Probs with new PC *BEGGARS BELIEF*
Had a new PC delivered today. As always, there are some problems. I've been looking on Google, but to no avail. I'm using XP pro.
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It's got an ASUS PN5-E SLI motherboard which has a LAN port. I want to use this to get online through my router, but haven't had any joy.
I get the connected icon, but don't show any traffic. The lights on the port are Orange - it's connect to.. something.. but that something isn't the internet.
The network connections tab has two 'Network adaptor 1394' thing and the computer's got a wireless card. The 1394 won't let me get online - we don't have a wireless network yet.
I read somewhere that, on this mobo, I have to enable some Nvidia network stuff to get online. Any truth in that?
2. We asked for 4GB of RAM, but in the system profile, just beneath the processor name, it says there's 3.50GB. ANy way to check? It's a quad-core processor, if this gives any clues.
The hinternet (sic) option is the most pressing. I can take an ethernet card out of an older machine, but then we're one viable machine down.
Ta.



1. Go into your BIOS. When you boot up, you'll probably see something at the bottom of the screen saying hit Del to enter setup or something similar. Check the on-board options and see if your Nvidia NIC is listed as Disabled. Enable it, this will get Windows to recognize the hardware. The link light you're getting on the card just means there's a physical connection between the port and your router, it doesn't necessarily mean there's data moving. 1394 is firewire, this isn't a network port like you're thinking, but it will transfer data between devices.
2. Do you have on-board video or a video card? The on-board video will often share system RAM, hence why you get 3.5 GB instead of something closer to 4. If you have a PCIe or AGP video card, go into the BIOS and disable the on-board video, unless you plan on running multiple monitors on the thing.
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We've got a 7950GT w/512MB ram. It's SLI, happarently.
And I'll try that network stuff right now. TVM.
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The NVIDIA LAN option was already enabled in the BIOS. THere was an NVIDIA BOOTROM option that was disabled, but I didn't touch that.
Part of the problem is that I can't seem to choose what device I want to get online with. WHen I do the network set up wizard, it just tells me 'everything is set up' - but I still only have the firewire and wireless card as icons in 'network connections'.
I know all my IP settings off by heart - if I could just get an 'onboard lan' icon to put the settings in to.
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In the Control Panel go to System. Under the Hardware tab, Device Manager, do any of your devices have a question mark or a yellow exclamation point? You might need to get the disk that has the drivers for the motherboard components if you see either of those.
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Only a USB connector. I'm going to try to scrounge up a network card.
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Well I opened it up .. And then closed it back up again. There's a lot of stuff inside and I'm nervous about breaking something.
Back to Google I go.
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Check if the nvidia LAN adapter is listed under network cards in the device manager. Even though it's integrated into something else, it is considered an independent device.
If it's there, go into the networking properties and disable both the 1394 and wireless adapter - You'll very likely never, ever use IP-over-1394 (I have, it's quite fast), and as you said, you currently lack wireless.
Also, while you're in Networking properties, there ought to be three adapters - wireless, 1394, and "Local Area Connection". If the device manager you checked first doesn't show it, chances are there will only be the two, in which case Windows is lost and confused.
You can try the Add New Hardware wizard.. or just installing from the driver CD.
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Did the PC come with drivers and everything preinstalled? You may need to install the NForce LAN driver for use with your mobo.
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The LAN adaptor is mentioned in device manager. When the machine arrrived the two 1394s and the wireless settings were disabled. However there wasn't a local area connection option in networking settings.
I appreciate all the advice, by the way. If this mahine gets online, I look forward to killing/being killed by you online.
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Any chance your router firewall is set to filter MAC addresses and not accepting your new pc's MAC cause its not on the list?
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One thing that might be easier to check, and would give a solid answer to your hardware squishiness, is do you have a valid IP address? Easiest way I can think is right click on "My Network Places" and choose properties, then right click on the Local Area Connection and choose status. I would do this for both machines and post the result. This way we can verify your address, and make sure you got to the right place to check.
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He should still get an IP address from the DHCP server running on the router, he just wouldn't be able to go beyond his local network. 1Dgaf, try going to your router's IP address in your browser, it's usually something like 192.168.1.1
To add to this, if you've got an address starting with 169.254, your PC could not obtain an IP address and XP has automatically assigned this address to the interface. It sounds like you don't even have the connection listed in your network connections, though.
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THe router's not stopping any particular MAC.
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I don't have Local Connection even listed in My Network places. I've got two 1394 connections and a wirlesss.
I did an IPCONFIG/ALL and the Nvidia network adaptor is there - but it's got an IP I've never seen before. I can't access my router through 192.168.1.1 in the browser, either.
I'm going to try to find a way to set up a local connection. Everytime I use the connection Wizard, the f*cking thing just tells me 'It's been set up' - but no bloody icon appears.
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The NVidia network ports are notoriously terrible; the hardware is buggy and the drivers suck. You can usually get it to work quite well, but you have to turn off all the extra features. They work fine at a basic level, but most of the glitzy features are broken and never have worked right.
The normal symptom, though, is that you get a connection and things work, but then your network games are wonky and weird. No connection at all is unusual in my experience, and may point to outright hardware failure of some sort, either on the motherboard or, perhaps, the cable. Just in case, you have checked that your cable is in tight, and you've tried swapping cables? And ports on the router? You could be plugged into an uplink port by accident.
Assuming those things check out, you want to disable the advanced features anyway, so you can try that to see if it helps here. It probably won't, but if you're going to do it anyway, what the heck.
Depending on who did the installation, you may or may not have a Start menu item to configure the NVidia firewall settings. Basically, you need to do two things:
1. Disable the NVidia hardware firewall completely;
2. Disable "TCP Checksum Offload" -- and any other offload functions you can find.
If you don't have a start menu configuration option, you'll probably have them in the properties on the network card in Device Manager. There's a long list of properties, things like "duplex", "autonegotiation", packet sizes, and so forth. What you're looking for is anything that says 'offload' or 'firewall': disable those.
This probably won't directly help the connection problem, but you'll be annoyed with your computer if you don't turn those things off, as they will interfere with many games.
Probably a 169.154.x.x address?
If you do an ipconfig /renew, do you get a DHCP lease from your local router?
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I took out the wireless card - didn't uninstall, just disabled before removing - and put in an ethernet card I have. The computer recognises it, but ... That's it.
I can see the new card in the device manager. I can check its properties and see that it's working, but I still don't have a Local Connection symbol or anyway to connect to the new card.
I'm getting quite frustrated. As I was bending over the machine, back hurting, I kept thinking about those Apple ads saying 'It works right out of the box'. ARGH!
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That's really making me think you might have plugged into your uplink port on your router. Have you tried swapping ports?
I don't think it's the uplink port. I've used the same cable/port to get online with another machine.
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Now when I try to get into the network connections page, the computer just sits there with an egg-timer on the desktop. Nothing happens.
Maybe I f*cked things up by not uninstalling the wireless card before I removed it. This is.. Maddening. This machine cost us a lot of money and it's just awful that the f*cking thing won't work right away.
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I would agree with Malor I think. My Nvidia NIC is nice enough, but if I try installing the fancy crap its supposed to be capable of things go downhill pretty fast.
Issue you need to be working on first is getting that icon back. Without that I really don't think its time to wonder whats plugged into who yet.
I believe the offending fancyness is called "NVidia ForceWare" or something close. Get rid of that, reinstall the NIC drivers, and see where that leaves you.
Out of curiosity who is the manufacturer of the system?
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I've deleted the Nvidia network management stuff. Apparently that's a firewall that buggers things up. I'm going to see how I can get that icon back.
I put the wireless card in and the computer's not hanging anymore. I'm going to leave it in and see if I can get some kind of USB-ethernet dongle.
It's a system built to order by a company here in the UK. The man was very helpful and took time responding to emails and discussing spec and actually pointed out places where we can save money. I can't fault him in any way at all.
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Pol's idea of completely removing and reinstalling the Forceware drivers is a fairly good one. Install the absolute minimum possible features, as the more you add, the more trouble you'll have. And don't install NVidia's IDE drivers either; they suck almost as much as the network stuff. Regular Windows IDE drivers will work just fine and won't give you any trouble.
You could also pick up a PCI or PCIe network card for not too much. Intel cards are very solid and don't cost that much for the basic ones. (be careful: you can spend a lot of money on an Intel NIC. If you go that route, just get a cheapie $30 job.)
But, really, the NVidia port should work fine for basic stuff, it's just the advanced features that don't work.
And, as an aside, I think it's entirely appalling that I'm still giving this same advice after THREE YEARS of this crap from NVidia. What the hell is up with those morons? They used to be super competent, and all their drivers are just reeking piles of crap now. Even the video stuff, their 'core competence', is full of unfixed bugs under XP, and barely works at all in Vista. Grrrrr.
BTW, just so you don't get worried: with regular Windows IDE drivers and the minimum network stuff, the system should be extremely stable. It's annoying that you have to deal with these problems, but you can work around them, and the system should be just fine after you do.
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Really Guru? Pity the guy didn't let us know. Still, it's on there when we upgrade to Vista.
As for removing drivers, I'm wary. It's a brand new build and I don't want to mess about with driver discs and what not. And if something goes wrong, I can't get online easily to get the drivers.
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I'm posting from the new PC now. I'm using a wireless connection. I've got a wireless dongle attached to a machine downstairs, so that's acting as a signal transmitter.
I think the problem is the on-board Nvidia NIC. When it's on, I can't get into the network settings easily and sometimes the wireless card isn't recognised. I also get 30% CPU usage with something called 'svchost.exe'.
I had thought the CPU usage was a WIndows AUtomatic update problem, but even when I turned that off I still had a hit on the CPU. I had to uninstall the Nvidia NIC *and* remove the drivers for it, before the CPU level was normal. Now the card is 'gone' I can also connect to the wireless network.
It's not terribly fast, but at least I'm online with this machine. I'd like to stay wired, but this is as good as I can do for now.
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Honestly I've got 4GB in my machine right now that worked great under 64 bit Vista.. but since I gave up for the time being on Vista and went back to good old 32bit XP I've not even bothered with the /pae or /3gb switch.. it just makes XP that much more unstable and gives you no added benefit in terms of performance over 2GB.
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From what I can tell, the onboard NIC is there, but not being acknowledged as a network device in network settings, correct?
If so, then it sounds like a driver issue, and has been recommended, see if you can get basic windows drivers to work for it. Beyond that, try and get updated drivers from NVidia and see if they work. And yea, stick with the bare minimum basics.
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Id, I've got the same NIC in my shuttle. It took me a while to get the drivers installed right and it still gives me some trouble. I just got a USB nic for ~$25 and it works great.
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The fact that it shows up in IPCONFIG but not Network Connections indicates that it does recognize the NIC as a device and has loaded a driver for it. (could be the wrong driver but who knows) The goofy IP and it not showing up in Network Connections means that XP doesn't think it has a link. Have you tried the easy stuff and doublechecked the cable, plugged to a different switch port, etc etc? If you can get into the NIC properties, you might check the Link Speed and Duplex settings. If autonegotiation fails, the link won't come up. Try setting Link Speed and Duplex to 100/Full and see what happens.
Try switching to Classic View (Tools -> Folder Options) and see if Local Area Connection shows up in the Network Connections folder. I'm sure there's a way to force showing all connections, active or not, but I can't remember off the top of my head.
The story so far.
Took it into the guy that built it. About an hour to get there and we spent three hours at his office. He reinstalled XP. Then he got the same weird problem I did. We got the NIC working by uninstalling the Forceware drivers and removing the wireless card (that's going in a separate machine).
Now the computer can get on the Internet. Good. We drive home. I lug the computer to the top of the house. Will I get online at home? Yes. It works!
I decide to install Half Life 2 on the machine. I get the game and then press eject button on the DVD drive. Nothing happens. I press the button again - nothing happens. No sound, no movement. I try the second drive in the machine. Same thing. It's not working at all.
I check the device manager. Apparently I don't have any DVD drives attached to the machine. Instead I've got four removable drives -- which I'd never seen before.
So now I have a very, very powerful machine that's amazing at browsing the web, but f*ck all use for anything else.
Grrr. I've left a message on the guy's answering machine. I'm not going to tinker about witht he PC anymore.
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