My turn! Building a new PC (Need advice) <update>

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I'm building a new PC from the ground up, here is what I have in mind:
I'd like it to be quad core
Quad SLI would be nice too if it's available
New monitor, speakers, etc are needed as well
I have a very high budget

With that in mind, what would you suggest? It's been 5 years since I've built a PC, I haven't been keeping up with hardware as much as I should.

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Your name is confusing. At a glance I read it as Brennil, in which case I thought "Wouldn't she just ask Certis?"

Then I clicked on it and noticed my mistake.

Anyway!

Quad SLI is pointless. Let's just get that out of the way right now. You'll get better performance out of a regular SLI setup using two of the new 8800 Series cards than you will out of the Dual 7950GX2's. Quad SLI's benefits are extremely minor, and that's only when it actually works. Totally not worth the money or effort involved.

Third: You do understand just how preliminary and unsupported all the Quad Core stuff really is right now right?

On the other hand.. if you're looking to be as future proof as possible... by all means. Spend the crazy dough building an uber rig.

Your choice of Quad core severely limits your motherboard choices right now due to support still being in the really early stages. I can't seem to find the list of Core 2 Quad supporting boards here, but there is one out there. If one of the new Nforce 680i boards is on that list that's what I'd recommend, without a doubt.

As for your other stuff like monitor.. how big do you want to go? If price really is no object get one of the new 1080p LCD TV's and play everything at 1920x1080. You could get a 37 or 40 incher.

The only surefire recommendation I can make as far as a super-rig is for a new case. The Stacker RC-830 is the best case in the history of computer cases.

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You'll get better performance out of a regular SLI setup using two of the new 8800 Series cards than you will out of the Dual 7950GX2's.

This was my suspicion... good to have it confirmed.

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You do understand just how preliminary and unsupported all the Quad Core stuff really is right now right?

Yes, I do. I have the means to do a major upgrade about every 5 years, so I want it to last as long as possible, even if it means spending more now.

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If one of the new Nforce 680i boards is on that list that's what I'd recommend, without a doubt.

I was looking at exactly this.

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As for your other stuff like monitor.. how big do you want to go?

Well, I don't have HD service in my house, since I never really watch TV, I don't anticipate needing it... So this is going to be on my desk. I was looking at the Dell 30" monitor, but was a little worried about the 12ms response time. It doesn't need to be much bigger than that I suppose, it's only going to ever be a few feet from my head anyway.

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The Stacker RC-830 is the best case in the history of computer cases.

Wow, that is really nice!

What would be the best match for memory in that MB? My thought was to max it out with Corsair XMS2 DOMINATOR 8888 memory.
I also wanted the Corsair 620 watt power supply, but I'm afraid that won't be enough juice to drive two BFGTech GeForce 8800 GTX cards. But quality is important to me as well.
Hard drives are more tricky for me... I don't think I want to go SCSI, the speed of the UDMA drives are fairly equal these days, right?

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For your power supply go for one of the higher end PC Power & Cooling supplies. I think they're the best around as far as high quality PC power supplies these days. Nvidia is recommending somewhere around the 800watt range for a PSU to run two 8800GTX's, though I think if the amperage is there on the 12v rails for a slightly lower wattage supply it would probably run fine. I'm looking forward to seeing if anybody tries two GTX's on my 750watt. It's got tons of amperage on the 12v rail so there's really no reason it shouldn't work.

Oh! and if you're getting GTX cards.. why get the BFG's? If you're looking to spend top dollar wait for wider availability on the EVGA 8800GTX w/ACS3 cooling on it. It runs faster and cooler than all the other GTX cards, though it does it at a price. The other one you could consider is the Sparkle Calibre GTX with the dual-fan peltier cooling solution on it. The downside on that one is that it draws even more juice from a power supply than the other GTX cards. There's a roundup of 8800GTX cards (and one GTS) over at anandtech.com still linked on the front page. Check it out if you want to compare the GTX's to each other. You'll get a good look at the differences between the one evga and the Sparkle compared to the GTX boards that use the reference design.

For your RAM, I'd say you can't go wrong with anything in the XMS line.

And on hard drives.. yes, in general SCSI isn't really worth it. I'd say get a couple of Rapter 10k rpm drives and you'll be happy as can be.

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Alright, I just placed my order and this is what I have coming so far...

SAMSUNG 18X DVD±R DVD Burner With 12X DVD-RAM Write Black E-IDE/ATAPI Model SH-S182D - OEM
Model #: SH-S182D
Item #: N82E16827151133

COOLER MASTER Stacker 830 RC-830-SSN2-GP Silver Aluminum ATX Full Tower Computer Case - Retail
Model #: RC-830-SSN2-GP
Item #: N82E16811119103

x2 Western Digital Raptor X WD1500AHFDRTL 150GB 10,000 RPM Serial ATA150 Hard Drive - Retail
Model #: WD1500AHFDRTL
Item #: N82E16822136035

x2 eVGA 768-P2-N831-AR GeForce 8800GTX 768MB GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP Video Card - Retail
Model #: 768-P2-N831-AR
Item #: N82E16814130072

BFG Tech BFGRPHYSX128P PhysX Processing Unit 128MB GDDR3 PCI Physics Card - Retail
Model #: BFGRPHYSX128P
Item #: N82E16814143055

PC Power & Cooling Turbo-Cool 1KW-SR EPS12V 1000W Continuous @ 50°C Power Supply - Retail
Model #: Turbo-Cool 1KW-SR
Item #: N82E16817703007

eVGA 122-CK-NF68-AR Socket T (LGA 775) NVIDIA nForce 680i SLI ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
Model #: 122-CK-NF68-AR
Item #: N82E16813188009

Intel Core 2 Extreme QX6700 Kentsfield 2.66GHz 2 x 4MB L2 Cache LGA 775 Processor - Retail
Model #: BX80562QX6700
Item #: N82E16819115011

* Creative Gigaworks S750 700 Watts 7.1 Speaker - retail
Model #: GigaWorks S750
Item #: N82E16836116142

* CORSAIR Dominator 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1111 (PC2 8888) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail
Model #: TWIN2X2048-8888C4DF
Item #: N82E16820145044

DELL ULTRASHARP 3007WFP Dell 30 inch UltraSharp Widescreen Digital Flat Panel

All the items with * are out of stock for now. I'll probably order a nice CPU fan and some extra case fans with my next order... possibly a better sound card than the built in. I hope I'm not missing anything.

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Did you make sure those video cards are on the supported list for the 30" Dell Monitor? I recall you needing some special card type to make it work.

Dell's Site wrote:
The Dell™3007WFP requires a DVI-D dual-link graphic card that supports WQXGA (2560x1600) resolution. The 3007WFP is optimized to work with select Dell™ XPS Desktops and Precision WorkStations or systems that support WQXGA.

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Both cards have dual DVI ports. I'm not sure what else it could possibly require.

I know they'll run that resolution though. One of the hardware sites benchmarked games running in that resolution

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Thin_J wrote:
Both cards have dual DVI ports. I'm not sure what else it could possibly require.

I know they'll run that resolution though. One of the hardware sites benchmarked games running in that resolution

Dual DVI ports and Dual Link DVI cards are different. He just has to check with the manufacturer to be sure!

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no soundcard?

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Dual DVI ports and Dual Link DVI cards are different. He just has to check with the manufacturer to be sure!

Never heard of Dual Link DVI before. What the heck does it even mean?

Oh, and can I make a recommendation for a new mouse? The Microsoft Habu is everything the Logitech G5 should have been.

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I just checked around to be sure, and it looks like other people are running the 8800 GTX cards with the 3007WFP without any issues.

The sound card is going to be a standard creative labs 7.1 capable card.

I haven't ordered a mouse/keyboard yet, but that Habu looks pretty nifty!

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Brannil wrote:
I haven't ordered a mouse/keyboard yet, but that Habu looks pretty nifty!

Mine came yesterday. My initial impressions are exactly as I said above. It has all the features of the G5 without any of the glaring usability warts like the missing forward button or the damn near unusable middle mouse button.

And the software isn't worthless like Logitech Setpoint is

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Alright, so I put the new computer together after finally getting all of my parts in. Everything went to gether so smoothly, the parts were almost made for that case. Once I got windows loaded and a few video driver bugs worked out, Everything is going smoothly. I honestly can't believe how good that system is. I can finally run Oblivion with all he video features maxed out with a nice smooth framerate, running at 2560x1600. I can stand in Ironforge between the bank and auction house and not drop below 58 fps. I am in love with my computer... I admit it.

Thin_J, thanks for the advice you gave... that PC power and cooling kilowatt power supply is beautiful, and the stacker case is a solid aluminum work of art. As for the mouse, that's going to be a christmas present... if I buy everything I want, there will be nothing left for family to get me for christmas.

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Brannil wrote:
Thin_J, thanks for the advice you gave... that PC power and cooling kilowatt power supply is beautiful, and the stacker case is a solid aluminum work of art.

Very welcome sir. Especially glad you like the Stacker.

It could be a plain silver box and I'd still love it as long as it was easy to work in and as configurable as it is. Anytime someone asks for a high end case recommendation I think back to just how simple and easy that thing is to work with/in and I find it hard to recommend anything else.

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Brannil wrote:

Thin_J, thanks for the advice you gave... that PC power and cooling kilowatt power supply is beautiful, and the stacker case is a solid aluminum work of art. As for the mouse, that's going to be a christmas present... if I buy everything I want, there will be nothing left for family to get me for christmas.

Family, huh... You're not, uh, adopting by any chance, are you?

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Family, huh... You're not, uh, adopting by any chance, are you?

My wife and kids are plenty enough for me... Unless you want to do all my chores for me.

Well of course nothing can go completely smoothly, huh? Last night one of the two hard drives just up and crapped the bed. At least it was the one with all my games loaded and not the OS. The only thing I'm wary of now is that I bought them at the same time... I'm afraid they came from the same faulty batch and that the other will bite it too.

Oh well, I guess I'll just have to wait and see. (and RMA the dead one)

I suppose it could have been worse.

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ew one of the raptors eh....hope you didn't catch edwins bug

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Just an FYI, tons of people have posted on eVGA's forum about SATA issues with that mobo. Might be worth checking into.

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It looks like so far most people are having trouble with the raid set... I just have mine set up as seperate drives. Thanks for the heads-up, I'm going to keep reding down the forums. Hopefully it was just one fluke bad controller board on that drive. (crosses fingers)

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Thin_J wrote:
Never heard of Dual Link DVI before. What the heck does it even mean?

Sorry I'm a little late to the thread.

Regular DVI only has official bandwidth to support 1600x1200. When the widescreen 24" monitors like the Dell 2405 came out, they modified the spec a little, and stole enough of the vertical blank time to send the extra pixels. (LCDs don't really need a vertical blank anyway, so it worked well.) But that's as far as they can go... 1920x1200x60fps is absolutely taxing a DVI port to its limits.

Dual-link DVI just doubles up on the number of signal wires. It's sort of like sending two 1920x1200 signals at once. I don't remember the resolution of the 30" screens, but I bet they're very close to the limit of dual-link, and going much further is going to require yet another new standard.

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Thank you sir, for the explanation

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That is such... ridiculous power. Do you see a noticeable improvement with the physics card? I wasn't even aware that such a thing was on the market until you mentioned it in your list. Anyways sweet machine, it rivals the power of the newest Voodoo PCs, and probably cost you far less.