Going to Europe for 2 Weeks, Ideas?
Friday, September 8th, 2006 - 2:20pm
Hey GWJers, the wife and I are heading to Europe in the end of October and hoping to see as much stuff as possible in two weeks... we are flying round trip to Paris, so a nice route that would lead us back to Paris after 14 days using mainly rail travel would be great... your ideas are always appreciated, thanks TYTD.
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Make a stop off in London, but unless you plan to do 3 or 4 days in the UK, I wouldn't go past the city. I'd trek around Amsterdam, The Hauge, Brugge, Brussels, Luxemburg, maybe go to Switzerland if your keen on it, Milan, Monaco, and Nice. That's a lot of places, but they make a nice big circle from Paris and back. Going west from Paris is a heck of a long train ride from spain, and French countryside if you're into that kind of thing.
Personally I recommend London, Brussels, Amsterdam, Luxemburg, then maybe see if you can get a cheap plane flight down to Venice, and come back through Milan, Monaco, and Nice, before back up to Paris. Then again, I'm a travelling fool, and don't like to spend too much time in one place
*edit* ok sorry, just reread that, I must have travel fever right now. To get the most out of your time, I wouldn't go to far. Check out where you want to go in the NE France, London, Benelux areas and have a good time. Brugge is great, typical little european city in my eyes. Lace, chocolate, canals, windmills, clocktower, cobblestones. They've got everything. Maybe a Paris/London/Brussels/Amsterdam trip is in order, with a stop off in Luxemburg if you're feeling ambitious
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Prague, Vienna, and Budapest. I toured with my high school choir back in the day and performed in a bunch of cathedrals in each city. The architecture alone is incredible.
*edit* Dur, they're about half a continent out of your way. Maybe next time.
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Echoing the others - you really can't go wrong in any of the major cities. Paris was by far my favorite European city (the people there were surprisingly not rude at all), though Amsterdam was also beautiful and had a fun zoo to boot.
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Paris is nice and is worth a good tour, and probably London and Amsterdam too although I've never been to them, but if you want to get away from some of the bigger cities I recommend going to southern France or the Alps. I lived near Grenoble in the Alps for nearly nine years and its a beautiful place if you like mountains but its not a good town to visit in itself. Chamonix is neat to since you can see the Mont Blanc and it's pretty touristy. As far as southern france goes theres a lot of neat towns with roman ruins, you cant see everything but Nice and Monaco are neat to see as the others have said. The Pont du Gard aqueduct is pretty impressive too. Also its only about a 3h or 4h train ride to get down there so its really not that far. And if you want to see more castles and stuff like that I recommend you go more towards Germany, Alsace is pretty different and good for that kind of stuff and WWII stuff like the Maginot line. Thats what I know best and I can think of thousands of other neat places but for two weeks I'll keep it at this. Have a great trip!
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This might be one person's attitude, but if you have two weeks, get yourselves a good room in Paris and explore the city, maybe with a day-trip north or south into the countryside. I understand the motives behind city-hopping, but in my experience, it's significantly more rewarding to cover less ground, more thoroughly.
And if I haven't seen further, it's because those bloody giants blocked my sight.
Nah, they sound like they want to do the touristy "I was there" thing, so Jolly's suggestion seems better, Nemesis. you can see Brugge in a day.
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While Jolly lays out an invigorating tour, NemesisZero makes a valid point. Were it me, I would focus on one or two cities. But, to be fair, I have seen lots and lots of Europe already, *AND* I'm a huge museum freak, and I don't think some museums should be rushed.
For example, in Paris there are enough museums, galleries, architecture, history and general gawping to keep you well amused for two weeks, were you interested in that sort of thing. There's also a vivid night scene, and the food is so absolutely amazing. The bread...oh my god...the bread....*sigh*
Were it me, I would probably do 4 or 5 days in Paris, then I would go to Amsterdam, spend a week there, and possibly save time to visit friends in Milan before heading back for a last day and night in Paris. Ooooh, London, I forgot London...I'd probably cut a few Paris days, and maybe one Amsterdam day, and spend some time catching up with old friends in London.
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It's 4 hours from Paris to Amsterdam in an High Speed Train. And definitely worth it.
There are lots of low-cost (sic) airplane tickets between capitals/important cities here. You can find deals for less than 100€.
What's that in real money?
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If you book in advance you can get round trips by plane for $50 - $75.
I agree with Nemisis and Deva, pick two or three cities and spend time in them. It's much more rewarding than jumping from city to city.
So, I'd sort of blend these together.
Spending a week in paris with Rick Steve's "Mona Winks" book is a religious experience. The Louvre alone takes 2 days to breeze through, a week if you're the kind of person who sits down and sketches (raises hand).
Versaille is absolutely worth the day it takes. Without question.
I'm a bit jaded on london perhaps. If there's stuff there you REALLY want to see for your own reasons, then go for it, but as a city, I'm just not super enamoured with it.
From paris, I'd head south by train to Aix-en-provence or Avignon and spend two days in the Luberon. Just walk, and eat. Then slide over to Nice. Spend a day. Eat more.
From there, you've got a lot of options. My wife and I did aabout 10 days from Nice, through Venice, then on to Vienna and Prague, flying out of Frankfurt. It was a bit of a rush to get that much in, and honestly, I would have skipped vienna to have more time in venice and prague. Venice is insane. I'd spend two weeks there if I had the chance.
As far as more general advice on the "I'm in Europe for two weeks with my wife" front, I'll just tell you what worked for us on a one month delayed honeymoon we took about 10 years ago.
We approached it just like the 18 year olds do (and alas, like we did back then). We took one backpack a piece, 200 bucks in the currency of the day (just extracted from ATMs where we could), passports, and credit cards. We slept wherever we could walk up and find a room. Didn't make a reservation the whole time, in the height of tourist season. We stayed in really nice places, really crappy places, and slept on trains. We ate wherever we happened to find someplace to eat.
One of the best months travelling ever.
One thing I would do differently (and now do, even if I'm just travelling on business). READ MORE. We found ourselves constantly trying to catch up on what we were seeing. "What's that, that was awesome..."
On a recent trip to Rome, I did just the opposite. By the time I got there, I'd read extensively on anything that seemed remotely interesting. Coastal fishing. Architecture. Military battles. When I got there, I felt like I already knew the place, knew where I wanted to go, and had a much better time just BEING there.
Anyway, can't really go wrong as long as you don't overschedule yourself and let serendipity be your guide. It's never the reservations you remember. It's the three year old chasing his sippy-cup down the spanish steps.
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Florence and Venice are my favorites. If you have ever seen the movie "The Longest Day", then you should really get to Normandy and see things like the Pont du Hoc, and San Mar-Eglise. I was just in Europe for two weeks this spring, and the Normandy bit was the highlight of my trip.
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My word as a longtime traveller: if you want to see AND experience cities, pick just Paris and one other city. Otherwise you will see a lot and enjoy almost nothing.
I will try to add some different recommendations: if you are adventurous and want to enjoy Europe in the making, make for eastern parts. Anything east of Bratislava (where I live, accidentally) is currently a fascinating experience. You can get from Paris via Bratislava or Prague to Dubrovnik (Croatia), Sofia, Varna or Burgas (Bulgaria), Bucharest (Romania) or even Kiev (Ukraine). Budapest (Hungary) is a marvel as well, I prefer it to Vienna and Prague. I find western cities quite dull, because they are predictable, but not these ones, they are not yet "western". And if you happen to pass through Bratislava, just drop me an e-mail and I will provide you with a fascinating historical tour of my city:)
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I'd recommend you just stay in France. I guess its personal choice, but blitzkreig touristing through Europe for only two weeks will leave you on trains for 50% of the time. Concentrate on one country (possibly 2 - London-southern england, or nothern italy) and really have enough time to enjoy the places you vist. Believe me once you get back from your trip, the international travle bug will have bit you and you will return to vist other places. It did for my wife and I... we did our honeymoon in Italy (11 days - and we only northern and central) on year later ireland (13 days), this year nothing
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Savor you time... do some history reading before you go about the places your visiting... learn the culture and language to some degree.
I also would second rick steeves books... there not always right about places to vist (portrush in Northern Ireland was a hole)... but usually he has some good insight... just get over his cheesy music and fashion sense in his videos.
I've just been to Cracow recently, and I couldn't get enough of it. The old town is glorious, and the whole of southern Poland is a marvelous place. I'd also recommend Prague, which is equally magnificent. And they're only an overnight train ride away from each other.
I agree with the wanderingtaoist, the Marshall Plan cities are all what you'd expect.
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Negatory, el_dino. While not useful for you TuYoung, there is plenty to see south of Venice... Naples, Capri, Paestum, Taoromino... You could spend a week in Sicily alone. And if your a classics buff, like me, that's where the real Italy is. All that Renaissance fluff is over-hyped *rasberries*.
And remember, when in France, that Gallia est omnes divisa in partes tres.
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Well, based on the advice I've received so far, we've cut out an overnight train to Barcelona and some nights in North Italy... we are going to stay longer in Paris and Rome, and a few nights in Venice as well... but please, keep the advice coming!
BTW, I'm a noob traveler, I didn't fly until my honeymoon and since we've only done a couple cities in the US on business and the Caribbean (Cuba, Mexican Riviera)...
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Note that I said southeast, meaning Slovenia, Croatia, BiH, Serbia etc. Nothing to see until Greece. Whole Italy is great.
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