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A useful reference page on Earth's temperature history, including links to papers. Apparently, the Younger Dryas change was 7 degrees in 20 years, not the other way around as I may have said in...some other discussion.
“Why are we talking about this in the White House? History will not judge this kindly.” Atty Gen'l John Ashcroft, on secret NSC torture guideline discussions.
Is anyone complaining? That's the thing about "unseasonably" warm temperatures in the middle of winter; no one seems to care, at least in terms of the big picture.
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I can't stop laughing. I don't even know what the hell this means.
I don't know why. He's totally serial.
Totally
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Is anyone complaining? That's the thing about "unseasonably" warm temperatures in the middle of winter; no one seems to care, at least in terms of the big picture.
Elysium, while I know your intent was good, and I'm happy to have a consolidated thread, I worry we've just killed a few good conversations in favor of one ridiculous one.
Kat on Cally wrote:
It's amazing she's able to dress herself in the morning; with that memory, she should be wrapped in a shawl, fourteen pairs of socks, and some tinsel.
Yeah, record highs across the state of Iowa yesterday. Actually, the winter's been fairly mild across the board, with short periods of heavier than usual precipitation, but mostly dry.
For what it's worth, the weather the last several years has progressed worldwide in pretty much the exact pattern I expected would develop. *shrugs* That could mean many things, though.
Yesterday, on my way back from lunch my car's outside thermometer read 81 degrees.
I think that we should tap into the awesome refrigerator properties of space. We're building up energy and building up energy without giving it any place to dissipate. Here's my idea: Extend a couple spaceothermal pumps into the black wastes and let nature provide us with a place to sink our excess atmospheric energy.
There, problem solved. Now... about those personal jetpacks...
Yesterday, on my way back from lunch my car's outside thermometer read 81 degrees.
I think that we should tap into the awesome refrigerator properties of space. We're building up energy and building up energy without giving it any place to dissipate. Here's my idea: Extend a couple spaceothermal pumps into the black wastes and let nature provide us with a place to sink our excess atmospheric energy.
There, problem solved. Now... about those personal jetpacks...
um vacuum is an excellent insulator, thats why Thermos(TM) uses it i their thermoses.
"Also, I have four legs and am covered in wool. Baa!" *Legion* reveals his inner furry.
um vacuum is an excellent insulator, thats why Thermos(TM) uses it i their thermoses.
Wha...? They can't use vacuum or anything else in their Thermos insulation! There's literally nothing between the flask walls!
Glad we got that settled.
“Why are we talking about this in the White House? History will not judge this kindly.” Atty Gen'l John Ashcroft, on secret NSC torture guideline discussions.
The ice kinda melted a bit in the freezer section of my refrigerator yesterday. Not exactly sure what happened. The refrigerator portion of the appliance seemed to keep all my produce and other "things" cold as normal but the freezer portion had a slight increase in temperature that caused all of the normal ice cubes to have a "rounded" look and feel to them.
I'm kinda worried.
On the other hand, my new water heater took forever to heat up the water this morning! I got one of those Rinai tankless water heaters (cuz of my past experiences) and its supposed to give instantaneous hot water but it took longer than normal =(
Freezer warming up.... Instant hot water heater cooling down. Thats... OMG.. Thats my home's ecosystem balancing itself to adjust for... for.... goddamnit what did GWB do this time!!??
MANBEARPIG... totally serial.
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um vacuum is an excellent insulator, thats why Thermos(TM) uses it i their thermoses.
Yes, but what temperature is it? Note that I said "spaceothermal" not "giant vaccuum." And don't try to muddy these waters with your 'science.' That soup is kept hot through the powers of Our Lord Jesus, NOT some wussy cleaning appliance!
I found this article pretty interesting, and rather funny.
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Building a Toyota Prius causes more environmental damage than a Hummer that is on the road for three times longer than a Prius. As already noted, the Prius is partly driven by a battery which contains nickel. The nickel is mined and smelted at a plant in Sudbury, Ontario. This plant has caused so much environmental damage to the surrounding environment that NASA has used the "˜dead zone' around the plant to test moon rovers. The area around the plant is devoid of any life for miles.
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Son, thats not a smog cloud... thats a smug cloud.
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When you pool together all the combined energy it takes to drive and build a Toyota Prius, the flagship car of energy fanatics, it takes almost 50 percent more energy than a Hummer - the Prius�s arch nemesis.
Through a study by CNW Marketing called �Dust to Dust,� the total combined energy is taken from all the electrical, fuel, transportation, materials (metal, plastic, etc) and hundreds of other factors over the expected lifetime of a vehicle. The Prius costs an average of $3.25 per mile driven over a lifetime of 100,000 miles - the expected lifespan of the Hybrid.
The Hummer, on the other hand, costs a more fiscal $1.95 per mile to put on the road over an expected lifetime of 300,000 miles. That means the Hummer will last three times longer than a Prius and use less combined energy doing it.
So, if you are really an environmentalist - ditch the Prius. Instead, buy one of the most economical cars available - a Toyota Scion xB. The Scion only costs a paltry $0.48 per mile to put on the road. If you are still obsessed over gas mileage - buy a Chevy Aveo and fix that lead foot.
One last fun fact for you: it takes five years to offset the premium price of a Prius. Meaning, you have to wait 60 months to save any money over a non-hybrid car because of lower gas expenses.
Yeah, so the expected lifetime of a first-gen vehicle of it's type, taken from conservative manufacturer's documents, is less than a car built on a 3+ decades old body type? Amazing! Oddly, many Priuses have well exceeded 100K miles. Further, the materials used in the vehicle are still being changed. In several years, this study will look very different.
So if we look at the 2006 model year comparison, even accepting all their numbers, the Prius cost per mile is down to $2.86. That's a change of -11.80%. The Hummer H3 is now $2.069, over 6% more than last year. Interesting trend.
So, the actual conclusion has less to do with energy efficiency and more to do with the maturity of the technology involved, as well as the general quality and overall expense of the materials used to make the vehicle. It's no surprise that that a vehicle with new technology will be more expensive to produce than one with older technology, and that's what this tells us. It also ignores emissions over time, which the point of hybrids.
The Sudbury Nickel mine is a red herring. Iron mines are no picnic spots either, but I don't see the author complaining about the larger quantities of steel in SUVs. Classic misleading piece of work.
“Why are we talking about this in the White House? History will not judge this kindly.” Atty Gen'l John Ashcroft, on secret NSC torture guideline discussions.
The Sudbury Nickel mine is a red herring. Iron mines are no picnic spots either, but I don't see the author complaining about the larger quantities of steel in SUVs. Classic misleading piece of work.
Wow you sound like a conservative and/or a right leaning person going through global warming data lol.
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Since we all are broad-minded about our sources, I will link to a piece criticizing the recent NYT piece by William Broad, written by *gasp* practicing climate scientists. (I know, I know...I'm now intellectually bankrupt and morally suspect for dragging in the opinion of actual researchers, complete with references, as opposed to sticking with brave skeptics and people with economics degrees.)
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This article is very disappointing, not just because it gets things so wrong, but because it misses an opportunity to address a much more substantive issue. It is inevitable that working scientists will find popular presentations of their work lacking in depth and nuance (after all, depth and nuance are what we do!). Whatever you may think about Al Gore's movie, it is indisputable that it has raised awareness of the issues and left a substantial part of the public hungry for more information. That hunger can only be fed by people who are closer to the science than Gore, and it is inevitable that the AIT will be used as a springboard or contrast for further presentations. A better article would have investigated how that is happening and how that is affecting public awareness of the science. Unfortunately, this article does nothing to improve public awareness, and that is deeply ironic.
“Why are we talking about this in the White House? History will not judge this kindly.” Atty Gen'l John Ashcroft, on secret NSC torture guideline discussions.
Since we all are broad-minded about our sources, I will link to a piece criticizing the recent NYT piece by William Broad, written by *gasp* practicing climate scientists. (I know, I know...I'm now intellectually bankrupt and morally suspect for dragging in the opinion of actual researchers, complete with references, as opposed to sticking with brave skeptics and people with economics degrees.)
Quote:
This article is very disappointing, not just because it gets things so wrong, but because it misses an opportunity to address a much more substantive issue. It is inevitable that working scientists will find popular presentations of their work lacking in depth and nuance (after all, depth and nuance are what we do!). Whatever you may think about Al Gore's movie, it is indisputable that it has raised awareness of the issues and left a substantial part of the public hungry for more information. That hunger can only be fed by people who are closer to the science than Gore, and it is inevitable that the AIT will be used as a springboard or contrast for further presentations. A better article would have investigated how that is happening and how that is affecting public awareness of the science. Unfortunately, this article does nothing to improve public awareness, and that is deeply ironic.
Just look at the source, obviously that guy is in the pay of the political hacks and will write anything to keep his funding coming. Some people have no morals or shame. I note the one guy writes the sort of models that are used to predict the whole GW scare, and that the other guy actually is an uathor for the IPCC, yup certainly no bias there, not that their opposition could impact in the slightest their future earning potential.
"Also, I have four legs and am covered in wool. Baa!" *Legion* reveals his inner furry.
So, you can see, for the skeptics the very fact of studying climate science is an indicator of bias. This is an important skeptic's line, because, after all, the scientists must have the same motives as those non-scientists who question their work.
The fact that these guys go through peer review and expose their data and techniques to the public speaks volumes about the difference between their approach and the cynicism Nos so capably displays above.
“Why are we talking about this in the White House? History will not judge this kindly.” Atty Gen'l John Ashcroft, on secret NSC torture guideline discussions.
So, you can see, for the skeptics the very fact of studying climate science is an indicator of bias. This is an important skeptic's line, because, after all, the scientists must have the same motives as those non-scientists who question their work.
The fact that these guys go through peer review and expose their data and techniques to the public speaks volumes about the difference between their approach and the cynicism Nos so capably displays above.
I was hoping you'd say that, you do realise that I essentially lifted a GW attack on anyone on the non-GW side of the fence attack right? Dr. Lindzen is routinely bashed, as is Dr. Landse (not sure if I spelled his name right) and any other scientist who dares question the power of the mighty human race to impact the environment.
DS: well that or you just make sh*t up about how you made an organic transister,found a cure for cancer, or cloned human stem cells. and those are all in field that there are more researchers than you can shake a stick at, unlike the relatively rarified field of climatology (which has grown by an insane rate lately, I guess people do go where the money goes (federal money went from ~140 Milliion a year to 5 Billion a year))
"Also, I have four legs and am covered in wool. Baa!" *Legion* reveals his inner furry.
DS: well that or you just make sh*t up about how you made an organic transister,found a cure for cancer, or cloned human stem cells.
And in all three cases, each fraud was caught and marginalized as a scientist. Some had their degrees revokes, and all certainly will not be taken seriously again. This is how the system is supposed to work - it's a long term process. In fact, it was when people tried to recreate the work in each scenario that the results were shown to be fraudulent. Read the bottom part of each of your own links.
It took two years to catch Schon, one year to catch Sudbo, and 1.5 years to catch Woo-Suk. What do you think that says about the emphasis on the repeatable nature of scientific research, and on climate science which has been building for twenty or more years? Do you understand why I bolded the part above?
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It's amazing she's able to dress herself in the morning; with that memory, she should be wrapped in a shawl, fourteen pairs of socks, and some tinsel.
Is it getting warm in here?
Politely rude. Briskly vague. Firmly uninformative.
MANBEARPIG!
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Record high today in Minneapolis!
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A useful reference page on Earth's temperature history, including links to papers. Apparently, the Younger Dryas change was 7 degrees in 20 years, not the other way around as I may have said in...some other discussion.
“Why are we talking about this in the White House? History will not judge this kindly.” Atty Gen'l John Ashcroft, on secret NSC torture guideline discussions.
Like I didn't notice!
- Elysium
I can't stop laughing. I don't even know what the hell this means.
Elysium wrote:
Danjo wrote:
Is anyone complaining? That's the thing about "unseasonably" warm temperatures in the middle of winter; no one seems to care, at least in terms of the big picture.
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'I'd hit it!'" - HP Lovesauce
I don't know why. He's totally serial.
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I submit that Elysium causes Global Warming, notice he is near Minneapolis, and viola record high!
"Also, I have four legs and am covered in wool. Baa!" *Legion* reveals his inner furry.
At 64 degrees? They might have held a parade!
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Here's a link to the IPCC summary everyone is talking about: http://www.ipcc.ch/pub/spm22-01.pdf
Elysium, while I know your intent was good, and I'm happy to have a consolidated thread, I worry we've just killed a few good conversations in favor of one ridiculous one.
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Yeah, record highs across the state of Iowa yesterday. Actually, the winter's been fairly mild across the board, with short periods of heavier than usual precipitation, but mostly dry.
For what it's worth, the weather the last several years has progressed worldwide in pretty much the exact pattern I expected would develop. *shrugs* That could mean many things, though.
Yesterday, on my way back from lunch my car's outside thermometer read 81 degrees.
I think that we should tap into the awesome refrigerator properties of space. We're building up energy and building up energy without giving it any place to dissipate. Here's my idea: Extend a couple spaceothermal pumps into the black wastes and let nature provide us with a place to sink our excess atmospheric energy.
There, problem solved. Now... about those personal jetpacks...
Politely rude. Briskly vague. Firmly uninformative.
um vacuum is an excellent insulator, thats why Thermos(TM) uses it i their thermoses.
"Also, I have four legs and am covered in wool. Baa!" *Legion* reveals his inner furry.
Wha...? They can't use vacuum or anything else in their Thermos insulation! There's literally nothing between the flask walls!
Glad we got that settled.
“Why are we talking about this in the White House? History will not judge this kindly.” Atty Gen'l John Ashcroft, on secret NSC torture guideline discussions.
The ice kinda melted a bit in the freezer section of my refrigerator yesterday. Not exactly sure what happened. The refrigerator portion of the appliance seemed to keep all my produce and other "things" cold as normal but the freezer portion had a slight increase in temperature that caused all of the normal ice cubes to have a "rounded" look and feel to them.
I'm kinda worried.
On the other hand, my new water heater took forever to heat up the water this morning! I got one of those Rinai tankless water heaters (cuz of my past experiences) and its supposed to give instantaneous hot water but it took longer than normal =(
Freezer warming up.... Instant hot water heater cooling down. Thats... OMG.. Thats my home's ecosystem balancing itself to adjust for... for.... goddamnit what did GWB do this time!!??
MANBEARPIG... totally serial.
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Yes, but what temperature is it? Note that I said "spaceothermal" not "giant vaccuum."
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I found this article pretty interesting, and rather funny.
I generated a virtual world in the toilet bowl this morning.
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On the topic of Global warming, Paris Hilton had the following comment to say on behalf of Hollywood socialites, "That's hot"
ok, i made that up.
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Yeah, so the expected lifetime of a first-gen vehicle of it's type, taken from conservative manufacturer's documents, is less than a car built on a 3+ decades old body type? Amazing! Oddly, many Priuses have well exceeded 100K miles. Further, the materials used in the vehicle are still being changed. In several years, this study will look very different.
So if we look at the 2006 model year comparison, even accepting all their numbers, the Prius cost per mile is down to $2.86. That's a change of -11.80%. The Hummer H3 is now $2.069, over 6% more than last year. Interesting trend.
So, the actual conclusion has less to do with energy efficiency and more to do with the maturity of the technology involved, as well as the general quality and overall expense of the materials used to make the vehicle. It's no surprise that that a vehicle with new technology will be more expensive to produce than one with older technology, and that's what this tells us. It also ignores emissions over time, which the point of hybrids.
The Sudbury Nickel mine is a red herring. Iron mines are no picnic spots either, but I don't see the author complaining about the larger quantities of steel in SUVs. Classic misleading piece of work.
“Why are we talking about this in the White House? History will not judge this kindly.” Atty Gen'l John Ashcroft, on secret NSC torture guideline discussions.
Wow you sound like a conservative and/or a right leaning person going through global warming data lol.
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Since we all are broad-minded about our sources, I will link to a piece criticizing the recent NYT piece by William Broad, written by *gasp* practicing climate scientists. (I know, I know...I'm now intellectually bankrupt and morally suspect for dragging in the opinion of actual researchers, complete with references, as opposed to sticking with brave skeptics and people with economics degrees.)
“Why are we talking about this in the White House? History will not judge this kindly.” Atty Gen'l John Ashcroft, on secret NSC torture guideline discussions.
Just look at the source, obviously that guy is in the pay of the political hacks and will write anything to keep his funding coming. Some people have no morals or shame. I note the one guy writes the sort of models that are used to predict the whole GW scare, and that the other guy actually is an uathor for the IPCC, yup certainly no bias there, not that their opposition could impact in the slightest their future earning potential.
"Also, I have four legs and am covered in wool. Baa!" *Legion* reveals his inner furry.
So, you can see, for the skeptics the very fact of studying climate science is an indicator of bias. This is an important skeptic's line, because, after all, the scientists must have the same motives as those non-scientists who question their work.
The fact that these guys go through peer review and expose their data and techniques to the public speaks volumes about the difference between their approach and the cynicism Nos so capably displays above.
“Why are we talking about this in the White House? History will not judge this kindly.” Atty Gen'l John Ashcroft, on secret NSC torture guideline discussions.
You'd be surprised - the best way for a scientist to continue to get funded is to do good work and make it public.
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I was hoping you'd say that, you do realise that I essentially lifted a GW attack on anyone on the non-GW side of the fence attack right? Dr. Lindzen is routinely bashed, as is Dr. Landse (not sure if I spelled his name right) and any other scientist who dares question the power of the mighty human race to impact the environment.
DS: well that or you just make sh*t up about how you made an organic transister,found a cure for cancer, or cloned human stem cells. and those are all in field that there are more researchers than you can shake a stick at, unlike the relatively rarified field of climatology (which has grown by an insane rate lately, I guess people do go where the money goes (federal money went from ~140 Milliion a year to 5 Billion a year))
"Also, I have four legs and am covered in wool. Baa!" *Legion* reveals his inner furry.
And in all three cases, each fraud was caught and marginalized as a scientist. Some had their degrees revokes, and all certainly will not be taken seriously again. This is how the system is supposed to work - it's a long term process. In fact, it was when people tried to recreate the work in each scenario that the results were shown to be fraudulent. Read the bottom part of each of your own links.
It took two years to catch Schon, one year to catch Sudbo, and 1.5 years to catch Woo-Suk. What do you think that says about the emphasis on the repeatable nature of scientific research, and on climate science which has been building for twenty or more years? Do you understand why I bolded the part above?
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