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Wow. I remember seeing those commercials back in the 80's for the book by L Ron Hubbard "Scientology". I never really thought about what it was. Now I did a little research and all I can say is...wow...just wow. For people to actually believe in something like this is a bit far fetched, but hey who am I to criticize.

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For people to actually believe in something like this is a bit far fetched, but hey who am I to criticize.

I feel the same way about Christianity. At least the Scientology movie would have kickass special effects and not just some poor schmuck getting crucified.
Re: Cruise as Jesus? Sure, just like Pat Robertson could be the modern day Moses.
The problem I see is using a figure from a 'competing' religion to describe a potential 'messiah.' It's just not going to end well for anyone involved. Why not just say: "I think Cruise will do great things for Scientology and be recognized by the world as an important spiritual figure." Then, when the supportive (or paid off) reporter asks "Like Jesus?" You can smile and say "Sure, I suppose. Only time will tell of course!"

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Rezzy wrote:

The problem I see is using a figure from a 'competing' religion to describe a potential 'messiah.' It's just not going to end well for anyone involved. Why not just say: "I think Cruise will do great things for Scientology and be recognized by the world as an important spiritual figure." Then, when the supportive (or paid off) reporter asks "Like Jesus?" You can smile and say "Sure, I suppose. Only time will tell of course!"

Sigh... I should be getting ready for work.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure anytime someone says 'messiah' people make the connection so you don't really need to go there. But then, Scientology is about as subtle as ... oops. Sorry, can't finish this post. Scientology lawyers just issued a c&d.

Not that there's anything wrong with Scientology.

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Well now I don't feel guilty for idolizing Tom Cruise.

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High-ranking Scientologist David Miscavige is convinced Cruise, 44, will one day be worshipped like Jesus all over the world, becoming a prophet for the religion.

I thought he was, until he went bat-shiat crazy?

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Tom Christ just doesn't have the same ring.

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See New Jersey ain't so bad afterall, we export New Religion Messiah wannabe's. Maybe we should change our State Nickname from the Garden State to the Messiah State.

And New York, take that! you may devour half our pro sports teams, but you don't have a New Religion Messiah.. Ha! If you'll excuse me now, I must go exorcise some tortured alien souls. I thought I only had to worry about demons... now the aliens are fighting for control too. All these entities wanting a piece of me... I feel so special.

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Heh... see my friend's picture he made here:

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Digg it please, I want the world to see this!

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I feel the same way about Christianity. At least the Scientology movie would have kickass special effects and not just some poor schmuck getting crucified.

You have a point about the movie, but then again the movie would be based on science fiction that somehow became a religion. Christianity on the other hand is based on the Bible, focusing on the New Testament, which is far from science fiction considering there is evidence pointing to the events and people in the Bible actually having existed.

I am assuming you were referring to:

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For people to actually believe in something like this is a bit far fetched

When you say that you feel the same way about Christianity.

I've probably sent this thread on the path to P&C, but someone has to stand up for Christianity every now and then. Seems like it happens less and less nowadays (not here in particular).

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Just like Christ, he has been criticised for his views. But future generations will realise he was right, just like Jesus.

Not that I really care too much about either religion, but doesn't this sentence kinda contradict itself on a metaphysical level?

What I mean is, Scientology preaches that enlightenment comes from finding truth, and that they don't recognize the Christian God as a supreme being. Jesus taught that the Christian God was the only true god, and to worship anything else was blasphemous. So how can both Cruise and Jesus be right?

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PurEvil wrote:
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Just like Christ, he has been criticised for his views. But future generations will realise he was right, just like Jesus.

Not that I really care too much about either religion, but doesn't this sentence kinda contradict itself on a metaphysical level?

What I mean is, Scientology preaches that enlightenment comes from finding truth, and that they don't recognize the Christian God as a supreme being. Jesus taught that the Christian God was the only true god, and to worship anything else was blasphemous. So how can both Cruise and Jesus be right?

Nice catch. That rubbed me wrong, but I couldn't have put it into words like you did.

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The religion's founder, American science fiction writer L Ron Hubbard, claimed that extra terrestrial beings were sent to planet Earth by intergalactic ruler Xenu, who then blew up the aliens with hydrogen bombs in a volcano.

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"In other news, John Travolta has checked into rehab for abuse of anti-depressants."

Wouldn't that lend credence to the whole 'psychiatry is evil' line of thinking?

"Scientologist David Miscavige says Travolta had his plane hijacked by a gang of psychiatrists who forced Travolta to stop using his 'Tech' and start using Zoloft."

"Scientologist Messiah Cruise is reportedly considering removing Travolta from his post as the 'Holy Ghost-like figure of Scientology' as a result."

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wordsmythe wrote:
I hope this train doesn't go to Cleveland.

Heh, nice. I think the point of this thread is to point and laugh at Scientology, which I certainly enjoy doing. If we want to point and laugh at Christianity, we should do so in another thread (most likely P&C, because Christianity is more popular). So, on to the snarky pointing and laughing. Wouldn't Tom Cruise be more of a saint? I mean, unless he was put here by Xenu himself, and he's Xenu's son, he's not really a corollary to Christ. Though, he does exhibit qualities that are better explained by his being an extra-terrestrial. I would think that the Creator would make him taller, though. Were he Tom Xenu Christ, what does that make Suri? Is Katie his Mary Madelene? Will Tom Hanks with long hair discover this later on?

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Demonicmaster wrote:
Wow. I remember seeing those commercials back in the 80's for the book by L Ron Hubbard "Scientology". I never really thought about what it was. Now I did a little research and all I can say is...wow...just wow. For people to actually believe in something like this is a bit far fetched, but hey who am I to criticize.

Yeah.. "Get control, page 547.." large exploding volcano thing... booming voice "DIANETICS! by L. Ron Hubbard."

Forgive me for saying, I don't think even Christ would leave Nicole Kidman.

"The religion's founder, American science fiction writer L Ron Hubbard, claimed that extra terrestrial beings were sent to planet Earth by intergalactic ruler Xenu, who then blew up the aliens with hydrogen bombs in a volcano." After playing Black Sabbath at 78 speed..

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MaxShrek wrote:

"The religion's founder, American science fiction writer L Ron Hubbard, claimed that extra terrestrial beings were sent to planet Earth by intergalactic ruler Xenu, who then blew up the aliens with hydrogen bombs in a volcano." After playing Black Sabbath at 78 speed..

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I think the difference between Christianity and Scientology is that Christianity's been around long enough to have weekend warriors. The statement "not all Christians are fundamentalists" is a truism. The statement "not all Scientologists are fundamentalists" is false. In part due to its youth (few have been born into Scientology, yet,) and in part due to its ultra-strict regulations on what one "may see" (some would call it brainwashing,) Scientology is simply more extreme than the mainstream religions.

I dislike Scientology because I think the upper echelons are still simply frauds - knowing fakes bilking people for money, and no other reason. How long it will remain like that is still to be seen, but if Scientology persists for long, it runs the risk of becoming too earnest for its founders' good, and becoming a legitimate religion! I LIKE Scientology because I think it's a characature of religion - everything wrong with institutionalized faith, blown up to proportions that non-members can't ignore.

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So how can both Cruise and Jesus be right?

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In every Scientology thread someone has to come up with the "edgy" comment about Scientology and Christianty being equivalent. And sure, they are exactly the same, the way a legitimate business and the Mafia are exactly the same. I mean they're both businesses, and screw big business rah rah rah....

Except the Mafia kills people, and extorts money, and generally does tons of illegal and immoral things. A legitimate business at it's worst might raid your 401k. There's a world of difference there.

Scientology doesn't preach enlightenment, they sell enlightenment. Christian preachers don't stop in the middle of a sermon and tell you to insert $300k if you want to hear the rest of it. Scientology charges ridiculous sums of money for it's message, and constantly ruins people's lives by slowly ramping them up the ladder until they're millions in debt. Scientology also denies psychological help to it's followers, which has caused the death of several members so far and constant mental problems to several more. Scientology sues people to get them to stop saying anything critical of Scientology, and until lately they successfully kept the lid on their craziness through their ridiculously powerful legal team. It's only through sheer force of numbers that the press can even print articles like the one above. And I can see by several of the respones here that most people still don't know how Scientology really works. It also ostracizes members who leave the congregation, to the point of almost destroying their career, constantly harassing them legally and illegally, and generally trying to ruin their life. To Scientologists, all non-members are "fair game" which means a Scientologists can do anything to them, including murder. To pretend that Christianity and Scientology are equivalent shows a great deal of ignorance about how Scientology actually operates. Christianity is a pet dog, Scientology is a rabid timberwolf.

Just read a little at http://www.xenu.net/ which is a very informative site.

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Wouldn't Tom Cruise be more of a saint? I mean, unless he was put here by Xenu himself, and he's Xenu's son, he's not really a corollary to Christ.

Xenu's the BAD one, dude. He's chained up at the center of the Earth, jeeze! Don't you know ANYTHING?

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Wouldn't Tom Cruise be more of a saint? I mean, unless he was put here by Xenu himself, and he's Xenu's son, he's not really a corollary to Christ.

Xenu's the BAD one, dude. He's chained up at the center of the Earth, jeeze! Don't you know ANYTHING?

sh*t. I guess I'm in need of some major saving, here.

Pyro, your post was neither pointing nor laughing. It's Tom Cruise, man. It all practically writes itself.

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So what you're saying, Pyro, is that Christianity is a teddy bear, while Scientology is bad news bears?

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What would Tom Cruise do?

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I lost all respect for Cruise after his little rant about Psychology and Psychiatry being bullsh*t, how antidepressants don't work, and he can cure someone, himself, with "The Power of Scientology" (tm). The man is batsh*t crazy and has finally reached a new level of it where not even the yes men he surrounded him self with can put up with it anymore.

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Dr._J wrote:
I lost all respect for Cruise after his little rant about Psychology and Psychiatry being bullsh*t, how antidepressants don't work, and he can cure someone, himself, with "The Power of Scientology" (tm). The man is batsh*t crazy and has finally reached a new level of it where not even the yes men he surrounded him self with can put up with it anymore.

Look, you just don't understand. Tom knows the history of psychiatry. You don't. You don't know it. You don't understand!

Still, isn't this a lot of hoopla based on what is not even a second-hand report?

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A source close to the actor is quoted by Britain's The Sun newspaper as saying: "Tom has been told he is Scientology's Christ-like figure."

So some guy heard from someone else that Tom was told he is like Christ. Yeah, I think Tom and the rest of the Scientologists are nuts, but this story is not real journalism.

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Personally, I can't imagine making all my life's decisions based on the writings of a science fiction writer. That is just totally insane. Silent birth? What the hell are they thinking? I can tell you a woman didn't make up that rule. I was in the room for both of my kid's births and it was anything BUT silent. Mostly my wife telling me what she was going to do to me later for putting her in this position.

I think this whole thing is just more evidence of how out of whack Hollywood is compared to everyday America.

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Isn't he like the only one that could afford to be like Christ? Would he also have to lose that lovin' feeling if he was?

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