What kind of game consumer are you?

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So I was playing Gears last night with many of the usual suspects and I was listening to a conversation about Crackdown. Just about everyone is planning to get it at launch so a lot of the conversation revolved around who was pre-odering it and who was just rushing out to get it on day one. That got me thinking about a lot of the trends and traits I've adhered to over the years when purchasing games and deciding what ones to spend my hard-earned slave dollars on. I'm curious if more people than just myself are this kind of game consumer and if not, what goes through your head when you decide to buy or not buy a particular title.

Pre-Orders - I used to pre-order everything that I was looking forward to but after getting burned by lousy titles a few times (Enter the Matrix, Heroes of Might & Magic 4 etc.), I decided to stop. Anything that's hotly anticipated always has a ton of copies made and is in wide supply on launch day anyway so why bother? The Future Shop I live behind is never out of anything on launch day (including collector's editions.) I figure the only people who benefit are the publishers (sales data) and the retailers and well, forget them.

Collector's Editions - These used to be really cool but in recent years, they've become really weak for the most part. Blizzard still does this right as they include a ton of extra stuff that justifies the extra price. I also bought the Gears of War collector's edition as well since it did come with an art book and a DVD with lots of actually interesting content on it. But largely, I've found all you really get is a fancy package and a "Making Of" DVD that's really just a ten minute advertisement that provides no real insight into how the game was actually made. Not worth a minimum extra $10 in my opinion.

Innovative/Indie Titles - Whether in video games or other fields, I always like to support small companies that are making products I enjoy. I actively seek out information on new titles that aren't by companies large enough to have a huge PR firm drive the hype for them. Examples of this are the Introversion games, ParaWorld (RIP SEK Games), Psychonauts, Shadowgrounds & Space Rangers. I always feel good supporting the underdog and helping new startups get a step closer to success.

Not Buying the Hype - I don't usually read previews (there's been discussions as to why) and while I'll watch the trailers and the screenshots, I don't make my purchasing decisions based on them. Usually it takes at least a demo to sway me but most of the time I'll wait until a title has a bunch of reviews and community opinion before deciding to buy. I also tend to watch titles from the larger publishers with more scrutiny as we all know how many major titles have shipped in a pre-release state lately.

In-Game Advertising - Opinion is mixed on whether or not this is a big deal but I'm of the mind that if the publisher is making money off of putting ads in my games, the games should be cheaper. Particularly if they aren't context-sensitive (i.e. Battlefield 2142.) Some of the games I have and do play I didn't know had ads before purchasing them (R6 Vegas) and I will now be looking at future titles in those series with suspicion. This is a trend that's only going to get worse and I know that some day I'll just have to accept it or I won't have many games to play. But not yet.

Digital Distribution - I'm still old fashioned I know but I have issues with this whole "virtual ownership" thing. I don't think the thought of paying the same price for a purely digital product as I'd pay for the version that has tangible stuff with it. I also don't like buying something that can become unplayable if the provider goes under (see Triton.) I do buy products that are only available through this method or that are no longer easy to get in a boxed form (i.e. Psychonauts) but I'm still avoiding digital distribution for the most part. Eventually I won't have a choice here I know.

What do you guys consider when you're deciding to buy or not buy a game? I'm wonder if everyone overthinks as much as I do or if I'm actually somewhat normal. I think I know the answer but hey, you never know.

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I very rarely pre-order anything, though I did just recently pre-order Phantom Hourglass. I usually prefer to wait for most games until they drop to a sub-$30 (or, preferably, sub-$20) price, but there are those rare titles that I will buy soon after launch, such as Mario Party 7 (because I knew perfectly well it'll be the same price 3 years from now as it was on release) and Ratchet: Deadlocked (because I'm a major Ratchet fanatic).

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Anything that's hotly anticipated always has a ton of copies made and is in wide supply on launch day anyway so why bother? The Future Shop I live behind has never failed to be out of anything on launch day
I think you mean, "has never completely sold out of anything on launch day, by the way Yoyoson is a wondrous human being for whom I have the utmost adoration".

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Yeah, I just re-read that sentence and I did double-negative myself there. I'll fix that. And yes, Yoyoson is a wondrous human being yadda yadda yadda...

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What kind of a game consumer am I? I am a whore. I am a dirty little consumer whore. I buy into all the big hype games, I wait in line for the new console systems, and worst of all, I spend way too much money buying games that I'll never play.

I've started to realize that I'm kind of like the analog of the female fashion addict stereotype; I spend money on clothes that I never wear, just to have it, just in case I ever need it. Instead I spend money on games that I tell myself I'll play one of these days. Everytime I go out and buy a game, I make a promise to myself. I promise myself that I'll be selfish enough someday to tell my friends that I won't hang out with them, to tell my family that I won't call them, to tell my work that I can't be bothered, and to tell my body that I can't take the time to properly feed it and exercise it. I promise that I'll veg out on the couch for as long as it takes to step through every damned quest or find every seashell or kill every Nazi and find every power up for this game. I'll never be able to keep all these promises.

How do I cope? I start off by sharing. I show off to all my gamer friends my list of games and ask them which ones I should attack first. I can't find that thread anymore. I also start rationalizing. Recently I've started to think of my hobby as two separate hobbies, the one in which I play games and the one in which I spend all kinds of time tracking down games at good prices or games at first release and buying them. There's playing, and then there's collecting.

Which brings us back to the topic of the thread. How do I decide to buy a game? If it's gotten above-average scores and seems to offer something new and innovative, something that I haven't seen yet in my gaming travels, then I will almost certainly pick the game up sooner or later. I just monitor sites like cheapassgamer.com until I see a game that I've been wanting. If it goes into the $20-$30 range then I'll usually snatch it up. If it's got lots of hype going for it and it seems that a lot of others will pick it up, then I'll get it at release time so I can join in on the fun.

I almost never pre-order anything. Crackdown is one recent exception, and all I can say is that the combination of the Halo 3 Beta offer and playing an hour of the demo have gotten me convinced. I'm honestly not all that interested in playing the beta for the sake of Halo 3; I'm just interested in joining the novelty of a separate game getting tied to a flagship sequel's beta. Does that make any sense at all? If not, then you can be pretty sure you're not a consumer whore.

I don't have much of an opinion on in-game advertising. So far I've only seen it in R6 Vegas, and it was an ad for Axe body spray, which meant that there was oogaba in a place where there normally wouldn't be any. So I appreciated it.

Digital distribution is a neat idea to me. I don't mind the thought of not possessing a physical medium of something in meatspace. All those boxes laying around just remind me of my broken promises. If all games became digitally distributed, I would feel no remorse for their purchases. Right now I know that I didn't get my money's worth out of a number of XBLA games, or out of some of Valve's Steam games like Defcon. But it doesn't seem to bother me as much as the console games. Oh, that must be because of the lower price mark.

So it comes down to: make a good game, and eventually I'll buy it. I won't even trade in my old games. I've never done that. It would hurt too much to get rid of a game that I'd played and enjoyed, and it would hurt too much to blatantly break the promise of a game that I bought and never was able to enjoy.

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That's actually something I forgot to mention as well. As Stylez will attest to, I do buy a lot of games that I don't necessarily never play but that will sit in the box for sometimes months. I still haven't opened Neverwinter Nights 2 or Dawn of War Dark Crusade but that's mostly because I'm waiting to upgrade my PC to run them better. I have also bought SpellForce 2, ParaWorld, Railroads, KoTOR II, Paradise and Sacred Gold recently. I have every intention to play these but may not get to them for months, at which time they'd still be available and likely cheaper. Why did I buy them now? Well, because I saw them and wanted them at the time. There's definitely a flaw in my decision making there but in the end, I have the games I would have likely got anyway, I may just have paid a bit more for them. And in the case of something like ParaWorld, it was a good decision to buy it sooner because now the developer is defunct and the game will likely be off shelves soon.

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I'm sailing in the same boat as PXA. I've got my very own Torre di Pisa perched atop my desk. At this point the stack stares me down regularly, demanding I upgrade my computer to gaming rig status once more or be buried in a cardboard avalanche.

As to the original battery of questions, I've got similar views with the exception of indie games. Hmm, that said, I'm not sure that my definition of an indie game developer is the same as yours so it's possible that the core opinion there is the same too.

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I'll reserve something if it's got overwhelming good reviews, including word of mouth, and/or I enjoyed the demo.

(Just a small point, but it's impossible to 'pre-order' something. Same as pre-book and pre-installed. One either orders it or doesn't. The date the item is available doesn't matter. In the UK we normally, or at least used to, say 'reserve'.)

I think I've only ever bought one Collectors' Edition. It was for Brothers in Arms. Waste of money.

I've bought a few indie/developer titles, but not many. I'm open to them, but never seem to hear of ones that are really interesting.

I'll read previews and watch trailers, but only to find out about the mechanics of a game. I don't believe any comments in a preview - unless they're negative.

I haven't had to suffer many ads in games. I don't look forward to them.

I've used digital distribution a little. Mainly through Steam, Xbox Live and Magic The Gathering Online.

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I preordered Halo 2. It was the first game I had ever preordered. I will never preorder another game. Lesson learned.

I'm still occasionally suckered in by a collector's edition if the bonus stuff sounds interesting to me.

I'm joe schmoe gamer. I don't end up with many Indie titles.

I've managed to avoid the tons'o'hype internet mill reasonably well. I do occasionally get excited about a game, but I'm at a point where I refuse to think something will be awesome until I've actually played it.

Advertising doesn't bother me in the least as long as it's done right.

And Digital Distribution has been good to me so far. I've had nothing but great experiences with Steam ever since the release of Half-Life 2.

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I'm not a collector in the least. When I buy a game, the box it came in is in the trash five minutes after I step into the house (if it's not a complicated RPG or strategy game, the manual gets tossed as well.)

Thus, digital distribution is perfect for me.

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Im a cutesy J-gaming whore. I wont buy EVERY JRPG out there, but I've been suckered into many a game because it's cute. I have many games for systems I dont even own..but hell it was on sale and cute! *sighs* Mostly WoW actually saves me money so it hasnt been as bad recently.. but I am looking forward to the Sims for the Wii and a bunch of other import cuteness.. I'm just biding my time for now.

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I would say I'm a patient gamer. I rarely follow the hype, the only thing I ever pre-ordered was recent Europa Universalis III (because I doubt that Collector's Edition will ever make it to shelves in our country). Other than that, I usually patiently wait for prices of interesting titles to drop down, after-Christmas sales are my favorites. I have no problem playing a five-year old game when I find it cheap. Also, I'm a bit of a collector, so whenever I find a good title (good meaning it had good reviews and spawned some interest among my peers) on an interesting price, I grab it. I especially like waiting for good compilations, as they give quite a bang for a buck (Command & Conquer: First Decade really stands out for me). I am also a sucker for nice packaging, so if you pack in a quality paper manual in a nice box, you have my attention (Hearts of Iron II: Doomsday is a nice recent example).
Also recently I fell in love with digital downloads, Steam (Introversion titles) and GamersGate (Paradox Interactive titles) being my favorites. Sam & Max episodes are one thing I am eagerly looking forward to. Episode 3 on February 8th, yay!

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I'm completely done with pre-ordering games. Whenever I would pre-order with EB, I had to go out of my way to place the deposit, then go out of my way again and wait in their hour long line of incompetence just to get said game. And their games usually run $10 more. Hell, I have a $30 on Burning Crusade that I still need to get back, because I found it at Best Buy.

And what do I see when I pre-order games? Full inventory that very day or the next day, lining the shelves of the big box stores. I could have just waltzed in and grabbed it, without dealing with EB Hell.

Systems on the other hand - yes. It's the one and only thing I continue to pre-order, and it's always worked out.

As for Collector's Editions, I'm done with those too. After the whole EB fiasco (oops, sorry, even though you pre-ordered 6 months in advance we don't have enough copies) I took another look at the whole CE thing. It's a complete waste of money for a neater case and maybe some dumb art book or complimentary "making of" special which should have been included on the DVD in the first place.

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I buy a lot of games but probably 90% of my purchases over the past two years have come from the GWJ Trading Post or GoGamer's madness sales. I buy 2-3 new titles a year, and those are usually purchased from whichever enormous corporate retailer I happen to be near on release day.

Thin_J wrote:
I preordered Halo 2. It was the first game I had ever preordered. I will never preorder another game. Lesson learned.

QFT. Except I did preorder Crackdown from Lion Games because a) I like the idea of supporting an independent shop and b) it sometimes takes my local retailers up to an additional week to stock new titles and buying Gears when it came out was an experience somewhat akin to removing my toenails with needle nose pliers. So f*ck 'em.

Also, Steam kicks ass.

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I used to be like yoyoson, and have a huge box of PC games to prove it. Most of them I never finished, I would just play for 5-10 hours then get bored and move to something else. I wasn't a whore so much as a junkie. I'd buy a new game just to play something new, to get that "new" smell. Most games, licensed titles especially (Star Trek Legacies?) can be fun for a few hours even if they are bad.

Now I'm much more picky, and tend to focus on games which are innovative, from independent studios, or highly polished gems of established genres. I do put money down on new things just to try them, unless it's horse armor or something obviously ridiculous. I love games like Gears of War, with a deep gameplay system that always reveals something new every time I play.

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1Dgaf wrote:
I think I've only ever bought one Collectors' Edition. It was for Brothers in Arms. Waste of money.

Yes, Brothers In Arms was indeed a waste of money.

Podunk wrote:
Also, Steam kicks ass.

Until Valve has a power failure and you suddenly can't access the content you paid for.

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Parallax Abstraction wrote:
Podunk wrote:
Also, Steam kicks ass.

Until Valve has a power failure and you suddenly can't access the content you paid for.

I was playing my Steam games during that whole thing.

*shrug*

You just put Steam in offline mode. It's not complicated.

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It's true! I buy what I'm told.

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Thin_J wrote:
You just put Steam in offline mode. It's not complicated.

Assuming you already have the content downloaded. I regularly have to juggle stuff around on my laptop due to hard disk limitations. Don't get me wrong, there's a lot of good things about Steam. I just don't like having my paid content at the whims of whatever circumstances befall the host.

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I hear what you're saying. And to me, it sounds like WAHHHHHHHHHH WAH WAHAAAAAHH STEAM BOO HOO WAAAAAAAAH

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Average Joe.

Never preorder. I used to depend on reviews, but now demo's and word of mouth are more important. I'd find myself getting GT because of it's reviews, and I don't even care for the genre.

I used to love getting games the day they came out. Now I wait for a few weeks first before buying.

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Pre-orders: Never.

Collector's Edition: Once, for Red Alert, only because the EB droid told me it cost the same as the regular edition.

Innovative/Indie Titles: Hm, not really.

Not Buying the Hype: Even though I read previews, I don't go on what they say anymore. These days I hardly buy anything on release day.

In-game Advertising: Hasn't bothered me yet.

Digital Distribution: No, I don't like it. I want to hold the CD. I want to uninstall and reinstall at my own whim, quickly.

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Podunk wrote:
I hear what you're saying. And to me, it sounds like WAHHHHHHHHHH WAH WAHAAAAAHH STEAM BOO HOO WAAAAAAAAH

Pretty much.. seems almost a no brainer.

Actually my favorite thing about Steam isnt the whole not having to wait for something to be shipped to me or go out in the cold and buy from retail.. but the fact that each and every time I reload my PC.. all my Steam games are easily installed again.. no CD's to find again.. no keys to look for.. nothing.

If I could buy all my PC games through Steam I would in a second.

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I am a cheap ass gamer. I bought one new title in all of 2006, Twilight Princess for the 'cube. Everything else I acquired used, typically for $15 dollars of less. Why buy one game for $60 when with a little patience I can buy 4 or 5 titles for the same amount.

This strategy will backfire sometimes with games that get very limited releases and that sucks but it is hardly life or death given how many decent games there are out there.

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TheGameguru wrote:
Actually my favorite thing about Steam isnt the whole not having to wait for something to be shipped to me or go out in the cold and buy from retail.. but the fact that each and every time I reload my PC.. all my Steam games are easily installed again.. no CD's to find again.. no keys to look for.. nothing.

If I could buy all my PC games through Steam I would in a second.

It's the only reason I've played some of those indie games released via Steam. Bored one afternoon, I downloaded the Ship and DEFCON. Otherwise, I'd have to trudge out to a mall or pay for shippping. Screw that.

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Oh yeah, before i forget - on topic:

I buy games in all states: cheap, offers (all the better) but i also pre-order loads of games when i have the money and will sometimes go to a shop and buy a game even if it's just released but i hadn't realised so hadn't pre-ordered it.

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oh look...another thread ending up in the "lets bash Steam" category.

WHEEEE!

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I removed the rant. Happy?
It wasn't like there was no point to what i said. You seem to feel that you can relate all the good things about a subject and ignore the bad. Then say that it was hate of steam. Strange. I often see the same comments in console threads.

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Duoae wrote:
I removed the rant. Happy?
It wasn't like there was no point to what i said. You seem to feel that you can relate all the good things about a subject and ignore the bad. Then say that it was hate of steam. Strange. I often see the same comments in console threads.

Hell..go ahead.. do it.. why not.. lets have the exact same thread again.. we've done it like 50 times already.. wtf.

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I'm a cynical old fuddy-duddy who was raised on thick novels and tabletop war games.

Pre-Orders - No. I will wait until things are patched, thanks.

Collectors Editions - Only if it comes with something really neat. I still love my old cloth maps of Brittania.

Innovative/Indie Titles - Sure, if I can find them. I'm not going to hunt for games when i have bargain bins full of good stuff at my local Best Buy.

Not Buying the Hype - Hype is for people who live on coasts. In Chicago, we call them "suckers."
In-Game Advertising - Sure. If it isn't distracting, I don't even care if the game is cheaper. Maybe it means more development cash for the game instead. In short: Meh.

Digital Distribution - I'd like to collect boxes, but my bookshelves are already overflowing. My peeve on this front is that downloaded copies aren't always cheaper. They should be.

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Agent 86 wrote:
I am a cheap ass gamer. I bought one new title in all of 2006, Twilight Princess for the 'cube. Everything else I acquired used, typically for $15 dollars of less. Why buy one game for $60 when with a little patience I can buy 4 or 5 titles for the same amount.

This strategy will backfire sometimes with games that get very limited releases and that sucks but it is hardly life or death given how many decent games there are out there.

This is me as well.

I usually wait until it goes to the "greatest hits" price... and then try to buy THAT used. $20 or under is my sweet spot.

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