Lenin, Hitler . . . Osama?
Tuesday, September 5th, 2006 - 3:17pm
"Bin laden and his terrorist's allies have made their intentions as clear as Lenin and Hitler before them," the president said before the Military Officers Association of America and diplomatic representatives other countries that have suffered terrorist attacks. "The question is `Will we listen? Will we pay attention to what these evil men say?'"
Considering all three men said different things, it's hard to know what we're supposed to be paying attention to. Why not just toss Attila the Hun and Caligula into the pot?
Bad enough he continues to hammer the erroneous and illogical Hitler connection again, but Lenin?
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As my friend from Samara put it the other day "Comparing a primative like Osama bin Laden to Hitler is an insult to the brave Russians who actually defeated the Nazis".
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It reminds me of a Cheers episode where Cliff Claven is given the names of three people he doesn't know as the answer in the final round of the gameshow Jeopardy, and all he can come up with is, "Who are three people who have never been in my kitchen?"
Seems like you could build a case against Islamic terrorism and/or fundamentalism as a political doctrine without resorting to the old standby of "Look- the guy is worse than Hitler- you remember that guy, right? Band of Brothers- they fought against hitler- he was like the SS and stuff. Geshtapo."
I love how first Bush was all cowboy vigilante on Osama: "wanted dead or alive!"
Then he started saying things like "I don't really think about him all that much" when the hunt grew stale.
And now, just in time for election season, it's "Osama is the reincarnation of Hitler! Boo! Scared ya, didn't I?"
I think the president is grasping at anything to salvage his footings. However, though I don't believe this myself, a person could make a case that Osama is the Hitler of our times. Also, I think there are some Nostradamus followers that think Nostradamus called Hitler and anti-christ and feel that it applies to Osama.
Go for their eyes boo
Like we all didn't expect this right about now. More than the fact that he's saying these retarded things, I'm irate that this will actually help his buddies and his poll numbers.
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I think it is safe to say that Osama bin Laden is the Andreas Baader of our times. We're just pussies about it.
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I was thinking he was more like what Marx was to Stalin
Go for their eyes boo
I prefer to think of him as Ulricke Meinhof, if it's all the same to you.
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Tough case to make, since Hitler could call on all the resources of a large, highly organized european state with the latest technology and a huge army. Whereas Osama lives in a cave someplace with a bunch of clever but lightly armed madras graduates.
Hitler killed six million jews and 20 million russians, along with a lot of other people. What's Osama done except take advantage of lax airport security and set off bombs in some bases, restaurants and office buildings around the world for a total death toll maybe 5,000. His minions number in the thousands, not the millions. He's a problem, but he's not Hitler level threat.
Hell, he's not even a William Wallace.
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Maybe he's David Foster Wallace?
Is anyone else amused that Bush has now resorted to mentioning Hitler, which is the death knell of many an internet forum thread?
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MaverickDago wrote:
It gets better. Condi has been sent out with these gems:
Rice likens Iraq and Civil War critics
Rice then offered a parallel between critics of the administration's Iraq policies and "people who thought it was a mistake to fight the Civil War (in this country) to its end and to insist that the emancipation of slaves would hold."
"I'm sure that there were people who said, "why don't we get out of this now, take a peace with the South, but leave the South with slaves."
"Just because things are difficult, it does't mean that they are wrong or that you turn back," Rice told the magazine, which has a large audience among African-Americans.
Rice, a former academic, said she spent the summer reading biographies of the Founding Fathers and said she was certain "there were people who thought the Declaration of Independence was a mistake" as well.
Condi, what about thinking that making the movie Titanic was a bad idea? The fact that Titanic killed at the box office would seem to indicate that we have to stay the course in Iraq.
Also, didn't President Hayes pull federal troops out of the south in the 1877, leaving the racists inpower to screw with black people for another 90 or so years- seems like that would be an important part of the analogy.
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Dumb guy, but a reasonable response
Idiot response
Aaaaaaand Godwin'd idiot response.
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Yup. That was just straight up bizarre. One really wonders what audience she was pandering to with THAT comment. Certainly not the Southern red states.
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When their lastest spin attempt fails. Who will be the new face of evil that they can try to use to justify their actions. Perhaps compare Iran to Pol Pot and the Kmer Rouge. Oh wait I got it. Some one gets compared to Darth Vader, yeah thats the ticket.
Go for their eyes boo
The reason I bring up William Wallace is that the movie Braveheart is particularly popular in the Arab world. The Arab Street, apparently, sees it as an analog for their relationship with us. In a messianic way, they are looking for a Salah h'din or William Wallace to lead them to toss off what they view as "crusader chains".
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That would be sweet. I can just picture Bush scrunching up his face like he does when he's explaining something to the common folk.
"See, the terrorists- they're kinda like that Vader guy- goin' round messin with people. The emporer- he says the rebels can't govern themselves- he says Jawas can't be free. I don't agree with that. Jawas, droids, Alderanians, even that freaky lookin' alien looks like a Chinese guy- what they want is freedom...."
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MaverickDago wrote:
I am very surprised they have not tried to toss one of their own under the bus yet. I can see Rummy resigning/being fired come late October if the polls are looking very sour. Just what GWB will need is 2 years of lame duckness.
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The irony is that an oppositional Congress in his first term may very well have made him a far more effective and responsible president. Without effective oversight, he's managed to borrow enough rope to hang himself and the American reputation. Now he's trying to get Congress to approve the wholesale dismantling of the Constitution in the rewriting of rules regarding due process. If they go along with it, he'll be remembered as the president that made McCarthy look bush league.
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Sadly its starting to look like that.
Go for their eyes boo
Well in my eyes, Bush is soon going to be thrown in the same pot himself....
How many innocent Iraqies have died because of this man's ego, stupidity and failed policies?
10 000 - 100 000 - more?
Do reliable statistics exists on non combatant losses in Iraq at all by the way??
Though someone might actually care about the number of innocent Iraqis, I must admit it isn't very high on my moral or political calculations. I'm far more concerned with the impact the monumentally horrendous management of the presidential office has had on Americans. Despite the rhetoric about "this generation's nazis", no sane person in DC honestly decided to go to war in Iraq to make a better life for Iraqis. If they did, they should be tried for treason. The decision for Americans to go to war or not should be solely based on American interest. It is, after all, American money and American lives that will be spent on the enterprise.
That being said, the reasons for objecting to this war on purely mercenary grounds are legion. It is perhaps the single worst foreign policy decision any American president has ever made.
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The comparison is bogus, becase:
Hitler -- wore pants.
Bin Laden -- not wearing pants.
Case closed.
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Hmm. William Wallace didn't wear pants either.
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... who, as alluded to above, would drop his pants before battle - only to be shot for breaking Holy Rule #1495.
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