Heroes: Discussion Thread *spoilers ahead*
Tuesday, September 26th, 2006 - 10:08am
Okay in the new TV season thread they said they thought Heroes deserved its own thread. So, here it is.
Anyway, I thought the show was great and from the previews for next week it looks like there are just going to be more questions with maybe a few answers. Can't wait to keep watching it.
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It was...interesting. I watched it whilst plodding away on the intraweb last night. I will check out next weeks episode and make a more solid determination on the writing.
Only person that I didn't really care for was the angsty cheerleader.
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lunabean wrote:I bet it would be different if she doesn't feel any pain either... I have a feeling that she may go down the path of "Rogue" from X-Men.
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But I think there will be some interesting events that goes on about this girl.
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LobsterMobster wrote:
I didn't mind project-x girl, especially as it became apparent her angst was not all due to her powers. One wonders just how/where her parents (dad) adopted her.
My favorite character so far was Hiro (think the writers are Neal Stephenson fans?), who captured the exuberence of someone discovering they had super powers brilliantly.
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And embracing those powers. I can see a teenage cheerleader type being angsty over anything that makes her freaky. I can see the artist going mad and the webcam chick not being able to tell whats real and whats not real.
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I second the vote for Hiro. I found myself excited with him. The show was very well done. The writing was solid and had a nice flow to it. The hour went by way too quickly. My wife is ranking it up there with BSG, but I think I am going to give it a few weeks before I allow it to enter such hallowed ground.
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My wife, who dislikes sci-fi/fantasy, but does like super hero movies (and Lost) for some reason, really liked it as well. That leaves BSG as the only geek show I have to watch by myself.
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Did anyone see the politician brother having powers coming? That came out of left field for me.
Also, in the trailer that had been on XBL Marketplace, I swear in the scene where the nurse goes to help the artist, the artist had cut off one of his hands. But, last night in that scene I didn't notice it looking like he cut off his hand. Did I miss that/make it up during the trailer?
Can't wait for next weeks episode.
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that politician scene caught me completely off guard. I know the show has just began, but I have my suspicion already.
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BTW, do you mind adding a spoiler alert in your title of the thread Rocky? I hate to have to cover up all the spoilerish comments that I know I will make in the future posts
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Done.
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Okay now that the spoiler warning has been posted. Its time for wild speculation.
So, what is up with the single-mother stripper? Does everyone think she killed those guys physically or did she do it with her mind? I wonder what her power really ends up being.
I really hope this show sticks around.
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Split personality maybe? Like a female version of The Hulk?
Edit: oh and sorry about bother for the spoiler tag, just that i don't want any of us getting by some angry Goodger that can teleport and have super strength for posting spoilers.
Edit 2: I remember there used to be a show (maybe still ongoing) called like Mutant X (?) Any relations between the two show? ( I hope not because I remember that show to be pretty cheesy...)
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Different show than mutant X. Much stronger writing and better cast. Better effects too. The pilot was pretty weak in my opinion. Best part was certainly Hiro's storyline. There is certainly a lot of room for a kick-ass series here though. I Will definitely catch the next episode.
Here's hoping the evil genius is of Lex Luthor proportions.
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Female Hulk... interesting idea, we'll just have to see how her story develops. I loved how Hiro embraced having powers, in fact seemed like he was even seeking them out.
No worries on the spoiler tag, it makes perfect sense. I would hate to get my ass kicked by super strong teleportation guy.
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The great thing is how having them all come together is unfolding.
Oh and chalk another one up for Hiro. He is an incredibly charming kid in the candy store.
I liked the angsty cheerleader. I think she reacted really life like to her situation. I like the pseudo bible belt lecturing by her mom as another obstacle for her to overcome.
I liked cheerleader more than internet porn single mom. Anyone else have questions as to whether IPSM has "evil" powers? They were menacing to say the least.
The politician brother flying was fantastic. I think they are dropping heavy clues to other ties between the brothers.
The son of the Indian professor was great too. I see him as an interesting twist on a powerless Professor X.
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At first I thought the stripper-mom could control her reflection, but that's more of a "magicky" power and the show seems to be taking a "realistic" scientific approach, so that wouldn't make sense. Based on what happened with the fish tank, where all the fish froze, mental powers seem a good bet, but you could always say that was just in her head.
The reflection powers things would be cool, but how would they give an explanation of how it works? Bending light to have physical properties? There was that scene where she left the room and her reflection stayed behind, which I think implies it's not just a hallucination, because with how television and movies work, once the character has left the room, their perception of the room has gone with them.
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I think IPSM is 'evil' but on the other hand they were gangsters and they did want to tap it.
Dad/Guv'ment agent guy seems archetypical though he does have Cheerleader Suppergirl for a daughter.
The medic brother not being the flyer was a cool twist, but going forward he'll be first to die. What kind of lame power is it to know when you're brother is in trouble?
Do you ever walk alone like a drifter in the dark?
If it is mental I wonder if they are going down some sort of "physical" manifestation of multiple personality disorder. We could also read into it that it has to do with consciousness. I.e. when she was tired she had hallucinations, yet when she was hit and hypothetically knocked out, her protector manifested in a physically real enough form to mutilate the goons.
It would be cool if the cheerleader became infused with an adamantium skeleton... ;P j/k How can you not love a girl that can push her ribs back in?
It was barely understandible but I was under the impression that cheerleader was "adopted". I recall her saying something about asking of her real parents.
Also, is IPSM's son just smart or do you think he's super too?
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They must have done a lot of cutting and reshooting for the artist character because the trailers I kept seeing showed the black chick showing up at his door for the first time and he had done a painting before he ever met her with her standing in the doorway. Now in the show it appeared they've known each other for a while so I dunno what was up with that.
I thought the show was intriguing, but I'm still in "wait and see" mode. The previews definitely show it going into possibly weird territory with their being a comic book out and they're all characters in it. It's definitely promising and I'll give it a few more episodes to grow on me.
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I dled the pilot because the Saints game was airing during when it was going to premiere here, but in the version I saw he did cut off his hand. It was on the floor, still "in" the handcuffs he was using to try and go cold turkey. So the impression I got was he sawed off his own hand to free himself so he could get a fix. They didn't spend a lot of time zooming in on it, just panned by it, but it was there.
Did they reshoot it and alter it from the leaked pilot?
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That's totally possible. The show was actually pretty graphically violent, they just didn't really linger on it and glorify it. Angtsy cheerleader and her dislocated shoulder, pushing her own ribs back inside herself, and her mangled hand after putting it in the garbage disposal. And after IPSM (internet porn single mom) killed those two guys I commented to my wife I was surprised they showed that guy cut in half complete with intestines spread all over the floor. She looked at me funny and said she didn't see that, just 2 dead guys. I rewound the DVR and paused it and she stood up and went "OMG! Ewww!" but of course she kept on watching.
It's actually on again tonight if anyone missed it.
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Okay you guys with good eyes, tell me this: what is in the truck that went to the opposite direction of the fire truck in the cheerleader walking with the geek scene? The cheerleader looked shocked at what she saw from the back of the truck, which looked to me like a bomb?
Actually now that I think about it, it looked like a nuke. And remember at the end of the first eps. there was the painting of NYC getting NUKED?
I have a feeling that the people in the truck are terrorists (or something like that) and they caused the train wreck. The train is transporting the innards of a nuke which is hijacked now...
Oh where did the acrynom IPSM come about?
I don't think the reflection that she sees are actual reflections. (a clear fish tank will not be able to produce such a clear "true relection") They are "reflections" of IPSM's inner "supa-woman" 
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I just made it up =) Just now in fact!
IPSM I hope it sticks.
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They say in the news footage that the "nrc is coming to quarantine the wreck site" -- I'd gotten that part already, I just missed the hand.
I love this show. I know it will need time to gel, but Hiro alone was enough to make me love this show. He's the BEST. And, speaking a little japanese, I was SOOooo happy they did real colloquial japanese (to my ears) and ran subtitles. At one point, Hiros friend mutters under his breath "baka des yo" which they don't even translate. It means literally "you are a fool" but I believe has more of a "your out of your freaking mind."
Love it love it love it.
EDIT: And IPSM will enter the lexicon. Expect to see it in wired with in 2 months.
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I hope the professor's father isn't alive. I like the idea of the young having to do this on their own, the older either too broken down or too entrenched in the world to really be apart of it. Having the younger professor be their "Xavier" figure, I think, makes a much more interesting dynamic than to pull the blindfold away and - aha! he's not dead after all!
Angsty cheerleader didn't bother me at all. Perhaps because she's hot and not whiny.
Stripper mom I think is definitely a Hulk figure, but in that, her "Hulk" form is like River Tam crossed with Wolverine. The "split" personality, I think, comes from her split life - the life she shows to her son, and the life she doesn't.
The younger brother has very strong dreams, because he's a dreamer at heart. The older brother can fly, because he's an alpha male who essentially wants to "fly" up the ranks of whatever it is he chooses to (in this case, politics).
I like the unique take they have on how personalities match their powers, in a way. It's very subtle. I hope that kind of finesse remains throughout the season.
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Okay all this talk, you guys are making me want to see the next show badly...
BTW, anyone else catch that the professor's dad hid his computer somewhere? Because the Evil dad with glasses said in the phone that he found everything but the computer.
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Thats interesting Logan.
I can see the japanese fellow follow that logic too. He really doesnt want to be where he is so he develops teleportation powers.
The cheerleader perhaps has some abandonment issues so like a lot of teens says to herself that if she doesnt let them in, they cant hurt her. Hence, in her yearning to not get hurt, she develops tissue regeneration.
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His son might have nabbed it. I don't know. Maybe a third party (?) has it. Way too early to tell. Maybe we've got the government people, the good and the bad mutants. Who knows?
I think that asking all these questions on episode one is a good sign people are going to tune in for more.
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It looks like there are two people sitting in the back of the truck, and she is shocked when she sees one of them. Maybe her dad?
I think the hulk hypothesis makes the most sense, but it does't explain why her reflection lingers in that scene where she's already left the room. I think there's more to her reflections than they're "just in her head".
Any idea what role Micah is going to play? His name means "who is like God" or "who resembles God", that seems too good to be a throwaway choice for a name. I mean, in his first scene he's rebuilding a computer's logic board with a soldering iron, and making a pinhole camera for the eclipse. And then later he's buying a train ticket on the phone. I think he's trying to get to where the eclipse will be total, Saresh mentions that in New York it won't be. I also forgot he wants to tell his dad someone's after him and IPSM.
and what about the map? And Patient Zero? Are super-powers... Contagious? Makes more sense it would be genetically transferred, honestly, considering they're all different ages.
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I thought it was okay. The intro scroll seemd a bit cheezy to me. I am interested to see what happens next though.
I think IPSM has a split personality deal going on. Her alternate identity has super ninja-skilz. The whole alternate-self-in-the-mirror reminded me of Long Kiss Goodnight.
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