Heroes 03-05-07

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First the bad, no new episodes until the end of April! Argh.

Another great episode, most of the heroes are reaching a nadir, though I can see the final chapter leading to the creation of a hero team of some sort.

I think it is safe to assume that Nathan and Peter's mom is gifted, and I wonder if Linderman is their real father.

Lost should be taking notes, this is how you do a mid season cliffhanger.

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Badferret wrote:
Lost should be taking notes, this is how you do a second! mid season cliffhanger.

Fixed it for you. Good episode. When Mohinder drugged Sylar I yelled out "He's not retarded after all!". Too bad Sylar is a little to strong, but at least so far, Mohinder is still alive. Do you think Nathan really sold out this time? He's a tough character to read; like Hiro said, he acts like he doesn't care about anyone. He does it too well. Looks like Mr. Bennett is as much of a goner as it looked like he would be, which sucks.

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Yeah, I'm surprised by the total 180 on Bennett's character already, incredibly happy that Mohinder isn't an idiot and they aren't dragging out that storyline, and gratified that simone is really dead.

Of the many questions on my mind, what happened to the real Mrs. Bennett?

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God I hope they didnt kill bennett's wife. She was annoying but finally got a decent story arc and then to off her?

I hope the creators realize that she is a part of bennett's character. She encompasses his innocence and his weakness.

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fangblackbone wrote:
I hope the creators realize that she is a part of bennett's character. She encompasses his innocence and his weakness.

He still has Mr. Muggles.

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fangblackbone wrote:
God I hope they didnt kill bennett's wife.
Given what we have seen of that organization, it would fit that the only reason they would have to leave her alive would be to use as leverage against Bennett. Since he really doesn't know what they want, it is probably just easier to bury three bodies in the desert than try to get Bennett, his wife and son all play ball.

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Who else noticed the product placement promotion of the PS3 in this episode?

Wasn't NBC supposed to be in Microsoft's pocket (MS-NBC)?

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I'm very surpized they decided to close that part of the story arc so quickly. Its not like HRG didn't know about his partners powers, I would have thought he would have been more circumspect about the whole thinig until he knew that it was really his wife.

So who else thinks that one of sylar's "powers" is the ability to control his blood composition (ie, clear any drug/poison in his bloody)? I also wonder which power Peter uses to stop sylar's initial attack.

I'm annoyed that they are taking it off the air for the next 6 weeks but it still looks like we'll end up with the normal 24-26 episodes for the year since we are already at 18.

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I guess we know where Peter gets his scar from now.

Here's an interesting question. Will Peter's ability allow him to use the powers Sylar has absorbed/stolen/whatever, or can he only use Sylar's inherit ability to absorb/steal other's powers?

Also, it was cool to see New York getting rebuilt already when Hiro and Ando arrived in the future. Signs that the world doesn't end with New York getting nuked.

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It was already confirmed by Tim Kring that the show would run 23 episodes. Here. I'm so glad Hiro and Ando are back together again. I'm glad Hiro finally got his crutch... I mean sword.

I can't wait for the scene between Sylar and Peter to play out further and for Sylar to find out what he is truly dealing with. We also got confirmation that Sylar eats the brains when he said something like "... so I can sink my teeth in..."

I really hope the Bennett isn't dead, I really like his character. Overall a very good episode... oh and Isaac shoots smack and sees his own death.

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Bru wrote:
I guess we know where Peter gets his scar from now.

Here's an interesting question. Will Peter's ability allow him to use the powers Sylar has absorbed/stolen/whatever, or can he only use Sylar's inherit ability to absorb/steal other's powers?

Also, it was cool to see New York getting rebuilt already when Hiro and Ando arrived in the future. Signs that the world doesn't end with New York getting nuked.

Peter got his telekinesis from Sylar, which is not his inherent ability. His actual ability is to be able to see how things work or identify what is broken in them. The eating the brains thing... I don't know.

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I'm a little surprised at this. If this means that Hiro kicks the bucket at episode 23, I'm gonna throw a fit. I can live without Nicki though...

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Okay, with the constant references to how tight Linderman's security is, Ando showing up inside Linderman's lair in the right place at the right time in a security guard's uniform has to confirm that he's a plant (An opinion I've held for a while, now), or that's just pretty sloppy storytelling.

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Okay, with the constant references to how tight Linderman's security is, Ando showing up inside Linderman's lair in the right place at the right time in a security guard's uniform has to confirm that he's a plant (An opinion I've held for a while, now), or that's just pretty sloppy storytelling.

At first I actually thought Future Hiro put him up to it. Not quite sure what to think right now, but that's a big plot hole to leave open.

NYC was getting rebuilt in the vision, which is pretty cool, and it makes me think back to the lack of 'normal' people in Peter's visions and Isaac's paintings. I'm guessing they find a way to save everybody, and even though NYC gets destroyed, it's residents get saved.

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SirRockford wrote:
Bru wrote:

Here's an interesting question. Will Peter's ability allow him to use the powers Sylar has absorbed/stolen/whatever, or can he only use Sylar's inherit ability to absorb/steal other's powers?

Peter got his telekinesis from Sylar, which is not his inherent ability. His actual ability is to be able to see how things work or identify what is broken in them. The eating the brains thing... I don't know.

So far the rules of the show has been one power per person, with certain powers being able to manifest in different ways. Sylar obviously has the same, or similiar, power-absorption ability that Peter has, his skill at identifying powers is most likely just an aspect of this primary power, tempered by his learned "non-mutant" skill at fixing timepieces, which requires massive amounts of patience and concentration... giving him an edge on mastering his absorption abilities that Peter didn't have.

The whole brain-eating thing is probably just a psychic crutch, something he believes he needs to do to gain someone's power, whereas Peter just needs to be in proximity. This gives Peter the edge he needs, otherwise they would be evenly matched, and Sylar is probably more likely to kill first, ask questions later, whereas Peter probably isn't ready to kill someone in cold blood.

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I also wonder which power Peter uses to stop sylar's initial attack.

If you listen closely during the end-of-show preview of the next episode you can hear Sylar say "this is usually the point where people start screaming" (or something similiar to that). Considering that Sylar is cutting through Peter's skull I'm going to take a wild guess and assume that Peter will regenerate. Of course, Peter's favourite ability lately seems to be invisibility, so he might just go invisible, kick the crap out of Sylar, grab Mohinder and run, skull flapping in the breeze.

Also, does anyone else think that Peter will absorb Mohinder's power of Voice-Over Super-Existentialism?

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So does Peter only absorb the current power Sylar is using, or suck them all up?

So I'm still thinking Nathan, and Peter's father is going to show up in the story. Especially after seeing how involved their mother is. The suicide was a cover I bet.

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So far Peter's been able to absorb people's power whether they use them around him or not, so I tend to think that Petey probably has access to ALL of Sylar's accumulated powers, he just may not know how to use them, yet. The telekinesis didn't come out until Dr. Who was about to brain him so it's evident that Peter isn't aware of exactly what powers he may or may not have accumulated.

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Imagine that you're Peter, you can summon any of your powers at any moment (as clearly shown earlier with the painter), and some guy comes up to you revealing that he's Sylar. Would you just stand there and let him get closer to you, or would you actually utilize them ?

Ok, let's assume that Peter is severely retarded (and clearly unworthy of the powers that he has). But then, as Sylar is burrowing into his skull, wouldn't it be VERY CLEAR what his intentions are, even to a retard ? Moreso, wouldn't Peter's instinctinve andrenaline response activate his powers and immediately launch Sylar out the window, instead of just hanging out and screaming ? Perhaps break a hole in the floor under him, letting him fall out of Sylar's grasp ? Anything ?

Oh wait. His powers stopped working. Just like Hiro's did at the most convenient moment. A wizard did it.

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This is how these events _should have been_ written:

Sylar surprises Peter with a flying microwave, knocking him out. Peter wakes up with an IV in his arm. Commence skull burrowing and yelling. Fade to black. A little "Dextery" but it would make sense,, at least.

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Peter only recently discovered that he can use other's power at any time and so hasn't had a whole lot of time to master any of them, and conversely isn't all that confident in their use. Also, getting your head cut open might be a bit traumatic, especially to someone as emotionally messed up as Peter is. I don't really expect a knock-down drag-out fight between Peter and Sylar yet (I'm sure they'll save that for the season finale), because although Claire's regenerative power gives Peter the edge power-wise, Sylar has more of an edge in that he's a crazed psychotic who views everyone else as broken and dispensible toys to be used at his whim, and is willing to do anything to anyone to get what he wants.

I fully expect Peter to just grab Mohinder (because he's too important to die just yet) and run like hell.

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Oh wait. His powers stopped working. Just like Hiro's did at the most convenient moment. A wizard did it.

I interpreted Hiro's impotence as being entirely self-induced, after he discovered that he couldn't save his girlfriend. He wanted to, but subconsciously knew that nothing he could do would help, since her inoperable tumour had doomed her long before he came into the picture. He hadn't actually lost his powers, witnessed by his slowing down time during the museum heist and reversing it during the shootout at the bus station. The quest for the sword was merely symbolic of his desire to restore the masculinity lost in his failure to save his girlfriend. A placebo.

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ruhk wrote:
Peter only recently discovered that he can use other's power at any time and so hasn't had a whole lot of time to master any of them, and conversely isn't all that confident in their use. Also, getting your head cut open might be a bit traumatic, especially to someone as emotionally messed up as Peter is.

Being chased and assaulted by Bennett's agents was traumatic, which activated his telekinesis (stopping the zapper mid-flight) and flying powers. Falling down from a building was traumatic, activating his regenerative powers. Being shot at was traumatic, activating invisibility.

Having his skull cut was traumatic and it activated his... yelling powers, for the sake of stringing together an artificial cliffhanger.

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shihonage wrote:

Being chased and assaulted by Bennett's agents was traumatic, which activated his telekinesis (stopping the zapper mid-flight) and flying powers. Falling down from a building was traumatic, activating his regenerative powers. Being shot at was traumatic, activating invisibility.

Of those, only the regenerative powers activated under stress. He discovered telekinesis while being trained by Dr. Who, prior to Bennett's raid. Flight and invisibility he was using willingly. After he was thrown off the building and regenerated he discovered that he could use someone's power by thinking about that person. His brother can fly, Dr. Who is invisible, ergo, once he made that cognitive leap he could use those powers anytime.

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Peter's still slow at his reactions. Invisible guy had to be zapped first before he could react. He was beaten to hell and back by Invisible guy before he could react. He was thrown off an f'ing building before he could react (he could have flown)

Sylar caught him by suprise. He'll get his nasty cut but he'll react next mini-season

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Peter got his telekinesis from Sylar, which is not his inherent ability

Ah yes, I forgot about his fight with Invisible Dr. Who. So clearly he has those abilities, even if he isn't sure how to summon them.

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I'm curious about something, Shiho. If you hate this show and it's writing so much, which I'm basing on your negative posts in every single Heroes thread, why do you continue to watch it?

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My take on Peter's powers continues to be based on InvisoWho calling him an empath. Fear has been his tap for Clair's powers twice before. It's possible that Peter's link to the powers is whatever the owner of the powers was feeling at the time he encountered them. He only flew when he was desperate, which fits with the circumstances he first encountered Nathan's power. And he has already manifested several of Sylar's powers (including the "shout" that threw him against the wall and telekinesis) when he was fighting with Issac, which presumably would indicate anger as Syler's main motivator. If pain is what sets off Nuke-guy, then it's quite possible that Syler is about to get more than he bargained for... Naturally, the theory doesn't cover everything (Issac's future sight for one), but it does appear that Peter can train himself in some powers.

As for plot holes, I find that repeating "it's a comic book show" over and over makes them go away. I'd wish that would work with Battlestar Galactica, but that's a different thread.

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I'm curious about something, Shiho. If you hate this show and it's writing so much, which I'm basing on your negative posts in every single Heroes thread, why do you continue to watch it?

Because I don't live in a binary love-hate world. I don't love the show enough to sing praise or defend the gaping plot holes of every episode, but I don't dislike it enough to stop watching it. It's got a purdy mouth

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Do the plot holes really need defending? I'm pretty content just watching the show and enjoying it.

Peter gets his head cut open, eh, so he's still rusty with his powers.

Radiation Man goes crazy and starts puking radiation in the HRG house, guess they've got lead in the cabinets.

Sure, there are some holes in the show, but they're not terrible and don't distract from the quality of the series unless you let it.

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shihonage wrote:
Lots of stuff about why Peter just took the cutting.

I thought Sylar slammed Peter with his telekinesis pinning him against the wall. With Peter's initial shock I don't see how the scene is illogical to the show, presumably Peter's powers will kick in and he will use his own telekinesis to free himself or attack Sylar, but for the initial surprise attack it made sense to me.

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Lots of stuff about why Peter just took the cutting.

I thought Sylar slammed Peter with his telekinesis pinning him against the wall. With Peter's initial shock I don't see how the scene is illogical to the show, presumably Peter's powers will kick in and he will use his own telekinesis to free himself or attack Sylar, but for the initial surprise attack it made sense to me.

Yeah that and I never saw Peter as a fast thinker, he really didn't have a ton of time to react. He was probably still in the "what can I do to stop this" phase of thinking. Not only that I wouldn't be too surpized if when it all starts back up they've changed the situation a bit. I think they've done that before.

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I didn't think Peter's reaction (or lack of) was illogical at all. He's, after all, not used to seeing people impaled and pinned to the ceiling with common household objects. And I think anybody can be forgiven a couple of seconds of "freeze" when suddenly surprised, especially just having seen the aforementioned impaling.

Just because he can go invisible, he didn't suddenly become a commando.

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shihonage wrote:
Because I don't live in a binary love-hate world. I don't love the show enough to sing praise or defend the gaping plot holes of every episode, but I don't dislike it enough to stop watching it. It's got a purdy mouth

I guess that's what I don't understand. You seem really frustrated and vocal about all of the "gaping plot holes", but you keep watching. Either you're some kind of masochist, or there are more things you like than dislike to keep you interested.

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