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...to a bunch of "nappy headed hos".

I can see why people are getting upset about this, but considering the source, I don't think it's that big of a deal. Imus is infamous for his off-color remarks - hell, that's why I like watching him on the rare moments I'm up early/late enough to catch him on MSNBC.

Here's a catalog of some his more "nifty" remarks:

1. Called Rush Limbaugh "a fat, pill-popping loser."
2. Referred to Lesley Stahl as a "gutless, lying weasel."
3. Called Tucker Carlson a "bowtie-wearing p***y."
4. Called Congressman Joe Barton "a lying fat little skunk from Texas", a "pipsqueak" and a "coward and a crybaby."

Imus is a shock jockey, it's part of his whole schtick to say these things. If this had come from someone like Joe Scarborough, Dr. Phil, Geraldo, or Katie Couric, that would be a whole different matter. But this is what Imus does! C'mon people, have a sense of humor!

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Using "Nappy headed" and "Jigaboos" is up there with tossing words n*ger, k*ke, sp*c, w*tback, sp*ok, sand n*gger out on the air. The only way you're going to see those kind of terms in a show is if it's clear the character is supposed to be a racist. Tossing them in to reference a group of real people? Oh, man. Infinity must have gone nuts. If the show wasn't such a money maker, he'd already be out of a job.

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Another reason I don't listen to him. Last thing we need is for liberals to decide they'd do best copying the foul antics of Limbaugh and Coulter.

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Say what you want about him, Limbaugh is clearly doing something right if he's the only radio host that could get the Vice President on his show.

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LobsterMobster wrote:
Say what you want about him, Limbaugh is clearly doing something right if he's the only radio host that could get the Vice President on his show.

Yeah..that's like saying because Fox news talks about the president in a positve light they are obviously dong a good job.

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I was being facetious, Dr. G.

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Dr.Ghastly wrote:
LobsterMobster wrote:
Say what you want about him, Limbaugh is clearly doing something right if he's the only radio host that could get the Vice President on his show.

Yeah..that's like saying because Fox news talks about the president in a positve light they are obviously dong a good job.


Or like saying because the rest of the press puts him in a negative light they are obviously doing a good job?

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Dr.Ghastly wrote:
LobsterMobster wrote:
Say what you want about him, Limbaugh is clearly doing something right if he's the only radio host that could get the Vice President on his show.

Yeah..that's like saying because Fox news talks about the president in a positve light they are obviously dong a good job.


Or like saying because the rest of the press puts him in a negative light they are obviously doing a good job?

Name one thing Cheney's done that wasn't questionable, if not borderline supervillainous? Or is the media biased if they don't dig up some good press about bad people too?

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LobsterMobster wrote:
Nosferatu wrote:
Dr.Ghastly wrote:
LobsterMobster wrote:
Say what you want about him, Limbaugh is clearly doing something right if he's the only radio host that could get the Vice President on his show.

Yeah..that's like saying because Fox news talks about the president in a positve light they are obviously dong a good job.


Or like saying because the rest of the press puts him in a negative light they are obviously doing a good job?

Name one thing Cheney's done that wasn't questionable, if not borderline supervillainous? Or is the media biased if they don't dig up some good press about bad people too?

Well, I think shooting his friend in the face was an honest mistake.

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Add "nappy headed" to the list of things that you can only say if you're black (even if said comment is made in jest).

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Using "Nappy headed" and "Jigaboos" is up there with tossing words n*ger, k*ke, sp*c, w*tback, sp*ok, sand n*gger out on the air. The only way you're going to see those kind of terms in a show is if it's clear the character is supposed to be a racist. Tossing them in to reference a group of real people? Oh, man. Infinity must have gone nuts. If the show wasn't such a money maker, he'd already be out of a job.

I think he ought to be able to say any of it. I think anybody should. People that don't like it should be free to vote with their radio dial and even outright protest the man, but I don't think they should have the outright leverage to demand his job. Let him lose it the old fashioned way. By seeing his ratings go in the tank.

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Let him lose it the old fashioned way. By seeing his ratings go in the tank.

I haven't heard of the FCC getting involved, so if he loses his job he'll lose it the old-fashioned way: the boss would come in and tell him he's making the company look bad.

Ratings are all well and good, but it's sponsors that drive that decision. Big sponsors generally don't want to associate their products with shows where black people are called "jigaboos," hispanics are called "spics", or jews are called "kikes." This is the workings of the market. Those shows probably exist on internet radio, but I can't imagine they get much advertising from the likes of Ford, Apple, Colgate, etc.

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Big sponsors generally don't want to associate their products with shows where black people are called "jigaboos," hispanics are called "spics", or jews are called "kikes."

Unless the person making said remarks is a "minority".

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CannibalCrowley wrote:
Add "nappy headed" to the list of things that you can only say if you're black (even if said comment is made in jest).

CannibalCrowley wrote:
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Big sponsors generally don't want to associate their products with shows where black people are called "jigaboos," hispanics are called "spics", or jews are called "kikes."

Unless the person making said remarks is a "minority".

I'm guessing you have a problem with that. Just curious why? Assuming you aren't of a minority, are you missing out on something by being unable to use slurs and have it be socially acceptable?

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I'm guessing you have a problem with that. Just curious why? Assuming you aren't of a minority, are you missing out on something by being unable to use slurs and have it be socially acceptable?

I find the hypocrisy appalling. The people who have such a problem with those words are saying on one hand that racism is despicable and should be eliminated; however, at the same time they claim that those words can only be used by people of that race, which is racist in itself. I find it hard to take someone seriously when he is simultaneously denouncing and advocating racism.

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First off, Imus comment was ridiculously insulting to anyone that caught it. Unecessary, distasteful, stupid...all kinds of adjectives can apply.

But I'm curious,

hubbinsd wrote:
Assuming you aren't of a minority..."

Does that equate to, "Assuming you are white..."?

I think the terms minority/majority are just another way of making broad swiping stereotypes regardless of which direction the terms come from.

Is something like "Cracker" socially acceptable, but these other terms are not?
What really defines a minority, is it population count at a national level, regional or local one?
Even if population alignments changes, does a new metric for maintaining majority / minority come into play? economic status, number of CEOs.... etc?
When does the switch flip and a majority becomes a minority, or is it impossible for a historic majority to become a minority?
How about situationally... if a caucasian posts to these forums from an Asian country.... do they fall into the minority category based on the local population.

I dont buy into the idea that portions of a population can use slang but others are blocked off from it. If its distasteful or hateful, then maybe as a society we should all let it go, rather than allow special usage rules.

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CannibalCrowley wrote:
hubbinsd wrote:
I'm guessing you have a problem with that. Just curious why? Assuming you aren't of a minority, are you missing out on something by being unable to use slurs and have it be socially acceptable?

I find the hypocrisy appalling. The people who have such a problem with those words are saying on one hand that racism is despicable and should be eliminated; however, at the same time they claim that those words can only be used by people of that race, which is racist in itself. I find it hard to take someone seriously when he is simultaneously denouncing and advocating racism.

Words aren't uttered in a vacuum, so why should we pretend they are? White people calling black people "n*gers" carries centuries of racism and white-superiority myths with it. If a black person says it that context is removed, or maybe subverted. Is that hypocrisy or just reality?

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Irongut wrote:

But I'm curious,

hubbinsd wrote:
Assuming you aren't of a minority..."

Does that equate to, "Assuming you are white..."?

I chose to use the same term that Cannibal had used in the post I was replying to. I don't really think it equates to anything since, as you say, minority is always gonna be a relative term.

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Words aren't uttered in a vacuum, so why should we pretend they are? White people calling black people "n*gers" carries centuries of racism and white-superiority myths with it. If a black person says it that context is removed, or maybe subverted. Is that hypocrisy or just reality?

So you're saying that the hypocrisy is justifiable.

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Yeah, I'm sorry I shouldnt have read anything into your statement other than what was typed there. The whole topic of minority / majority seems so relative, it just always raises a lot of questions in my mind, and sometimes depending on who is using it in the politics, media etc etc, it just frustrates me.

Irongut does have a personal story around the word "Cracker"...
When I was a little kid, one of my favorite snacks was that caramel popcorn Cracker Jacks.
My dad used to go around calling me Cracker, it was my nickname till age 6 or 7.
Then one day, someone pointed out that Cracker had a whole other or new meaning he had never heard before.
He stopped calling me Cracker, I lost my nickname, and I'm still frustrated about it.
Havent gotten a Cracker Jacks prize ever since.

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Minorities use slurs to take the words back. The most famous example is how the gay community now uses "queer." They've disarmed it by adopting it. The N word is somewhat different in that it's still not OK for whites to use it, but some day it may get to that point (one of my black friends once told me I was his N*gga, so I guess we're getting closer, though I still never use the word).

It is hypocritical. That's not necessarily a bad enough thing to invalidate its usefulness.

I guess the difference is that when the minority in question uses the slur, you can be pretty sure it's not malicious. When someone else uses it, you can't really be sure. Eventually, through "safe" use, the word comes to take on a new context and meaning, and eventually it becomes OK for everyone to use. It just takes time.

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CannibalCrowley wrote:
Unless the person making said remarks is a "minority".

Even then, it's not common for a company to want to associate itself with that sort of thing outside of "edgy" comedy or rap music. I might not be listening to enough radio, but are there a lot of mainstream black radio hosts with programs focusing on current affairs that say that this or that athlete is a "jigaboo" or a "nigger"?

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Maybe I've lived a sheltered life but I have never heard the term "Nappy headed". Does it have some actual context or meaning?

In regards to Imus, I do believe that he should be taken to task for his comments, especially given the history of racism in this country. Having said that, I think the shame he probably feels and the level of anger directed at him has probably been punishment enough. Odds are pretty good he has learned his lesson.

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Hey, Jesse Jackson is going to protest in Chicago. Wouldn't it be better of him to go to Hymietown and protest instead?

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Copingsaw wrote:
Maybe I've lived a sheltered life but I have never heard the term "Nappy headed". Does it have some actual context or meaning?

In regards to Imus, I do believe that he should be taken to task for his comments, especially given the history of racism in this country. Having said that, I think the shame he probably feels and the level of anger directed at him has probably been punishment enough. Odds are pretty good he has learned his lesson.

Thank you! I thought it was just me, from not having lived in America.

I thought it referred to close, tight curls, but I could be wrong (M-W.com says "kinky"). I had heard the term about hair, but it was only spoken by black people now that I think on it, but it seemed like a non-pejorative descriptive word.

I'm not sure if a white guy can ever presume to address a black guy he doesn't know as "cousin".

I think being told, "You all right, man," means passing some sort of coolness (or lack of unhipness) test.

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Is "cousin" unacceptable because of the implication of distance? Like, is "brother" all right? I'd never heard that one before, but then again, people around here don't really use "cousin."

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I thought maybe cousin suggested too little distance, not as bad as "brother" but...

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The whole shebang (On Nigger, mind you) is ridiculously hypocritical and smacks of...

1.) Trying to control language, which is impossible, given that "Nigger", or, more accurately, "Nigga" is now part of the youth vernacular, and...
2.) Mostly just having a chance to go "Nyah-Nyah-Nyah-Nyah-Nyah" to white people. It's ridiculous for anyone to being to claim that they have all consuming property over a word.

Have I used it? Yes. Does it still occasionally slip out, generally in conversation with other blacks? Yes. But i'm trying to expunge it from my dialog, and I wish people would at least stop pretending that it's some sacred "SEKRIT KODE WURD".

Back to Imus however...

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"Here's what I've learned: that you can't make fun of everybody, because some people don't deserve it," he said on his show, which is nationally syndicated to millions of listeners. "And because the climate on this program has been what it's been for 30 years doesn't mean that it has to be that way for the next five years or whatever because that has to change, and I understand that."

He pointed to his involvement with the Imus Ranch, a working cattle ranch for children with cancer and blood disorders in New Mexico. Ten percent of the children who come to the ranch are black, he said.

"I'm not a white man who doesn't know any African-Americans," he said.

On the radio show, Sharpton said that Imus' good deeds do not make up for what he said about the Rutgers team, which includes eight black women.

"This is not about whether you're a good man," Sharpton said. "What you said was racist."

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"This is not about whether you're a good man," Sharpton said. "What you said was racist."

I would just like to say, that I f*cking hate Al Sharpton. For a man who touts himself as a f*cking reverend (for all the bullsh*t that is worth) to utterly MISS THE MOTHERf*ckING POINT in that sentence, because as everyone knows, you can be forgiven for everything, except racism, which is unforgivable. Just, gah. And I don't even like Imus. Do you know what this means Al? You're forcing me to defend Imus. You retarded publicity whoring prick.

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I watched the news report on this tonight and the whole thing reeks of awitch hunt. Yes what Imus said was ill chosen and he should have apologized.

I am sooo freaking sick of Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton using every opportunity to inject publicity into their waining relevance. It's amazing that Mr. "Hymietown" and Dr. Brawley are even news anymore.

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Do you know what this means Al? You're forcing me to defend Imus. You retarded publicity whoring prick.

That's always the problem when guys like Sharpton and Jesse Jackson get involved. They discredit any cause they support. But with Imus I'm wondering what kind of bubble you have to live in when you can toss out that kind of stuff and be surprised at the reaction.

It's like that scene in Clerks II when Randall tells the restaurant that he's not lazy like some kind of "porch monkey," and then insists that the term isn't a real racial epithet because his grandma used to call him that when he was sitting around doing nothing.