Stuck in a Job Quandary: Manager at a Startup vs. Comfortable Office Grunt
My job career has sort of become stagnant and I'm not sure what to do about it so I thought I would see what my fellow GWJers would do.
Right now, I'm typing this in a nice corner office working as a Tier 1 QA Engineer grunt for a major corporation. I've been working here for six years and many of my duties are normally performed by a QA Manager and Tier 3 QA Engineers which make significantly more money than me. I brought this up to our Project Manager back in September along with my company's official job descriptions for those positions and their typical salary ranges. With the medical bills for my son combined with a never-ending mountain of credit card debt, I desperately need a raise to help make ends meet. To make matters worse, my company used to offer annual reviews but due to "internal HR Dept. issues" we haven't had any salary adjustments or reviews in two years. My boss said that he would discuss it with his supervisors and over the course of the past three months he kept telling me that a promotion is on the way. Three months! Now when he brings up my upcoming promotion he's telling me that "it's waiting on just one more signature" or "it's being reviewed by the executives" in a condescending manner. After all this time I think he's playing a game with me, that I won't call his bluff and leave the company or something. There have also been a variety of scandals around here lately with people backstabbing each other for promotions and a lot of our best talent have been leaving for other jobs. The attitude and culture around here is really negative BUT it's a secure, comfortable position with little opportunity for growth that's just ten minutes away from my house.
So, I started looking for a job earlier this month and after interviewing at a few places, one popped up that I don't think I can pass up. Some former coworkers (all of them successful businessmen) of mine started a company two years ago and just got a new round of venture capital. The initial development of their product is done but they want to hire me to supervise and manage their newly formed QA & Support Department. The difference in gross salary isn't much more than I'm making now but the benefits package is completely paid for which bumps up my net pay a bit. I also negotiated my way to three weeks of paid vacation and $10,000 in Stock Options. So I get to lead my own team, I get the title change and responsibility that I have been looking for but I'm not getting as much of a salary perk as I hoped for. I also get a 40 minute commute every day which will cut into that salary bump quite a bit but I'll still be making a lot more than I was before.
So, there's my whole predicament... Do I stick with the cozy office job that might someday promote me, or do I take a chance with a startup willing to hand me my own Dept. to manage.
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I'd take the startup without blinking. It's amazing what you can get done when you're motivated and in a small company that doesn't have 40 levels of management.
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If you feel up to it, and you want to do it, I say go for it. Just remember: no job is as secure as you want to think it is. So if your main factor in staying at your current dead-end position (sounds like it's dead-end at least) is job security, you're asking for trouble.
The startup sounds better to me because it sounds relatively secure anyway, but if you want to stay where you are at least use the other job offer for leverage to negotiate a better package from your current employer. Things can happen fast even in a big place when there's a need for them to do so.
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From the ouside looking in, it's simple. The start up. I'm sure the thought is somewhat frightening of leaving a comfortable job, the current routine. The "unknown" is always scarier than the "known" even if the "known" sucks and you hate it. But from one guy stuck in a very similar deadend job situation to another.. jump on it. You will regret it for a very long time if you don't take the chance because you'll always be wondering "what if...."
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Or as Alienz said, the opportunity could be used to leverage your perpetually upcoming promotion at the current job if job security at the startup is a worry. You could just say you weren't looking, but this great opportunity fell into my lap and since things are kind of at a stand still here I'm thinking about taking it. See what they do.
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The way I (admittedly young and unbound) see it, the worst that may happen to you is having a few very impressive additional qualifications on your resume once the start-up goes belly-up. Looked at it like that, the decision doesn't seem to be that difficult.
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Two years with no salary adjustments or reviews should be the reddest of red flags you have ever seen in your life. I don't know how old you are, but you typically make the greatest career advancements in the 30-40 year old range. If you're in your 30s, you are now a couple of years behind where you ought to be. You're making anywhere from 5-15% less just because of no adjustments and inflation. Take the new job, stick with it for at least 18 months. If it goes belly-up or you hate it, at least you'll have the experience and the salary history.
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Oh, you should probably rot in the cozy office job.
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You seem to have decided already. I say go with your instinct.
Magnus and Hemidal seem to have the experienced advice you're looking for. Just be sure to get your entertaining resignation letter approved by us first.
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I'm right there with everyone else's comments so far but I want to pick out one point in particular.
You don't deserve to get toyed with by your current bosses. I would not advise jumping ship just to spite them, but you deserve to be told where you stand in a timely matter when you ask politely. As Hemidal said, that is a huge red flag. How long do you think it takes them to evaluate whether someone deserves a promotion? How long would it take you to make that evaluation? At the very least you should be getting regular updates with actual information, not just "it's waiting on one more signature" (from an unnamed boss/paper-pusher).
Ultimately you'll have to evaluate if they're really jerking your chain or if a promotion really is right around the corner, but from the way you've described your current situation it doesn't sound like you trust your bosses.
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Sometimes not taking a risk is more of a risk than taking it.
Being stuck in an unfullfilling job is miserable. If this new startup is people you trust who are dedicated in making things work there's no question you should be with them. Not only are the opportunities for advancement huge but the overall morale change will just plain make you feel better about everything.
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Oh my, the timing of this thread hit me on a personal level. Personal evaluations are due, and I'm miserable, caught in the same corporate machine, as I reflect back on the past year.
A chance to build something in the start-up seems very promising. My heart echoes the comments of those earlier, if you trust the people there already, it might be a great chance to really define your own future.
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I worked 9.5 years at IBM as a contractor. I was good enough to never worry about ever being fired, but I wasn't "IBM Material". I went to a fast growing (read VC fueled crap factory) start up and then moved on to my current job at a small company. My current company has very nice benefits and I get payed more than I made at any previous job. I am an IT Sys Admin and I get to wear a lot of hats. I also work more than I did at IBM. But, I get to make a difference in the company. I have won several awards in my first year there helping get the IT department whipped into shape and I don't have to worry about 2:00am meltdowns anymore (like I did my entire time working at the high profile startup). I'm working 40 hours a week tops at my own pace with the occasional weekend maintenance window (which I get comped for). I work with people I like and the CEO is a technical, smart person who knows what I am saying when I explain why we should do A instead of B. This company isn't revenue driven and they have no VC money, but they make a profit every year.
I say go for the smaller company if you actually want a job that might add to your life. Some people are ok if their job sucks every day (I met a lot of them at IBM and the VC startup), but that wasn't me.
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I feel for you. But I think you already knew the answer when you posted the question. That's a good thing, and we disparate communities are hear to provide moral support in times like these.
I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt: you're good at what you do. If you've never made the scary leap into entrepreneurville before, you owe it to yourself to make it. I feel for your parents pressure -- I know it well. I've made the leap, and had it both work, and had it bite me in the ass, and I wouldn't have traded it for the world.
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In my ten and half years of LARGE corp. companies, the best way to advance is to leave for two years. After two years send your resume back to the original company and VIOLA! You are now your boss' boss' boss. ie you are two or three levels above where you were before. The poor smucks who stick around get known as the go to guy but never really advance like they should because they are too busy fixing problems to get experience to advance. If I knew of of job offering the same economic rewards but with more opportunities to go I would jump.
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Startup. If they're already gotten several runs of venture capital then I'd say that there's some strong promise.
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Startup. 2 years without reviews or salary adjustments is an insult and a warning that the company isn't improving. Plus you describe the startup in a positive manner, which makes me think you prefer it anyway. Your company isn't showing you enough respect, especially with 3 months of dangling you. You deserve better, end the relationship.
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Startup.
Just make sure you can cover your son's medical stuff still.
From reading your stuff, I have the horrible feeling that your boss is going to fire you soon at the current place.
And the new place will probably be a great experience for you as well. The only reason not to go is security at the current job, which doesn't even sound that secure, get the hell out of there and take the stapler with you.
Startup.
Also - once your spot is secure at the startup, walk into your boss' office and tell him that you've got another job and you would bet money that your promotion got that last signature just ten minutes ago.
Then walk out.
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I'm just going to say stick to your current job to try and grab some attention, while the obvious thing to do reading your post is quit and go for the startup. Duh.
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Dude, stay where you are! You've gotta think about 30 years into the future when you look back and think about all the great times you've had in that little corner office, trying to reach that perpetual carrot (although it'll probably be a bit 'off' by then). You wont have a single thought of regret about a risky missed opportunity that could've turned into a disaster.
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Dude, you gotta go! You've gotta think about 30 years into the future when you look back at all the great learning and experience you'll have accumulated - whether it's successful or not. You wont have a single thought of regret about the safe but predictable McJob you left behind, because you can always end up in one of those at any time.
Which seems more likely/appealing to your personality?
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I'll take this from a different angle. Although I am still young, I have seen first hand what happens when you stay with a job that you are unsatisfied with. Every day becomes just another grind. You punch in, watch the clock tick by while you half heartily try to perform a job you are jaded with. You work with your boss who you begin to develop ill will against because he keeps giving you the run around about advancement on your promotion. When you keep going through those steps every year, you become very dissatisfied with more than your job. Having to trudge it out day after day, year after a year will begin to impact yourself as a person.
An old friend of mine once told me that if I did what I do love to do for a living, then everything else would fall into place. If you feel that this new job could re-invigorate yourself and make going to work a pleasant thing, then go for it. Forget the pay, the commute, the "new-ness" of the company, the office job you left behind and go for it. If this is the kind of job that you could see yourself looking forward to performing that daywhile commuting there in the morning, then don't think twice and go for it. If you are happy doing your job and enjoy it, then everything else will fall into place.
Also I agree with Logan. If you tell your boss you are leaving, your promotion will all of a sudden will just have come through.
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Don't forget to start stealing office supplies when you make your decision.
Nothing big. Just a few pens every night. Post-it notes, file folders... don't forget to put a few sheets of blank paper in those file folders, because empty ones would be suspicious. Oh, and attach some paper clips to those folders, too. Try to take these things from co-workers' desks when they're not around.
Remember, if they're not paying you what you think you're worth, this is one of several ways to achieve equilibrium. And to stick it to them before you leave.
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No question about it; go with the start up. I tried promoting a guy at a former position and it too months to get the title and salary to line up. It's BS and I bet there is some hesitation on your managements behalf.
If you still have some doubts, confirm the new job via an offer letter with a start date and give notice. If your current company is serious about you, they will counter. Then you can make your decision.
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