WOW- Priest Questions
Hi, folks-
I'm an "episodic player" of WOW, member of GWJ guild; I usually play only during the dark months of Winter- Nov-Mar (that's why you haven't seen me for a loooooong while).....I had the fortune? misfortune? of clocking out BEFORE the Priest Talent/Spell re-build last April, so I have *no idea* on how to, or even if I want to, re-spec my Priest Cerl (think he's level 45? 46? no steed as yet)....does anyone have any helpful advice? Right now, as I recall, he's pretty much a Healer/Holy guy with almost nothing in Shadow and Discipline to strengthen his Holy Talents.
I just glanced at the Talent/Spell stuff for Level 60 and above and I'm really uncetain how to proceed, so I'm looking for advice. Oh, and I primarily play solo- or with you guys- and I'm more interested in being a support member to your groups....
Thanks in advance for any helpful advice
"Eat Keel, Hellbug!"


There are definitely some good guys in your range right now, ce - I can think of three right off the bat who are in their mid-40s. Several of us are just arriving at 40 right now. There are always opportunities for a priest to get in a group. A lot of people have been using this forum to throw up a topic like "WoW - [instance name here] Saturday, ____ _____?" etc.
I know the Killer B's, for instance (now all at 60 I think) have filled out some groups by advertising a time and an intention to do a certain instance. My advice would be to find something that you'd like to do and throw up a general invitation a couple days ahead of time. It's worked well.
And good luck getting that mount! I hit 39 on Monday, and I can't WAIT to get mine!
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As for talents, I can't help you with specifics, but you should know that when you log in, you will be forced to respec since all your talent points were "refunded"(?) due to the talent review.
Also, don't bother considering a talent spec with the expansion talents in mind. When the expansion hits, you'll get a similar free respec, just like the one from the talent review.
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Fedaykin98, thanks for the shout out for the Killer Bs.
Bagman, currently a level 60 Priest, was a shadow specced Priest until he hit 60. Shadow was very helpful for leveling and soloing.
I have since switched over to a typical holy spec with no points in shadow. It has been helpful for raids and for grouping, but it does limit my role somewhat. In another thread I posted three of my suggested build outs for a level 70 Priest. I kind of prefer the hybrid approach listed there, but I am currently specced out as a holy Priest (which is similar to the Holy build in the other thread, just without the additional ten points).
Even as a holy specced Priest, I am still able to solo in the EPLs and other 60 level areas. It is just that the battles take longer and the time between battles takes longer. That said, I am a much better contributor in the traditional role of a Priest for raids and group.
I hope that helps.
Edgar
I hope that helps.
Gamer Tag -- Edgar Newt
Cewargamer - I look forward to seeing you in guild chat soon.
I have a level 45 priest that is my primary alt. Although the Holy/Disc trees are going to be the way you want to spec when you're level 60 for raid purposes, I highly reccommend the Shadow tree for leveling/PvP. I don't particularly intend to raid with my priest much so he will likely stay shadow for 60 and beyond. Shadow is a really fun tree with a lot of damage dealing potential. And just beacause your shadow spec'ed doesn't mean you can't just carry a set of healing gear with you and fill that healbot function adequately in groups.
"Fault always lies in the same place...with those foolish enough to lay blame"*
-Cort
*Unless you're Amazon or Funcom, in which case, SCREW YOU.
Hey Deep, what happened to Zod?
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Shadow to 60 is my usual advice. You'll be doing much more questing and grinding than you will grouping, so you need to be able to kill stuff fast. Even without the holy/disc talents you have plenty of power to heal all of the sub-60 content. After a few points in Disc, as discussed below, you can handle any 5-10 man content. You can get by in 20 or 40 man, but you'll be blown away by a healbot spec.
At 40 you should put all of your points in Shadow to get yourself Shadowform, Improved VE, and Silence. Those will pretty much keep you alive, along with Blackout. Spirit Tap is a must for mana regen. Here is the build I suggest at 40:
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/priest/talents.html?00000000...
After that, you can finish off the shadow tree by maxing the partially-filled talents you have left, or go start working on your Discipline tree. You MUST put enough points in Disc to get Meditation, and I highly recommend Inner Focus and Silent Resolve along the way. People expect you to have Improved Power Word Fortitude, so you should probably get that too. Here is the build I use for my shadow priest, and I've healed everything short of MC with this spec (I am sure I could be a backup raid healer with it, but I would not want to heal MT or OT):
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/priest/talents.html?50520013...
If you want to become a raid healbot some day, remember that you don't need many PvP-type defensive skills, and you don't need many utility spells because someone else is probably there to do it better. Here's the spec I have on my healbot for raiding:
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/priest/talents.html?50420013...
I'm usually MT or OT healer, so I am solely focused on throwing big heals, often, and keeping group #1 up. I have Spell Warding because most of the damage I take is non-physical, and if I do take physical damage it is so massive I will die in two hits regardless of talents (a Lava Destroyer and Onyxia are the last two things I remember killing me with physical damage), so Improved PWS, Improved Inner Fire, Martyrdom, and Blessed Recovery go right out the window. Same sort of deal with aggro - I can't imagine pulling anything off our tanks with healing aggro, so the aggro mitigation talents are less important - I only have points in Silent Resolve to get me to Inner Focus and Meditation. I am tempted to take two points from Silent Resolve to put in Holy Specialization, as more heal crits means more proc of Inspiriation on the MT.
If you aren't planning on raiding, I'd recommend staying shadow spec because of the versatility. Things like Silence and Shadow Focus will serve you better in places like Scholomance than Improved Prayer of Healing will. Many less experienced players get all ramped up about having a holy priest instead of shadow, so just lie about your spec if asked and stay out of Shadowform. Very few non-priests understand how deep you are in shadow for the Shadow Weaving debuff to pop up. After a few pulls, I usually start using VE for healing through the trash mobs, unless the tank is wearing tissue paper. Sometimes at the end of a run, as we stand over the body of the Baron/Gandling/Gordok/Drak, I'll pop into Shadowform if someone in the group had talked any smack about shadow priests' ability to heal.
"Raise high the black flags, my children."
-- Gebhard von Blucher.
Ah, Cerl! My mentor when I first began, I knew nothing of the world and you showed me the way into the light.
I'm so glad you'll be coming back again. Edgar and Deep gave great advice. I, too, was shadow specced up until I began the higher level raids and respecced to holy. Shadow's the way to go for soloing and leveling up to 60. Mindflay is awesome, be sure to melt some faces for me, I miss that. You can still heal your group effectively while shadow-specced, well into the 5-man raids. Since you'll get a free respec, I'd say try out shadow and see how you like it. Then, do what's most fun for you.
If I can reciprocate in any way the help you gave me, just let me know. Like, if you need help with mount-funding or potions or whatnot.
Edited to say I love ST's advice and his popping into shadow-form at the end of a raid - Sassy!
Another edit: after looking at ST's healbot build, I'm wondering if I should respec to that build...Deep, Edgar, whaddya think? Granted, I'd lose my lightwell, but does that really come in that handy? Seems like it doesn't get used that much when I drop it anyway, but it does *look* cool. I don't play the role of a main healer, but I'm open to suggestions for the good of the raid. Not to derail cewergamer's thread, hopefully any discussion here will help him too in the long run.
I think that's a really good build that ST has posted for raiding there Jut. His point spread is well thought out for a raiding priest with good reasoning behind his choices. My only thought is that he has Spiritual Guidance (+damage & Healing 25% of Spirit) but didn't take Divine Spirit. Now understand that I've never raided with a priest so there may be a VERY good reason for this. If I were to raid with my priest I'd probably try this build. But I'm not experienced in this dept so it's open to criticism.
I take the Holy Spec in the first tier of the Holy Tree because heal crits are a very nice thing to have and seem like they can make a big difference. I don't max out inspiration because the armor increase - while a nice side benefit - isn't entirely game winning. If I had only one more point I'd put it in Spiritual Healing to max it out. Instead I choose to get Divine Spirit out of Discipline because of the 5/5 buff I get from Spiritual Guidance. In the Discipline tree I think the skills are pretty self explanatory.
I do agree with you though about the Lightwell. It looks pretty, but I think it's implementation in the game is a little quirky.
For a shadow spec I'm heading in the direction of this build.
Again some can find criticism here but the only thing I'm not entirely sure I'm going to do is wand spec vs. unbreakable will. Wands add a lot of DPS to your character, and +25% is a big bonus. Plus wands don't use mana and they can't be disarmed. So if I'm ever caught in a really crappy situation where I can't fear/run or heal myself and keep fighting I can always PW:Shield and get a few decent licks in with a buffed up wand. You never know, it could be just the last bit you need to win. Im not really concerned with regen talents such as Soul Tap or Meditation since I'm specifically looking at PvP here, not grinding or long boss fights. I'll drink when the fights over. I'm more interested in dishing out punishment as fast as I can, hence the abundance of Shadow talents with a little Discipline to boost things a bit.
"Fault always lies in the same place...with those foolish enough to lay blame"*
-Cort
*Unless you're Amazon or Funcom, in which case, SCREW YOU.
I may be crazy, but the links from Deep's posts all go back to ST's build? Maybe I broke the internet. Sorry!
Oh - I forgot to tell Blast what happened to Zod
I decided to take Zod down because - although I thought he was very cool - he'd served his purpose and was recently re-imprisoned by Superman.
The new photo is actually me standing on a pier in Coronado next to a U.S. Navy Dolphin that I used to train. This is one of my favorite pictures that I have and it always takes me back to those days. The Dolphin's name is Luke (you'd be able to read it on his bucket there if the picture was bigger). The Coronado Bay Bridge is in the background and sunset is just beginning. This was taken shortly after 9/11 when I was recalled back into service for the first time. A whole group of very close friends of mine were also recalled with me and we spent the next year training these animals. We kind of formed a brotherhood that lasts to this day. We took these same animals out to the Middle East a couple years later for operations there. Check out this link and it'll explain the Navy Mammal Program a little more. I had a great time when I was involved with these animals, something I'll definitely tell my grandchildren about
"Fault always lies in the same place...with those foolish enough to lay blame"*
-Cort
*Unless you're Amazon or Funcom, in which case, SCREW YOU.
Hmmm - you're right Jut - fixing it now.
Edit: Fixed
"Fault always lies in the same place...with those foolish enough to lay blame"*
-Cort
*Unless you're Amazon or Funcom, in which case, SCREW YOU.
I want Deepsea's job. Where do I apply?
Gamer Tag -- Edgar Newt
I'm just counting on someone else buffing me with DS. If you are solely raiding like I do with that toon, there are at least a few other priests there, so not everybody needs to have DS. I do try to remember to give some candles to whoever is buffing my group with DS, just to share the consumable burden a bit. I'd need six more points in Discipline to get it myself, and I prefer to have those in Holy for some more healing abilities.
"Raise high the black flags, my children."
-- Gebhard von Blucher.
Thanks for the advice and links, guys....is Lightwell worth putting points into?
And, am I right in reading what has been posted, that at Level 60 you get to re-spec anyway?
Again, my appreciation- I'll see you in Azeroth, soon; her seductive presence is with me, even now....
"Eat Keel, Hellbug!"
Only as far as you'll want to. There are two games within the overarching game called WoW. One is a game of leveling (e.g. levels 1 through 59). The other is a game of acquiring loot for purposes of acquiring loot (go to 5 man instances to get the armour that lets you go into 20 man instances to get armour that lets you go into 40 man instances).
--Edit--
Bleh, only posted half my post.
The thing is, the two games (leveling and equipment hunting) play very differently in the big world of WoW. One is a mainly solo or a quick PUG type of a game, while the other requires a lot of grouping and meshing your skills with that of others. Each class has both kinds of skills. You generally want one set of skills for leveling, and a completely different set of skills to be useful in a 20 or 40 man raid.
This is why it is pretty much a given that you'll respec once you become ready for being 60.
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I took it that he was asking about the free respec referred to in previous posts. I don't know if you will get the refunded talent points from the patch where they refunded them, but there was a free respec for priests a few patches back due to changes in the talents. I used that freebie to respec after turning 60 and beginning raiding. So, no, you don't necessarily get a automatic respec at 60. But you can pay to respec at any time. If I've misunderstood the question, then disregard these comments.
As for lightwell, I think it could be better utilized in the game, still, I've seen it come in handy several times. I guess it really depends on how all the other priests in a raid are specced, as in, if nobody else has lightwell, they might like for you to have it. I just go ahead and drop a lightwell if I go down, and hope it takes the place of the next few heals I may have cast. Back when I was doing MC, they often asked for lightwells to be placed in specific places during battle for when the priest might not safely reach the target to heal. Not sure if they still do that.
I still say go shadow till you get to 60, then see if the groups you are primarily with would better benefit from you having lightwell or vampiric embrace or divine spirit. I know it's not a definitive answer, but hope it helps somewhat.
I am trying to work through a build-out that allows me to retain Vampiric Embrace while still being a healing asset to a raid (yes, I want the best of both worlds).....
Gamer Tag -- Edgar Newt