes the card not worth buying used and if the guy had used USPS, it wouldn't have been there. That irks me somewhat but knowing that if I refuse the shipment I'll get negative feedback, I decide to eat my mistake. The thing says they'd try again tomorrow (today) between 10:30am and 1:30pm, when I again will be at work. I call the 800 number and am told they're closed (this is at 7:00pm) but will be open again at 7:00am.
I call them this morning while I'm getting ready to go. I ask them if I can do the same thing you can with every other courier which is sign the slip to have the package left at the door and give them my credit card for the customs charge. Oh no dear friends. UPS (the second-largest courier in the world) doesn't accept credit cards, only cheques or cash and for packages this size, they have to get a signature and hand it to a person. I ask if I can have them deliver the package later in the day when I'll be home and get tersely told "No, you can't tell our driver when to show up." With Purolator (a Canadian courier I've used many times), you can ask the driver to show up after a certain time and if you can't be around you can ask them to redirect the shipment to any of their local shipping centers so I figured I could do that instead. They say sure but it won't be there until Monday. That really pisses me off because now I won't have the card for the weekend when I would have time to install it and break it in.
I ask why since it's 7:30 in the morning and doesn't the driver just drop it there after his shift. They say that's true but I won't be able to pick it up today because wait for it...the center isn't open on Friday!
Head about to asplode all over the place, I ask with me teeth clenched what the hours for the place are. I am told no word of a lie, 9:30am-1:30pm and 4:30pm-6:00pm on Monday to Thursday. Banks keep better hours than that. The only slight advantage is that the center is only about 10 minutes from my house. With Purolator, they have five shipping centers in Ottawa, any of which you can have your package sent to and which are open from 9:00am-7:00pm during the week and also for several hours on Saturday.
So for the privilege of paying more for the card than it's worth (because the seller chose to use UPS and their customs charges are the highest in the industry), I have to go for the weekend without my new card and have to go pick it up during these obnoxious hours. Why? Because UPS obviously has enough business that they just don't have to give a damn about customer service based on any sort of sanity. If this was a product that I urgently needed, I would be completely screwed.
The moral of the story: Even if your life depends on it, don't use UPS. EVER.
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I cannot stand UPS, they are horrible
Especially living in Canada, I never liked sellers that go with UPS because of the horrendious charges even if they are not customs charges but UPS has nothing good going for them, It seems like they rip off everyone.
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I just don't get it because it isn't like there's a shortage of competition in the courier business.
I ended up checking a little further into the card I bought and it turns out that the guy's listing specifically said he ships USPS. I'm not sure why he went with UPS but there would have been no customs charges with USPS and though it would've taken a lot longer to get here, I was expecting that. I told him I'd like him to cover half of the $100 fee and that if he doesn't, I'll be refusing the package and leaving him negative feedback for not shipping with the advertised carrier. Though honestly, I'm not sure why I said half.
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I once ordered something through UPS with overnight delivery. According to tracking, it sat in a warehouse "waiting for pickup" for 20 hours. Needless to say, I didn't get it overnight, and they wouldn't give me a refund.
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I'm from Canada and have the same hatred for UPS. After paying $90USD for insured shipping on a laptop in 2002 from an eBay store, I was hit with a surprise $325 bill for custom fees when they delivered it. Now I avoid big purchases from the US (especially eBay) when they only ship UPS. Sometimes you can avoid fees through UPS it if it's small in size or the customs claim is for a small amount of money or its submitted as a "gift".
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Other than losing a rifle for a few days, I've never had a problem with UPS. It appears that the American version is more efficient though.
Now USPS, there's a cluster F.
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USPS has been amazingly more competent and better at shipping than UPS ever has been to me.
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There are a number of reasons I never ship via "oops". I loathe them. USPS or Fedex are pretty much all I'll use.
I've never had a single problem with UPS.
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I ship 100's of packages around the world every week, and in three years, I've never had a package lost (knock on wood) with UPS. Heck, for that matter, I can't say I've ever had a package delayed to a point where a customer would complain. Things have been hung up in customs departments several times, but that's a product of the country (at least as I understand it), and a few East coast snow storms have caused some delays.
Now DHL, THERE'S a sucktastic company. FedEx is okay, but their shipping software (aka the web) is pitiful compared to UPS's Worldship.
Poor Canadian bastards....
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Here's one of my "Makes you go hmmmmm" UPS stories-
I work by contract for a company that is located in a busy urban area roughly 100 miles south of me. Instead of having me drive down there to pick up disks and hardcopies of the materials I need for projects, they usually just Fedex them to me. So, one Monday morning they ship out a package to me using UPS 2-day service instead of the usual Fedex. I shrug and go about my business for the rest of the week. On Friday morning I give my company a call and tell them that UPS tracking shows it still sitting in a sorting facility about a mile from their offices. We grumble about it and my contact decides to give them a call and see what the hell is going on because there is a looming deadline. About 2 hours later I get a call from a very cranky lady at UPS informing me in a very snide tone that they weren't going to be able to deliver my package and that I should come pick it up. I ask her it's current location thinking the tracking must be wrong and that it should be at my local sorting center. Negative, aparently the tracking was indeed correct and the package was still sitting down there, 1 mile from where it was sent.
I'm still stunned a little at this point with the tone of the call and for them to be dumb enough to ask me to come pick it up only a short distance of where it was shipped from. I asked her why there was the delay since it was supposed to be second day delivery. Once again in a snide tone she informs me that they "Have a lot of packages to deliver." I responded with a none too eloquent but fitting "I sure as hell hope so, you are a shipping company after all." Then I get a "Well, are you going to come pick it up?" To which I replied something to the effect of not in the pit of all hades and "Do you damn job and deliver the package."
Suffice it to say I spent several more minutes getting the details of how to file a formal complaint from her manager who wasn't very cooperative himself. In the end I sent a few letters via good old snail mail to their corporate HQ. I've received a couple calls now and a refund for the shipping including an apology letter but it still colors my entire view of UPS.
The great part - my contact dropped a new package off at Fedex with overnight & Saturday delivery and got it before 10:30am the next morning. The original package finally showed up on the Wednesday of the following week.
Hmmm. I've had great luck with UPS in the DC area; the carriers are friendly and reasonable. If I'm not home, they'll put a package in plastic (to keep rain off) and stash it behind a bush out of sight from passersby. I sometimes see a package take a day or two longer than I expect to arrive, but nothing out of the ordinary.
FedEx, on the other hand, has actually left me "second notice" delivery notes after not trying to deliver the first time. That's classy.
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Not a fan of UPS myself. I ended up paying 80 dollars custom fees on 40 dollars worth of shirts from Think Geek.
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UPS is pretty decent around here. I worked for them right before I started at Westat (holiday temp job). What your driver does is company policy... with town homes, you can leave the package in plastic at the door, as long as it's reasonably out of sight. It saves the driver time because he doesn't have to wait for a signature, doesn't have to put it back in the truck, and doesn't have to reprocess it when he gets back to the loading docks. It also makes the customer happy, because they don't have to go hunt down their package.
I've gotten the same thing from FedEx around here (even once got a final delivery notice on the first day), but it didn't bother me because the shipping center is right over off of Old Gunpowder road, so it's about a 10 minute drive for me, and I can pick the package up after 4PM.
But for me, I always feel more comfortable getting stuff shipped to me via USPS. UPS and FedEx were both really slow in SC, and the post office would normally get the package to you a few days before you were supposed to. I once got an item from California shipped overnight and I only paid the 7-14 day ground shipping on it. That kind of service really keeps your business.
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I've found that for UPS, the offices are completely crap and actively try to be assholes and not help anyone. But if you're nice to the drivers, they will usually be much more helpful. The driver who delivers to me will normally just leave the package at the door out of sight now. They used to always leave the "missed you" note up on the door. It was great when it was a realllly windy day and the notice would blow off the door and get lost somewhere in my complex. If I was specifically waiting for a package, I'd have to go searching around for the note to sign and tape back up on my door.
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I get lots of PCs from Dell being a Sysadmin. Once we ordered 17 computers at once. I had 17 Monitors, 17 PCs, and 17 speaker boxes delivered to Carlisle, TN and NOT to Carlilse, PA. Get this there is no carlisle, TN. Somehow UPS found a way to screw that up and apparently made up a town! Some guy in TN could have been VERY VERY lucky that day had he just kept those PCs. I think the order was for something like $20,000. Took UPS about 2 weeks to finally get me the packages as they had to contact Dell and figure out where to send the boxes (which when i got them were addressed correctly). I don't know how you can F that up so bad. They company they delievered it to even told the UPS guy he didn't order anything in that many boxes. I would have loved to see the look on that guys face when 2 trucks of PCs showed up at his door!
UPS also mixes up our buildings all the time. These bulidings are on opposite ends of town (3 miles apart) and the numbers aren't even close nor are they on the same road.
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UPS' 3-day service has inexplicably become their 6-day service for my brother's new computer parts.
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I normally get lucky with both UPS and FedEx as both have hubs and shops/centers/whatever within about 15 minutes of my house. And air shipments come right into CVG and tend to be here super quick.
That said the few times I've had problems it's generally been UPS. I once had something shipped next day air. Packages shipped that way that aren't delayed by weather or whatever else are supposed to be guaranteed by like 10:00am.
The package got here at about 7pm that night. I mentioned it as nicely as possible and the driver just kind of shrugged and got back in his truck. They wouldn't give a refund or even so much as a discount.
The downside to using Fedex is that they tend to be pretty drastically more expensive for the quicker shipping options.
I've had a negative experience or two with Fedex as well though so I really can't claim much allegiance to either one.
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Yeah I kind of paid for the morning one for a fairly important reason. That's where most of the frustration came from.
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I still have dual cpu's sitting in a UPS warehouse somewhere that I won on ebay a year or so ago. The 40$ wasn't worth it to me (they were older cpus for a test server)
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Fun fact: UPS drivers are part of franchises that 'buy' their delivery routes, or at least that's what I was told by the UPS guy I used to work with. That may explain the huge variation in service in some areas.
My only beef with them is what a PITA it is to try to pick up a package that they weren't able to deliver while I was home. The waiting room is like a refugee camp full of people gazing at each arriving truck with hungry eyes, hoping this will finally be the one that carries their eagerly-awaited parcel.
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Aside from the fact that they attempt deliveries when any normal human being is working (i.e. the fabled "first shift"), I've never had any problems.
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That's why I have packages delivered to my work address.
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Yup, plus commercial delivery seems to have better handling and be quicker.
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Having things shipped to work isn't viable for everyone though.
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Unfortunately, NewEgg uses UPS exclusively, so when I did an RMA on some parts, they sent it back via UPS - only the problem is they had it require a signature.
So they come on Thursday and Friday at 2:00pm, then leave a note going, "oh, hey, you're going to have to be here when we f*ckin' feel like it."
Very, very irritating.
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A most unfortunate fact given that I live only 30 seconds away from a FedEx warehouse and shipping facility. In addition to that, I have to pay a sales tax for Internet purchases from them due to living in TN. Pisses me off.
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Well, I'm happy to say that the seller of my item responded today and was actually quite apologetic. He said I was the first Canadian buyer he's shipped to (yeah yeah Canada does it get delivered by sled-dog or something blah blah blah, you're not funny) and he didn't know UPS liked to go all over-a-barrel-with-a-ball-in-your-mouth on customs charges. He said if I was willing to wait the time needed, I should feel free to refuse the package and he'll eat the loss and re-ship it with USPS (which I've actually never had a problem with getting items from the US.) If I wasn't willing to wait, he'd give me a refund. The card is very worth it without the customs charge so I'm going to wait for it. Thankfully it all worked out and he said he'll never use UPS again to ship up here. I definitely hope it's the last time I ever have to deal with these people.
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