Books About Roman History?

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Last time I tried this thread with the American Revolutionary war it went really well so I'm giving it another shot. I love history books, especially those that read like a story. Just as a sample, I really loved John Adams by McCullough, Nazi Germany by Fischer and Angel in the Whirlwind by Bobrick.

Anyways, I'm really starting to get into Roman history. Do any other GWJer history buffs have any recommendations? Early history, civil war, late history, whatever. Just interested in the whole Roman era. Is The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire still a good read? Where should I start?

Also, if you want to discuss any other books about Romans feel free, we can never have too many threads about books on GWJ.

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From the Gracchi to Nero is a great book. My Roman history professor last spring said that it is THE modern monograph on Roman history. And since I've read it, I agree. It's pretty awesome.

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Hate to hijack the thread but it does have strong Roman ties, I swear! I'm wondering if anyone has any suggestions for good books about Rome's battles with Carthage as well, the Punic Wars.

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I second "From the Gracchi to Nero", as it does a great job of explaining the changes to the Republic from city-state to empire. As far as the Punic wars, I enjoy the "contemporary" (I use the term losely) accounts of Livy and Polybius, particualrly the latter. The Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire is an interesting read because Polybius was outside the Roman state but had access to the upper strata of the Roman people, and many of his accounts of the war with Hannibal come from veterans of those battles.

Has anyone read Scullard's History of the Roman World? I'm only familiar with "From the Gracchi to Nero."

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Is The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire still a good read? Where should I start?

Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire by Edward Gibbon is an interesting book. I read most of it (the abridged version) a few years back. It was written in mid to late 1700's and shows its age. The writing style is at times absolutely brilliant and at other times dry and boring, like that high school textbook you used to hate so much. I cannot honestly recommend it as an engaging history book unless you are into classical literature.

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PyromanFO wrote:
Also, if you want to discuss any other books about Romans feel free, we can never have too many threads about books on GWJ.

Hear hear!

I'd recommend both Holland's Rubicon and Christopher Meier's Caesar. The former is more of a pulpy, non-historical overview of the Roman state, and the latter is a very sharp, well-written book about the man and the political situation surrounding his life (and death).

If you're interested in the decline of the late Roman Empire and the rise of the Byzantine, I'd go with J.J. Norwich's Short History of Byzantium. Its a condensed version of his three volume work, and while it can be alittle... I dunno... 'all over the place' at times, it is a very good book.

Haven't read from the Gracchi to Nero, but based on the suggestions, I'll definitely look into it.

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As far as the Punic wars, I enjoy the "contemporary" (I use the term losely) accounts of Livy and Polybius, particualrly the latter.

I agree, and on a broader scale. I think you're probably better off going with contemporary works, and then stepping back from those to read modern surveys. Or reverse that. Read the modern ones, and then go back to read the accounts of events you find interesting.

If I can recommend one or two, Caesar's works on the Civil and Gallic Wars are great. Fantastic reads.

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I've got a really good book on the architecture of Rome that is very detailed and has a lot of history associated with it. I'll try and look it up when I get home.

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I would start with Julius Caesar's account of the Gallic Wars. It is incredibly self-serving and reads much like Kissinger's White House Years.

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bennard wrote:
I've got a really good book on the architecture of Rome that is very detailed and has a lot of history associated with it. I'll try and look it up when I get home.

Was it Ward-Perkins' Roman Imperial Architecture? That was one of our texts in my class on the subject.

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If you're interested in the decline of the late Roman Empire and the rise of the Byzantine, I'd go with J.J. Norwich's Short History of Byzantium. Its a condensed version of his three volume work, and while it can be alittle... I dunno... 'all over the place' at times, it is a very good book.

I second the Norwich single-volume version. Though the full set is exhaustive, the "Short History" is better written. He had to be less florid to cut the length, and it helps to focus his prose.

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If I can recommend one or two, Caesar's works on the Civil and Gallic Wars are great. Fantastic reads.

I should probably try these again in translation - I can't say I particularly enjoyed his ego in latin.

Yet another pick - A.J. Langguth's A Noise Of War. Though there are some factual flubs (transpositions of names and such), it does do a very good job of laying out the who and what of the transition from republic to empire. A bonus is that it is an engaging read.

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If I can recommend one or two, Caesar's works on the Civil and Gallic Wars are great. Fantastic reads.

I should probably try these again in translation - I can't say I particularly enjoyed his ego in latin.

I haven't read the Latin, so I can't comment, but that's just part of the book, in my mind. Its intended as a propaganda piece for his own advantages, and Gallic Wars is written to glorify (and justify) the campaign to the Senate and the people of Rome.
Most modern translations acknowledge that, so the reader knows it going in, and it never really bothered me that much.

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bennard wrote:
I've got a really good book on the architecture of Rome that is very detailed and has a lot of history associated with it. I'll try and look it up when I get home.

Was it Ward-Perkins' Roman Imperial Architecture? That was one of our texts in my class on the subject.

Actually, I think it's Rome: An Oxford Archaeological Guide

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The book Bennard recommends ("Rome: An Oxford Archaeological Guide") is the single best book about the monuments and topography of Rome for a non-specialist (outstripping the "Blue Guide," which is watered down with all this Medieval and Renaissance stuff that seems to be in that city too). It's not really good cover-to-cover reading, but if one is going to Rome and can bring a single book about the Roman period that's the one.

I just read a very favorable review of a new book by a new author, Josiah Osgood's "Caesar's Legacy...", which is about the triumviral period (a.k.a. the period which undoubtedly will be covered in Season 2 of HBO's "Rome"). Here's a link:
http://www.amazon.com/Caesars-Legacy-Civil-Emergence-Empire/dp/052185582...

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One more suggestion: Josephus's "The Jewish War" (available in an excellent Penguin (or Oxford?) translation). It's among the very best sources for the Roman army in action, and has lots of interesting history in it.

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Another vote for Rubcon by Tom Holland. That book impressed me so much that I dug out RTW and started playing it again.

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One of the best books about the Empire and it's border policies is Edward Luttwak's: The Grand Stategy Of The Roman Empire From The First Century A.D.to the Third

Dates from the early 1980s; slim volume, but man oh man, what a brilliant synthesis....he's huge in a DC thinktank these days (I forget which one) and has contributed to the Washington Post and Wall Street Journal...

Also, for the Varusschlacht (Teutobuerger Wald disaster; three legions lost "Varus, Varus, bring back my Legions!"):

The Quest For the Lost Roman Legions: Discovering the Varus Battlefield by Tony Clunn

He actually, verifiably, and undeniably, found the site of the battle(s) and has a vivid retelling of his theory (which is very sound). Book is hard to get hold of, however.

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Steven Pressfield - a great author. His Virtues of War on Alexander the Great is pretty good. I know you said Roman but his Gates of Fire on the Greeks is one of the best books I've read.

He has another one on Alexander the Great, this one on his effort to invade Afghanistan - The Afghan Campaign. I haven't read it yet.

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Vegetius' De Re Militari is the best surviving description of the late western Roman military. It's a bit of a dry read, but it is a real eye-opener to how sophisticated the Romans were, and how the Roman army gradually disintegrated. The only translation I know of is the Lt. John Clark one from 1767 - that's the one I have.

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I would start with Julius Caesar's account of the Gallic Wars. It is incredibly self-serving and reads much like Kissinger's White House Years.
I'll second or third that vote. In fact, I need to dig that back out and reread it.

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Tons of great suggestions, thanks guys!

I've ordered Rubicon,Caesar,Virtues of War,Gates of Fire and From the Gracchi to Nero. That's plenty of material to keep my busy for a while

I'll try to come back to this thread when I get some of them read with impressions, but I think it'll be a while. Thanks for all the great suggestions.

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I wanted to suggest Gates of fire but since that is about the greeks I didn't. It's a very great read tho, I liked it alot. Lot's of gory details and very good description of the battle. And very in your face language, wich I like more then the soft talk all over the place while meaning to say f*ck.

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A not so obvious recommendation would be Early Medieval Europe (300-1000) by Roger Collins. An engaging read about the decline of Roman Empire and how it influenced the development of medieval Europe. I also have to second "The Jewish War" by Flavius Josephus.

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EZSnappin wrote:
Haakon7 wrote:
If you're interested in the decline of the late Roman Empire and the rise of the Byzantine, I'd go with J.J. Norwich's Short History of Byzantium. Its a condensed version of his three volume work, and while it can be alittle... I dunno... 'all over the place' at times, it is a very good book.

I second the Norwich single-volume version. Though the full set is exhaustive, the "Short History" is better written. He had to be less florid to cut the length, and it helps to focus his prose.

I'll third this suggestion. It's incredibly well written, and at times you forget that you're reading a history book. His recounting and description of the final defense of Constantinople against the Turks was almost moving, and the book as a whole was immensely satisfying. Even though you realize you're getting the "short version" of events, it is still feels pretty complex. I guess that happens when you're trying to condense 1000+ years of history in ~400 pages.

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For my money, Sir Steven Runciman's "The Fall of Constantinople, 1453" is almost unbeatable. I still get goosebumps thinking about the Venetian "relief expedition"'s battle in the Bosphorus, and, of course, the final assault on The City....

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Check out Seutonius' The 12 Ceasers - biographies of the first 12 Roman emperors written in the I think 3rd century AD - great read. Fairly short and readable, lots of juicy details and gossip. highly recommended

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Plutarch is always nice too.

Forgot about him earlier.