Wasn't it in Serious Sam too? I just seem to remember hearing about it, I haven't actually played it.

Serious Sam I and II have those kamikaze suicide bombers.

I think taking down a suicide bomber within the context of a game is totally valid subject matter. Might be very therapeutic in a way. I consider this perspective, that of the hero,

I'm just human and I got my faults I guess. I would start to get offended with the opposite perspective, if a games goal was to be a suicide bomber and take out as many civilians as possible. I just think that is poor taste, and I know someone is gonna play devils advocate, but I dont care, I just hate the tactic.

Hey Irongut, are you offended by Burnout? Ever since Burnout 2, that game's had a crash mode where the objective is to drive your car into an intersection and cause as horrible an accident as possible.

I havent played burnout, but I actually have a cheap copy of 2 I had picked up. No, I dont get as offended with that, its less personal, just virtual cars. I probably wouldnt have played Carmeggedon though which is closer in context with running down folks.

I like games where I can apsire to being what I consider a hero, I think. I just have trouble being the villian.

I wouldnt ban a game that had this subject matter, I would just find it dis-tasteful to me.

I dont know what it is. If I really think about it, I even hold the Kamikaze Flyers of WWII to a higher standard than the terrorists who walk into a coffee shop and blow up folks drinking their morning cappaccino. I think it comes down to nothing more than I am in a comfort zone when a military tactic is being used against a military objective, but I dont like such tactics against civilians. I know this is a quickie post and I'm probably not even doing my own perspective justice.

To be clear though, I wouldnt ban such a game. I would just find it distasteful personally and not play it myself.

Here you go, 93.

Maybe I'm just twisted, but using the suicide bombers in C&C Generals is just so fun. I'm actually quite surprised there wasn't a huge uproar over that game.

You'll also find Suicide bombers in Dark Reign.

There is no good, no bad, only different views. I think a game following a character whos ultimate demise was suicide bombing could bring a very cool narritive and play style. The story would have to be very well ingrained and the gameplay more than serious. Who could pull off a game like that though?

It's good to see both perspectives, but there are times that kind of rationalization is bull. Do you really think there is no good, no bad?

A recent example would be walking into a school and shooting little girls.
What is the valuable side of the other perspective?

Exploding a wedding party, what is the heroic part of that perspective.

When we are young we latch onto ideas of right and wrong to help build a picture of the world. As we grow a bit older things begin to grow grey as we consider the perspectives of each side and challenge just about everything. But I do believe as we finally grow old we start to see clearly again that there is a right and wrong in many cases and the grey is just rationalization.

I think there are some games that are distasteful and should NEVER be made, but I dont control that. Hmm whats a quick example.

Example #1) How about a game called Slave Tycoon, set in the 18th Century. Work with local African tribes to help them conquer their enemies and turn their neighbors into a valuable trade resource while you take over the globe. I think that game might be distasteful. There might be a narrative there but does it really need to be explored?

Example #2)How about a game called Rape and Pillage, a splinter cell style stealth shooter where your mission is to kill and rape local civilians during an armed conflict without being captured. In singleplayer mode characters use stealth and while in coop it is small team tactics. Different difficulty settings can represent different nationalities with increasingly informed news media that will make it more difficult to achieve your mission without ending up on the nightly news. Once again, might be the potential for a very moving game where we can explore the effect of war upon psyche and the transformation from warrior to monster. But I dont see any good in that transformation, I find the whole idea repugnant.

Some perspectives are wrong, even if one side feels self justified and by-standers are willing to rationalize so their life can return to normal over dinner and dessert. Once again, I wouldnt ban these games, there would be no need, the market itself would turn a cold shoulder to them entirely.

Pillaging will be enabled in the expansion for a small microtransaction fee. (I didnt know such a game existed.. I'm too innocent. Darn I cant even be edgy and inventive.)

This is a perfect example of a game that could be made if done tastefully. This game could really educate people about why slavery was wrong, and all of what it entailed. It could have you do things like break up families in order to increase your profits, killing children to keep the mother working, horrible things like that. You'd increase your profits, but lose your self respect as a person. Basically if you play the game right, you should feel like a pretty horrible human being. Which should tell you something about slavery.

Should Ellis have never written American Psycho just because the main character is a horrible psychopath? It reflects something uncomfortable and wrong with our society. It educates us about them, holds a mirror up to our flaws so we can face them and improve ourselves. It in no way encourages what Patrick Bateman does or how he lives, and by showing how he lives in brutal honest detail it reveals a little something about the society we live in.

I personally am of the opinion that anyone who makes a list of art that just shouldn't be made, further illustrates exactly why those things should be made.

This was done in one of the C&Cs, the one that had the Yuri's Revenge expansion.

The Libyans had a nuclear suicide truck. I remember two of the click messages: "Watch out for de bumps!" and "One way trip!" They were large, obvious, fragile units that laid waste to a huge area when they were killed.

I think it was Crazy Ivan who could rig anything to explode, so you could even grab civilian vehicles and turn them into carbombs. They weren't as destructive as the suicide trucks, but they hurt quite badly in a smaller area.