General Odom's excellent analysis

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Yep ... nicely written and straight to the point.

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Realigning our diplomacy and military capabilities to achieve order will hugely reduce the numbers of our enemies and gain us new and important allies. This cannot happen, however, until our forces are moving out of Iraq. Why should Iran negotiate to relieve our pain as long as we are increasing its influence in Iraq and beyond? Withdrawal will awaken most leaders in the region to their own need for U.S.-led diplomacy to stabilize their neighborhood.

Someone want to explain that one to me? Doesn't seem right to me, but maybe I'm just reading it wrong. As we begin to leave local leaders are supposed to do a 180 and beg for us to stay? That doesn't seem plausible, and even if it was are we supposed to oblige them or continue pulling out?

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Realigning our diplomacy and military capabilities to achieve order will hugely reduce the numbers of our enemies and gain us new and important allies. This cannot happen, however, until our forces are moving out of Iraq. Why should Iran negotiate to relieve our pain as long as we are increasing its influence in Iraq and beyond? Withdrawal will awaken most leaders in the region to their own need for U.S.-led diplomacy to stabilize their neighborhood.

Someone want to explain that one to me? Doesn't seem right to me, but maybe I'm just reading it wrong. As we begin to leave local leaders are supposed to do a 180 and beg for us to stay? That doesn't seem plausible, and even if it was are we supposed to oblige them or continue pulling out?

Not precisely. Our presence remains the primary stumbling block to our finding alignments of interests with countries in the region. As long as American troops are in Iraq, every nation in the region is unified in the interests of continuing a conflict in which we are at the center. They may not agree on much, but they do agree that the least tenable outcome of an Iraqi meltdown is an American crusader state. The removal of the precondition appears to be the cost of admission for having any sort of constructive conversation with possible (and present) allies.

Truth be told, the untold part of this letter is that the expansion of Iranian influence into Iraqi politics is both present and inevitable given our inability to affect a positive solution. 125k troops won't do it. Half a million won't. The long and short of it is that we have expanded Iranian power and influence through the removal of their most significant strategic counterweight. The only questions that yet remains are when we choose to acknowledge this reality and what we choose to do with this knowledge.

Iran, in many ways, presents a far more promising natural ally to American interests than our current backstabbing "allies" in the region today. The Saudis are the ones supplying the Sunnis with the guns, bombs, and advanced weapons that are primarily responsible for the casualties we face. No one disputes it is primarily Sunni violence that is causing us the most trouble. The Sunnis are no friends of the Iranians, who are largely backing the Shiites in the Iraqi Civil War. The Shiite dominated areas like Basra (with all of their Iranian influence) have largely been widely publicized success stories of stability and rebuilding.

Whatever our course of action, we will eventually have to come to grips with the fact that the actions of George W Bush and the neocons have brought us to a new Middle East reality. You can't put the water back in the broken cup. The only thing that stemmed off the demographic reality of a Shiite dominated Iraq was the repressive regime of Saddam Hussein (backed in large part by Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Jordan, and the United States). Now that our policies have made it impossible to reform that past reality, we have to acknowledge the consequences and deal with the Iranians.

The current thinking in the administration appears to be that confronting Iran will somehow cow the 70% of the Iraqi population that is Shiite into accomodating the demands of the Sunnis and accept a power sharing agreement that satisfies them and makes them all want to sing Kumbaya together. This is a fantasy that I don't think they even buy, but it is all they have left considering how badly they have screwed things up. The predictable outcome of this is that it will embolden the Sunnis to commit more and more audacious acts of violence both against us and the Shiites they wish to intimidate. And in a tragically ironic case of the tail wagging the dog, the Saudis have publically threatened us with outright support for Al Qaeda should we choose to allow the Shiites to execute what they believe is their popular mandate.

As tragic as things are now, the situation will not get any better as a result of our continued presence. Nor will it get significantly worse than is inevitably the case anyway should we leave. Leaving earlier, however, does give us many more options than waiting and seeing.

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Okay, so he's talking about the leaders of neighboring middle eastern countries, not the lower level leaders within Iraq? I still don't see why nations around Iraq would specifically want U.S.-led diplomacy. Why would they even want us involved at all, much less leading?

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I'm not sure that they would. I'm just saying that our options in terms of parties we can talk to and with which we can find commonality expands once we remove ourselves from the situation and allow it to settle at a point of political equilibrium. That point is pretty predictable (ie: the Shiites taking control and the Sunnis either fleeing or accepting Shiite rule). How we leave and who we blow up on the way out will, in a big way, determine what relationships we can salvage in the aftermath.

Bush, unfortunately, appears to be setting the stage for an Iranian confrontation. This is much like flushing cement down the toilets on his way out of the White House.

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Odom's point I think refers to the fact that the US has consistently been willing to serve as a negotiator in the area's disputes. This would seem to be something that countries like Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Lebanon, Kuwait and the other Gulf States could come to miss in the near future. The idea would be to engage again in the role we used in the past, where military action was the aberration and diplomatic and economic actions are more important.

Given that as a background, if the US engages with Syria and Iran, the other countries will find themselves at the table simply to balance that perspective. And right on cue, the Iranians have offered us a chance to resolve their nuclear issues over the next three weeks. If we want to solve Iraq, we need to figure out how the Shi'ite reign will look, and how that will play with Iran and Syria (which of course have different perspectives on the region.)

But if we are the perceived target simply by our military presence, we handicap ourselves.

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Very nice summary.....

However a couple of important thing are missing in this overview.

Democracy.

I do not think the muslim world is ready for it, and it might not be for a couple of hundred years actually. Look at the moderate and successfull muslim countries like Malaysia and Indonesia. These contries have become alot more radical after introducing democratic reforms. Both countries used to be ruled by strong men that managed to keep the religion at bay. You need to put up a "strong leader (read dictator) in Iraq as well, and give him the tools to quell the revolt/civil war. However i am not sure this will be enough at the present state to be honest.

Palistina.

Even if you withdraw from Iraq, this is a stumbling block that needs be solved. No political and peacefull solution in that area can be reached without solving this problem as well. Unfortunantly this situation wont be solved unless you give both side a "square" deal. Your aid to the Israelies and threathing to cut it, is the only thing that can make them come to the table again. The palistinians are a mess at the moment(civil war) but negotionating with Abbas might strenghten his position with the Palistinian people, and also might make him the strong man/dictator.

In my view a good "square" deal would be:
Israel gives back all its occopied territories, West Bank and Gaza, but keeps the security fence. The west goes in with massive civilian help immidiatly afterwards.
This is the only realistic option really, since this is also a war on water rights. Israel is currently controlling 90-95 % of the water resources on the West Bank, and the palistinians can't accept anything less than 100 % in their territories, they need it to be able to live of the land.(I think i have read that in Newsweek, please correct me if i am wrong.)

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Personally, I couldn't much care about Palestine or Israel. I would be very happy with our divorcing ourselves of the entire dynamic by cutting off funding of Israel and the renouncing of any security assurances. Then, if they want to act against the Palestinians, it's on their own nickle.

That whole region is filled with literally hundreds of extinct cultures. No one will miss a couple more should they decide to act like idiots.

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However a couple of important thing are missing in this overview.

Democracy.

That's kinda covered in the sixth paragraph. He doesn't specifically say that the Middle East isn't ready for democracy, just that historically that's not the case.

As for being able to support a democracy, I'll give another culture that I don't fully understand the benefit of the doubt. What I find more perplexing is the idea of actively exporting democracy. How can the concept of "by the people, for the people" be imposed upon the people?

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The form of government is not very important. An enlightened despotism can be a perfectly good form of government. What really MATTERS are freedom, human rights, honesty in government, good property protections, and strongly enforced contracts. If you have those things, your society will generally be prosperous, given enough raw materials to work with. There are many failed democracies in the world; majority rule doesn't mean anything if the integrity and protection of rights aren't there. Democracies can be completely horrible.

Note also that success is possible WITHOUT these things, but in general they're good for economic growth and general prosperity.

Note also that the United States is not a democracy. We get hung up on that word when we just shouldn't... it's the window dressing on top of what really matters, rights and rule of law.

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One thing really enjoyed is that Gen. Odom actually gave quality suggestions and didn't just do the typical whining and talking in circles that is so common when reading a column about the how wrongly the war is being fought...It was nice to see a calculated hypothesis based on factual and historical logic surrounding what will happen to not only to the U.S., but the region once we pull out of Iraq"…This article was refreshing to read, and I have to say that even though I only read it once, I agree with a lot, if not all of it"…

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The long and short of it is that we have expanded Iranian power and influence through the removal of their most significant strategic counterweight. The only questions that yet remains are when we choose to acknowledge this reality and what we choose to do with this knowledge.

Whatever our course of action, we will eventually have to come to grips with the fact that the actions of George W Bush and the neocons have brought us to a new Middle East reality. You can't put the water back in the broken cup.

Very well said...Unfortunately for us Churchill broke the cup in the 20's and instead of warning Bush, Tony Blair just sent over two of his finest soldiers (with the funny big hats) to aide our cause...They must not teach world history at Yale; on the other hand, maybe our president was too busy riding the "Preuvian rails" to care...How anyone missed the region's past history and how that plays into and effects current issues today is beyond me"…

Hey maybe once this Iraq thing is all over, Bush could do one of those NBC "The More You Know" commercials"…

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