Vista gaming will be 10% to 15% slower than on XP
Sunday, October 8th, 2006 - 9:10am
This is from the
Inquirer, so take with a pound of salt.
If true, I am disappointed that MS has learned nothing and has not truly innovated or improved its new OS.
So the reason for DX10 video cards is not due to a superior DirectX API, but a need to overcome the overhead introduced by the Vista. I will take two sir, as well as a tub of vaseline.
*Updated* Thanks to pol for the link.
Anandtech has a blurb about this as well.
Anandtech wrote:
Such is not the case for FEAR or Battlefield 2 however. Here the performance drops are all over 25%, the worst being FEAR with antialiasing at 40%. At this point these are large enough drops that they'll certainly impact playability, necessitating cranking down the resolution or settings in order to make up for the drop. As we've said in previous articles, hopefully performance will continue to improve, but the window between now and the launch is getting perilously small, so it seems increasingly likely that Vista gaming performance won't match (or even come close to) XP performance at launch time, at least with ATI's cards. We'll leave the question of why anyone would release a Vista-only game for you to debate.
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Windows has always been a looser in my book. It will always be a looser, Bills Gates ruined inovation, contribution by the computing community, standards and ruined computers.
Go for their eyes boo
Same ol', same ol'...
That is exactly why I was using Win 98 until year 2003. It will take two more generations of hardware to make that extra fat irrelevant...
But, no M$ - no games... So I'll shut it now.
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Do we really need these kinds of post here? I mean really.. what purpose is this serving?
And your getting worked up about a rumor? havent we learned our lesson yet? and so.. instead of 75fps we'll get 67.5 fps?
uh yeah.
Aint nothing new about the world order..it's been playing since the day they put George Washington on a quarter
85's face the truth you're too dumb.
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Windows XP is reputed to be about 40M Source Lines Of Code; Vista, maybe 50M. By comparison, Linux ranges from 17M to 213M. MacOS X, about 86M. (My company's Solaris, still the best server OS - 7.5M.)
A company really has to work hard to keep code under control. For it's first decade, MS followed an aggressive, add-features and release schedule that ensured that they could not easily prune and modify the code. This has continued with Windows, even though 98, XP and Vista were all initally going to be massive rewrites that would fundamentally change the way Windows works, along with it's complexity and size. Each one has failed in that, while succeeding at making some parts better. I expect Vista to be the same.
To my mind, MS's last innovation was the mouse wheel-button. But I'm supposed to think that way, my bias is on my business shirts.
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True or not, windows is still crap.
Go for their eyes boo
What is a looser anyway? Software that's not tight?
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Anand is reporting the same thing.
Im not sure why everyone is suprised though, with all the things they are redoing/adding wouldnt one expect it to require a bit more from the hardware? I mean I understand the whole minimalist approach to the OS, but I dont think thats what MS does...if all you want is a gaming platform, why would you be thinking about upgrading anyway? dx10 is going to be a while before it becomes mainstream. Games arent going to need the extra available RAM initially. Enjoy XP if it already does what you want, and be happy that there is an OS that will allow you to grow into the hardware you covet so much in the future.
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Tell your desktop boys to port/compile Gnome or something... I've had to TA a class using Solaris as the environment and lemme tell you, it's a bit clunky.
If this were true, I don't think it's unreasonable to expect the software to be an improvement.
Of course, for most of us that build our computers, this is probably a non-issue. It's those that buy from Dell and get stuck with their preinstalled OS that will really get the shaft (again, assuming this is true.)
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You would think there would be a option to disable all the pork fat while you run the game. A simple option in the properties of the shortcut is enough.
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Everytime I disable something in XP it causes more headaches then it helps.
Go for their eyes boo
*shrug* They already have a way to disable the Aero Glass UI for the PC's who can't run it so I don't see why they can't do it.
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bites tongue, that and a good ol' warm bowl of M$.
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lol It's already in there, that's the standard environment. But yeah, it is enabled by not having the fanciest GUI around.
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Sure, this is interesting from a technical stand-point. Not all these posts are windows-tirades.
For what its worth, I run World of Warcraft in OS X instead of XP, and take about 5% performance hit. The stability of the operating system is worth it to me. I don't think Vista's drop will be that big of a deal if they fix the larger security issues.
We shall grapple with the ineffable, and see if we may not eff it after all.
"What misconception traveled down the road and made you want to be here?"
So, did the Inquirer mention that these are not finalized drivers like the other sites I've seen mentioning this stat?
Did you?
Seriously....
If you omit important details, it's not really from a technical standpoint, IMO.
"And my son, too, thinks everything is a launchpad, every bug a meal, and every sunny day a reason to take all your clothes off and roll around in the grass." - rabbit
Well.. beside the fact that its rumors.. I wasnt refering the the original post..but the tirade afterwards.
Aint nothing new about the world order..it's been playing since the day they put George Washington on a quarter
85's face the truth you're too dumb.
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I just noticed that bit...
XP... unstable?
Since when?
"And my son, too, thinks everything is a launchpad, every bug a meal, and every sunny day a reason to take all your clothes off and roll around in the grass." - rabbit
Yeah no need for XP/Vista haterade. Still have to see performance of Vista vs XP in real world conditions once it's done.
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No. But I did offer a pound of salt.
I was just pointing out a news(ish) story and hoping to start a conversation about it. Anywho, thanks for participating.
Oh and I updated the head topic for you. Back to the discussion.
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Welp.. I'll sum it up like this.. we had very similar arguments back in the day when we made the transistion from Windows 98SE/2000 to XP.
At first people were grumbling how bloated and slow XP was in gaming.. given time.. no big deal.
Aint nothing new about the world order..it's been playing since the day they put George Washington on a quarter
85's face the truth you're too dumb.
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Sorry, but it didn't sound like you were trying to discuss it seriously. It sounded (and on rereading, still sounds) like run-of-the-mill Slashdot-style MS-bashing. Short on details, long on fingerpointing. Since noone has finalized video drivers, any graphics benchmark run today is pretty much pointless. Vitriolic comments about getting shafted because for some reason MS is making you buy a video card they get no money from just seems... silly.
Yes, pound of salt.
Yes, prefixed with an if.
Followed with lots of FUD.
"And my son, too, thinks everything is a launchpad, every bug a meal, and every sunny day a reason to take all your clothes off and roll around in the grass." - rabbit
Haha, for me, yes XP is unstable. I don't like winbloat, I don't like spyware, I don't like viruses. XP is a huge improvement over the 16-bit Win98 era, but it is still noticeable maintenance heavy. I like using my computer for whatever the hell I want to use it for, and OS X is the first OS to allow me to do that for a long time. I don't run virus scanners, I install whatever the hell I want, and I haven't had to reinstall the system in 3 years. I challenge you to do that in XP. OS X is the only OS I've ever know to fix itself if I left an major issue alone for a week, which its done for me 3 times now. Yes, I'm talking no patches.
Anyway, I didn't mean to make this a OS X-vs-Windows thing. I'm hoping that Vista does everything right, I still use Windows and want to expand my use of it. I brought up OS X because this reminds me a LOT of the OS 9 to OS X transition. Vista is supposed to be a big platform change for Microsoft, so I imagine it will start a little slower and speed up dramatically as time goes on, just like GG alluded to. I support that.
We shall grapple with the ineffable, and see if we may not eff it after all.
"What misconception traveled down the road and made you want to be here?"
really trying not to sound inflammatory, but wanted to jump at the chance to get an opinion from someone inside Apple...anyway here goes
How well do you think OS X would fare if it became the standard in the industry to the point that MS is? I mean if you wanted to write a virus, would you target a small niche market? Spyware written to infect OS X would be entirely non-effective. Winbloat is a direct result of marketing, Dell can sell a machine for less if its full of marketing when it goes out the door....I'm guessing OS X isnt immune to intentionally installed applications that just happen to suck.
I like OS X, I really do....but I wonder what would happen if the man-hours being put into attacking MS were directed at it.
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Wait a second... wasn't there a big article from this very same source trashing the PlayStation 3 and how bad the cell structure was? I hate fanboyism and gamer bias. GIVE ME GAMES DAMNIT!
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Actually, we really don't.
Please bring more than poor spelling and cliche statements to an argument, guys. I know MS is default whipping boy to some, but take the content level up a notch, Jedi.
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I feel the same way. If OS X had 90% market share, we'd see a lot more viruses I'm sure. However, OS X has security in it that Windows never had, and Apple has been VERY proactive at fixing holes. Vista apes a lot of OS X security features, so you should seen a huge drop in security problems with Windows (which was the point of my post: -5% fps < huge increase in security towards viruses and spyware)
We shall grapple with the ineffable, and see if we may not eff it after all.
"What misconception traveled down the road and made you want to be here?"
I bought XP partially because the thing booted up in a reasonable amount of time.
I do too, if only to see how well the "it's Unix, and Unix is hard to write viruses for" argument would really hold up. I suspect it would fare better than XP, but I'm not sure by what margin.
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I find this whole thing a little disingenuous. I'm ready to jump on something new Operating System-wise if someone can show me that that alternative to Windows can run any game or program I need without jumping through hoops, but so far, there are few contenders.
I've used Vista Beta for a couple of months, and had none of the issues with frame rate drops-there is a level that it is noticable on some titles, but not many. So these scores that they speak of seem to me a bit sensationalistic: if you can't notice it during gameplay, then who cares?
Next, I'd hardly stake my journalistic reputation on Preview releases with non-final video card drivers. That seems like you are deliberately staking the deck in favor of XP. Let's see what the scores are when ATI and Nvidia go final, and Vista is ready.
All they have done is taken non-final code with non-final drivers and said: OMFG, my frame rates drop! Vista sucks! Is that good journalism? Is that even a good deduction from the facts?
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What I fear is the way Microsoft is forcing this DX10 and it's compatabilty on us. They just made Ati and NVidia there bitch by having them include DX10 compatabilty. Not of there free will, but because they made the new DX10 with new features. And I believe this goes further then just some simple enhancements, but more to the point of regulating the market. Yes, I see Microsoft as the big bad company out for our cash. But I do that because I have seen them make twist and turns time and again just to make things harder on the competition. They try to enter every market there is, and try to become involved in everything you do. And I don't like such a big brother.
That doesn't mean they made a great OS with XP, but the activation thing was just so irritating. Even more so to legal users then to illigal users.
Anyway, I hope Vista will bomb hard, and that game developers will force Microsoft to release DX10 for XP. Or even better, rewrite it for linux.
Like that's gonna happen.
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