The official \"we got Saddam\" thread
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Sunday, December 14th, 2003 - 11:55am
Okay, Saddam's been captured. All the cheering goes in the Everything Else thread, post all your controversial stuff here.
I'll get us started.
"Where's Osama?"
"See, the Iraq war was justified!" - someone will respond going "whats controversial about this one?"
"Hmm, Saddam gets captured just as Bush and the Iraq war are getting in political hot water. Expect Osama to get captured around November next year"
"Iraq is now safe"
After all that random mocking I feel I have to say I think it's great Saddam has been captured. I think everybody can agree it's good to have him be put on trial for what he's done.
"Poor Eli Nooo... *child starts crying*"
"Come on now, there's no need to make that kind of noise. It sounds awful and you'll upset other people." - Ionae from Spirit Engine 2
Actually, for a while now, I''ve been expecting the Saddam/Osama captures to be timed during the middle/late part of next year when it would be most advantageous.
I was quite pleasantly surprised when I checked the news this morning and found that, at least in the case of Saddam, I was wrong.
However, I still believe that either the capture of Osama or a key terrorist attack will be used to the advantage of the administration during 2004 to aid their cause in re-electing Bush.
Okay, direct your flamethrowers at me now; I''ve earned it.
And just in case my previous post could be misconstrued, let me repeat: I''m glad we got Saddam, and I definitely believe he should be put on trial. (international tribunal or whatever it is they do for ""leaders"" who commit crimes against humanity)
Good news to wake up to indeed.
My prediction, purely based on speculation, is that Bush will say a bunch of things about how this means Iraq will now quiet down and attacks lessen , since the specter of Saddam is not hanging over them anymore, but the attacks probably won''t cease for a few more weeks if that. In fact I wouldn''t be surprised if it gets worse before it gets better, in regard to ambushes, IED''s etc.
Edit to add - Well I''m wrong so far. In his 5 min speech Bush said the violence in Iraq won''t end right away. Despite the fact I don''t like the president that much, it''s good to be wrong sometimes.
"That men do not learn very much from the lessons of history is the most important of all the lessons of history. "
- Aldous Huxley
I saw on CNN that he is answering questions and cooperating so it will be interesting to see what he has to say, assuming we get to know.
He looks like Maxmilian Schell from The Black Hole.
Cue conservatives jacking off about this...now.
"Men like sex, thus boobies! Oogaba!" - dejanzie
"If ads put your sanity to the test
come on down to Rat Boy's nest!
light up a stogie, and soon you'll see
how rock can be commercial-free!
'I'd hit it!'" - HP Lovesauce
""Cue conservatives jacking off about this...now.""
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh....
That was good...
I'm bringing sexy back!
Where''s Osama?
"Men like sex, thus boobies! Oogaba!" - dejanzie
"If ads put your sanity to the test
come on down to Rat Boy's nest!
light up a stogie, and soon you'll see
how rock can be commercial-free!
'I'd hit it!'" - HP Lovesauce
At McDonalds.
In another thread I am sure.
Xbox Live: Kooter06
I guess some people didn''t get the memo.
With al-Qaeda in country, Saddam''s capture won''t make a difference with the level of violence.
"Men like sex, thus boobies! Oogaba!" - dejanzie
"If ads put your sanity to the test
come on down to Rat Boy's nest!
light up a stogie, and soon you'll see
how rock can be commercial-free!
'I'd hit it!'" - HP Lovesauce
To be expected. It should be nasty for a few weeks with the capture.
Xbox Live: Kooter06
And now that people know that the Ba''athists won''t be coming back, expect the factions to get more assertive and try to dictate terms of a new government. The Shi''ites are already upset that the new government won''t be Islamic-based.
"Men like sex, thus boobies! Oogaba!" - dejanzie
"If ads put your sanity to the test
come on down to Rat Boy's nest!
light up a stogie, and soon you'll see
how rock can be commercial-free!
'I'd hit it!'" - HP Lovesauce
Then there''s Pakistan, the true home of terror.
If that bomb had killed Musharaf, it would have been a tremendous setback, perhaps overshadowing any short-term gains made today.
"Men like sex, thus boobies! Oogaba!" - dejanzie
"If ads put your sanity to the test
come on down to Rat Boy's nest!
light up a stogie, and soon you'll see
how rock can be commercial-free!
'I'd hit it!'" - HP Lovesauce
I''m just glad I won''t have to see anymore political cartoons with bin Laden and Saddam sitting on the couch eating Chee-tos and laughing at the hapless Americans.
I know the reason we caught him. He rolled a critical failure and followed that up with a 20. OWNAGE!
For instance, there are 108 beads in a Catholic rosary and there are 108 stitches in a baseball. When I learned that, I gave Jesus a chance. ~Ron Shelton, Bull Durham, 1988
Sure the attacks may step up in the short term. But this is the beginning of the end.
If Saddam wasn''t such a coward, he''d have used that gun on himself. Good for us he didn''t.
Now he has a choice, he can cooperate with the U.S., or we can leave him with the Iraqis. I hope he makes a similiar choice of self preservation.
I'm bringing sexy back!
In terms of the insurgency, Saddam was a minor figure. The fact he hopped from hole in the ground to hole in the ground is an indication he wasn''t planning or executing the attacks.
"Men like sex, thus boobies! Oogaba!" - dejanzie
"If ads put your sanity to the test
come on down to Rat Boy's nest!
light up a stogie, and soon you'll see
how rock can be commercial-free!
'I'd hit it!'" - HP Lovesauce
Wow, Rat knows who''s behind the insurgent attacks, and apparently knew where Saddam was since Rat is sure he wasn''t involved in theser attacks! Rat, I consider you a traitor for not sharing this information with the military.
Reagan understood that the key to peace was never arms control. Security had nothing to do with the number of weapons, it had everything to do with the intention and power of those who possessed them. - Charles Krauthammer
Now there''s a surprise.
"Men like sex, thus boobies! Oogaba!" - dejanzie
"If ads put your sanity to the test
come on down to Rat Boy's nest!
light up a stogie, and soon you'll see
how rock can be commercial-free!
'I'd hit it!'" - HP Lovesauce
I seriously doubt that he has spent the last 6 months in holes. His fortunes have likely taken a turn for the worse over the last 2 months. The US really stepped up efforts against Saddam''s loyalists recently. I suspect that November was the real ""last hurrah"" for Saddam''s loyalists. They probably lost contact with him early in November and assumed he would be captured or found dead at any time, and therefore raised as much trouble as possible in hopes the US would cut and run.
I will admit much of this is speculation, but I don''t see anyone, especially someone as old and pampered as Saddam, living in holes for half a year in the heat of Iraq.
This is a pleasant surprise!
Im still in shock. I figured he was dead. This is a great coup for the Bush administration. Its a big boost for the world too. It will be interesting to see how events turn out in the coming years. Believe it or not, there is no past precedent for this. I know we arent supposed to bring up Hitler in internet posts but this is nearly like if we had caught him.
Two further things: I am a little surprised at how excited I was when I found out we caught him. It was very surreal, like living in an alternate time line. Also, call me a traitor if you will, I would feel much better/safer if we had gotten Bin Laden instead.
Being fangoriously devoured by a gelatinous monster.
That doesn''t make you a traitor. It makes you rational.
I would sleep a lot better if I felt like our president hadn''t derailed the war on terrorism for his own narrow political agenda.
Xbox Live: hubbinsd
What narrow political agenda is that?
Reagan understood that the key to peace was never arms control. Security had nothing to do with the number of weapons, it had everything to do with the intention and power of those who possessed them. - Charles Krauthammer
Saddam''s small fry in comparison, honestly. I wouldn''t get my hopes up for any major world-shaking consequences of this; these things tend to be a bit anti-climactic. Still, it''s bound to be nice for the Iraqi people to get a definite ending to the Saddam chapter, and it''s going to boost morale among the troops there. They''ll need it, facing christmas in Iraq.
"The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one's time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all."
It could be argued that there weren''t any ramifications to not capturing Hitler either, after we had defeated the German army and bombed his war-making capability into oblivion.
However, contrary to those who are grasping at any straw to say Saddam wasn''t important, the reports so far indicate that he was actively involved in the insurgency, in addition to being the central figure of hope for those wishing a return to Baathist rule. In the long run, without his capture, the end of the insurgency and the acceptance of a new regime would have taken much longer, costing many more Iraqi and coalition lives.
Reagan understood that the key to peace was never arms control. Security had nothing to do with the number of weapons, it had everything to do with the intention and power of those who possessed them. - Charles Krauthammer
Not quite.
Conservatives would love to think that Saddam''s capture solves everything, but it doesn''t. The insurgency is much more diverse than the Baath party, with people out for different things. Just because they all want the US out does not mean that they are in league together.
"Men like sex, thus boobies! Oogaba!" - dejanzie
"If ads put your sanity to the test
come on down to Rat Boy's nest!
light up a stogie, and soon you'll see
how rock can be commercial-free!
'I'd hit it!'" - HP Lovesauce
Yeah, I agree completely with that. I didn''t mean to imply anything of the like, it was two seperate points. It was a bit poorly worded.
"The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one's time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all."
But it does fit into the Republican mindset that if you don''t agree with Dubya, you''re an obstructionist, unpatriotic, anti-American. Despite what the Republicans have marketing to United States citizens, there are more than one side, one idea to any given problem.
In this, if nothing else, the Republicans are consistent.
Which is liberal propaganda. Give me a quote from the administration calling anyone any of those things.
Reagan understood that the key to peace was never arms control. Security had nothing to do with the number of weapons, it had everything to do with the intention and power of those who possessed them. - Charles Krauthammer