Man kills baby over a video game...

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Story
here...

I am at a lost of words to describe how I feel after reading this news report.

What!? ... Why!?... Are we degraded this much!?

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Yeah, but if you set off the bomb in Megaton you are rewarded with a parking lot!

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...that's just sickening.

Anybody ever read any of Terry Brooks's "the Word and the Void" books, like "Running with the Demon" or "Knight of the Word"?

Our civilization is increasingly seeming more and more to be following the same path of self-destruction that the world does in those books.

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WTF

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Look, there are 300 million people in America. I guarantee you that on any given day there's a 300 million to one shot that someone is going to do something totally, incomprehensibly frucked up. Meanwhile, in the same day 299,999,999 other people DON'T do something like this.

These events aren't typical of life overall, but they're bound to happen. What I don't get is why do people want to make themselves miserable by focusing on extremely rare events like this or by giving them some wider meaning than is justified by the rate of their occurence?

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Damn... that's just F'd up.

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THe guy's a nutter. Society isn't degraded by the actions of one mad man. And it being a video game is, I think, coincidental. It could have been knocking over a beer, or pulling the plug from the back of the TV. All sorts of things could have set this guy off.

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NBC 10 reporter Deanna Durante said a note on the door of the North Philadelphia row-home Monday night said not to judge Spellman because he would never hurt a child.

Obviously he would.

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Obviously a very messed up story.

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Eight-months pregnant with another baby girl, Turman was struggling with how to cope. She said she fell in love with a man who had never been violent before, and she wanted to know what would possess someone to kill a child.

I find this hard to believe. He never went ballistic until now? Almost sounds like the mother is buffering herself from warnings that this might have happened. A horrid thing a child dying like that.

Go for their eyes boo

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Agreed. The Jack Thompsons and sensationalist media of the world would have many believe that our hobby turns us into raving madmen.

The reality has been laid out many times before, some people are dead weight on the species.

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Clearly the realism in nex-gen videogames has raised them from low-poly murder simulators, to murder enablers by blurring the lines between the virtual and reality. The proven power of HD virtual worlds to affect the same receptors within the brain as stimuli from the real world is causing users to slowly be lulled into a living digital reality, one however in which the moral and social rules are as transparent as a lowered gamma control.

....ummm. I dont believe that at all. Did I get you, just for a second? I was just roleplaying a politician hoping for a few extra votes.

What an unecessary death, obviously brought on by problems inherent in the individual. I don't care how wound up you get by the heat of a moment of a game, if it escalates to something like that, something must be wrong with your frontal lobe... isn't that the part of the brain that inhibits behavior?

Curiousity makes me wonder what game he was crazed about. However, at the same time, I dont want to know as it would just add an unecessary link between videogames and this idiot.

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Does anybody know what he was playing?

(Not trying to be insensitive - just wondering what could be in the crosshairs)

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Sounds like he wasn't playing anything. The kid just broke the game system.

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LobsterMobster wrote:
Sounds like he wasn't playing anything. The kid just broke the game system.

Then it could have been just as easily a scratch on his car that set him off.

Go for their eyes boo

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I'm tired of the Jack Thompsons and irresponsible reporters of the world. Obviously the thing that set this guy off needs to be reported, and so far I haven't seen anyone blowing it out of proportion. It could have been anything, like 1Dgaf said.

All that said, anyone who thinks that a video game could cause someone to harm a child or otherwise commit some horrid act that they are otherwise not disposed to commit is a complete and total idiot, and making it manifest by saying so. I know this is obvious, I know it's been going on for years, but I had to say it. I'm talking absolutely brain-dead people here.

Guys like this father need to be locked up or put out of our misery, and that's it. Any attempt to link a pathetic murder like this to video games, movies, rap music, etc. is just making excuses, trying to justify and unjustifiable act.

This isn't to say that I think no one is affected by, say, the glorification of violence found in some movies and music, but the people who are so affected are idiots who have been poorly raised (if at all) by their idiotic parents.

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Grayjedi wrote:
LobsterMobster wrote:
Sounds like he wasn't playing anything. The kid just broke the game system.

Then it could have been just as easily a scratch on his car that set him off.

Yeah, that kinda makes it more psycho.

I've lost it when a game gets switched off at a crucial moment (not 'hitting-a-baby' lost it though) - but if a kid knocks it over while you're not even on it, well, that's what kids do; break stuff.

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Funkenpants wrote:
Look, there are 300 million people in America. I guarantee you that on any given day there's a 300 million to one shot that someone is going to do something totally, incomprehensibly frucked up. Meanwhile, in the same day 299,999,999 other people DON'T do something like this.

These events aren't typical of life overall, but they're bound to happen. What I don't get is why do people want to make themselves miserable by focusing on extremely rare events like this or by giving them some wider meaning than is justified by the rate of their occurence?

I agree with what you said here completely. Heck, we all have our "nutty" sides. The availability of information definitely help accentrate the "rare" events. That said, the behavior of that guy is just disturbing...

I am sorry to have help spread more negativity to the world *I need to stop reading the news...*

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*In response to being rewarded with a in-game shack for NOT nuking FO3 city Megaton*
Yeah, but if you set off the bomb in Megaton you are rewarded with a parking lot!

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Horrible...

There should be some sort of Sociopath/Psychopath litmus test you can just swab on to someone and see if it changes colors. As far as I'm concerned, punching a 17 month old in the face twice (regardless if it results in death) is grounds for revocation of your membership in the human race. *sighs*

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Yet one more reason why parents should be licensed to prove that they can handle the job. Hint, I don't think most can.

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lethial wrote:
I am sorry to have help spread more negativity to the world *I need to stop reading the news...*

Not a bad idea. Most of what is carried in the typical news program or paper is stuff you don't need to know, and the amount of coverage given to various events distorts their significance and overall place in the big picture.

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lethial wrote:
What!? ... Why!?... Are we degraded this much!?

I don't think we're "degraded this much". There are a lot of awful people out there. And consequently a lot of awful parents out there. From meth-abusing parents who cook it in their house or prostitute their kids out, to parents who kill their kids because they realize later they can't handle the responsibility to parents who tackle kids on the football field (happened recently) in a youth game. There are lots of awful people and awful parents.

Thus the answer isn't to change culture. Culture is going to be decided by what people want, be it violent games, whatever. Like someone else said, he probably would have done the same thing over a scratch on his car or spilled kool-aid if he was a car afficianado. Bad parents are bad parents. Period. End of story.

The real tragedy is that they're allowed to breed so easily.

This is just the tip of the iceberg. As tragic as this is, there are millions of more kids that are neglected and turn violent themselves and are running around like ticking time bombs.

Once again, there are a lot of bad parents.

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This would never have happened if the guy had a PS3. PS3 brings discipline.

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I completely agree with DSGamer. Unfortunately I don't believe I can elaborate on that without pulling a Paleo.

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Uh oh....

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Marsman wrote:
Daddy?
Not now, I'm in a battle.
Daddy!
I said I'm in a battle! What do you want?
Daddy, will you play Barbies with me?
What? No! Can't you see I'm fighting fire giants right now?
Daddy?
*PUNCH! PUNCH!*
Uh oh....

Nah, would never happen.

See, this is why I play mages. You're just never going to see "Man turns dog into a sheep for barking too loudly."

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-1 point for demonizing the video game and not focusing all of the blame on the Dad.

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DSGamer wrote:

The real tragedy is that they're allowed to breed so easily.

couldn't have said it better...

Decisions are just decisions, there are neither "good" or "bad"
LobsterMobster wrote:

*In response to being rewarded with a in-game shack for NOT nuking FO3 city Megaton*
Yeah, but if you set off the bomb in Megaton you are rewarded with a parking lot!

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Being a new father, this kind of story scares me. I don't see myself being capable of anything like what he did, but I do worry about games like WoW that take huge amounts of time to make any progress once you reach level 60... The potential side effect of neglecting a child or losing one's patience over a game is frightening.

MMO's seem to have the biggest impact on me as far as changing my behavior towards others while playing them...mainly because they cannot be paused, they have consequences (though virtual, they can affect many real people at once), and they take so much of a time investment. I know I am guilty of being short with my wife when she comes to ask me questions during the Ossirian fight in AQ20...though my son is always in bed by the time I start any raid, I just don't know that I like the effect the game has on me. My wife doesn't care for it either I'm sure.

Have I talked myself out of continuing to play WoW? :0

What do you all think about MMO Raiding and its compatibility with having a family? I'm starting to feel like I should stick to Multiplayer FPS games, and Single Player games...and maybe Huxley down the road.

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Grayjedi wrote:
LobsterMobster wrote:
Sounds like he wasn't playing anything. The kid just broke the game system.

Then it could have been just as easily a scratch on his car that set him off.

I don't think anyone here is saying that that's not the case.

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Podunk wrote:
This would never have happened if the guy had a PS3. PS3 brings discipline.

The PS3 also would've crushed the kid flat.

NOTE: This is not a doodle bug.

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