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I grew up in Florida at a time when "hockey" was almost entirely unknown. I'm late to the sport as a viewer, and I'm late to it as a player. But that little itch that's been building over the years has grown to a fever pitch. I want to learn to play hockey!

I'm curious whether any of our hockey playing congregation has any tips for an old man wanting to learn to play, from acquiring equipment to whatever else. I've found a couple of places that have adult "learn to play" classes, including one that starts on the 13th at one of the local rinks. I'm very tempted to sign up, but it apparently means having all the gear to play hockey. That's a tough one to chew on having only been on the ice maybe 3 times in my life. I think I can do it -- I'm not a useless skater and can actually do a bit better than my Canadian wife, like skating backwards and stuff -- but making that plunge is quite a time and money commitment.

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I think when that happens your eyebrows kind of stay close to the hairline, they don't waggle much.

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I started at 23 and love it even though I'm late to the game as well. I know lots of guys that have picked the sport up in their 30s and 40s and love it too. I used to play in a morning pickup game before work that had a 65 and a 63 year old guy playing. Both were pretty solid, too. Hockey really isn't about age so much as commitment. Because the game requires you to essentially reteach your entire body how to move to play the game, it takes a pretty strong force of will to say 'Dammit, I want to get better at this' and put in the time. If your local rink has public skates, go to as many as you absolutely can, all they require is a bit of cash and your own skates. Find a pro shop with a friendly experienced equipment guy to help you with skates in particular. A lot of rinks also have what's called a 'stick & puck' where the only gear requirements are skates, helmet and stick. Basically kids just skate around, take some breakaways on goalies and practice their own stuff. If you don't want to buy all the eq up front (and I can understand that!), get that equipment guy to help you out with the basics for stick and puck and get some time in those. Then pick up the rest of the gear a few pieces at a time, or all of it when you're ready for 'learn to play' classes. The biggest reason for having all your gear at those is because to really learn to skate, you need to fall...a lot. If you're not falling, you're probably not trying hard enough But, a good eq guy will help you find the pieces that are comfortable for you, and supportive. I tried on 4 different pairs of pants before I found the ones I liked, same with elbows and shoulders.

That being said, hockey is the greatest game there is. The speed at which it can be played is mind blowing. The athleticism required to skate at top speed, weave between players, control the puck, deke and deliver is tremendous. The amount of fun you can have just skating and screwing around on the ice is incredible. The fact that you can crash into guys at full speed, bounce a bit and keep on going makes it worth all that money.

The downside, of course, is the time commitment. You can really only learn to skate by getting lots of ice. Find an adult skating skills class nearby, too. I took a huge leap in my development after I took my first skating class and realized what I was doing wrong and what I needed to learn. I took what I picked up there and made myself do a lot of drills at public skates. It's really hard to play the game at all before you can hockey stop on both sides well, so make sure you're practicing that.

I teach friends how to skate all the time at my rink. I love doing it, and I think I can explain/demonstrate/give advice pretty well. My best advice really is to find someone who's a better skater than you are that will go to publics with you and help you out. And/or make friends with the skate guards And do it a lot! Any ice is good ice!

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Ah, I knew (and hoped) I'd hear from Mix. Thanks bud, good advice all around.

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I started playing floor hockey and should be making the progression to ice hockey within a year or so. I'm only 20 and can rollerblade quite well so basically I just need to learn how to stop on skates (I could never get that when I first learned).

What position do you want to play?

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Not much more to add. Hockey is a wonderful sport, but it requires the kind of time and committment few people have in this age of instant gratification.

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Thanks for the words Mix. It's been a dream of mine to get into the game as well. I think as soon as things settle down I'm going to do some of those adult skating lessons to get started.

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My rink has a great young hockey director that is a blast to play with and learn from, so that's helped me a lot. The thing about skating is that in order to get better you have to constantly push yourself out of your comfort zone. But, luckily you're wearing all this crap, so falling is more embarassing than painful. Please keep me up to date on how you're doing, I love to hear it. And just keep repeating the mantra to yourself: Any ice is good ice!

Here are some pics from when I was first learning to skate. Across the fourth row you'll notice a series of five pics where I'm wearing the number 6 and a guy had fallen next to me and slides into my legs and takes me down from behind. And he was on my team! The pic in the middle with me parallel to and a foot above the ice is too awesome.

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What position do you want to play?

Dunno! I imagine it'll depend somewhat on what fits me. I have a feeling I'll wind up a defenseman. I'm relatively big (6'2", 215) and I'm more of a defender... in CTF games I'm not the guy that heads in for the flag, I'm the guy that protects and fetches ours. That said, I'd love to be a winger or even a center. I don't know that I'll have the right stuff for it, though. Don't want to be a goalie. Just don't.

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What position do you want to play?

Dunno! I imagine it'll depend somewhat on what fits me. I have a feeling I'll wind up a defenseman. I'm relatively big (6'2", 215) and I'm more of a defender... in CTF games I'm not the guy that heads in for the flag, I'm the guy that protects and fetches ours. That said, I'd love to be a winger or even a center. I don't know that I'll have the right stuff for it, though. Don't want to be a goalie. Just don't.

The typical progression in men's league is for new people to start on right wing if they're right handed, or on left wing if they're left handed. It's kinda like the Dilbert principle where you move them to the place where they can do the least damage. Obviously in pickup games you can play where you like, but other people will get frustrated if the defense can't get to or play the puck, it slows down the game. After a lot of experience on wing (and hopefully a few goals) you can try to move to center or defense. The really good guys usually move back and forth between defense and center, depending on what's needed.

There's pluses and minuses to all the positions and you'll learn them as you play. Wingers tend to have the least responsibility, and have a lot of freedom to move and be creative. Defenders have a huge responsibility, obviously, but they play a more mental game. Trying to out guess opponents, making smart decisions and standing up to people better than you are all tough skills. Defense can be a thankless job, too. You don't get a lot of praise when you do well, but you'll hear it when you screw up. Centers have ALL the responsibility. They have to be everywhere, and always aware of the entire ice. They've got to cut off passes, pickup breakout passes, skate end to end, setup plays, score, and everything else. They have to be a steady rock that hussles every second. Even though I'm not the best skater out there, I love to play center because it's so demanding and exciting.

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I was about to say, we always start folks up in the forwards because, if they screw up, they fail to score (as opposed to giving up goals).

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Good points, shows what I know. I certainly look forward to giving it a shot. It'll likely be a while before I do anything worthwhile, but it'll be nice to work my way up. Again, thanks for the insights.

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There's pluses and minuses to all the positions and you'll learn them as you play. Wingers tend to have the least responsibility, and have a lot of freedom to move and be creative. Defenders have a huge responsibility, obviously, but they play a more mental game. Trying to out guess opponents, making smart decisions and standing up to people better than you are all tough skills. Defense can be a thankless job, too. You don't get a lot of praise when you do well, but you'll hear it when you screw up. Centers have ALL the responsibility. They have to be everywhere, and always aware of the entire ice. They've got to cut off passes, pickup breakout passes, skate end to end, setup plays, score, and everything else. They have to be a steady rock that hussles every second. Even though I'm not the best skater out there, I love to play center because it's so demanding and exciting.

This is so true. I coach a team at my university (it's just floor hockey) and I make a point of praising my defencemen as much as possible.

I play centre but in a pinch I'm known to switch to any position that is needed. That's one of the many things I love about hockey, you are not locked into one position...even during a shift.

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Yeah but.... Lots of folks just want to be defencemen so they don't have to be in shape. That torques me off more than a little bit when some out of shape guy says he plays defence. If you're not going to put in the effort to get in shape, stay off the ice.

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Yeah but.... Lots of folks just want to be defencemen so they don't have to be in shape. That torques me off more than a little bit when some out of shape guy says he plays defence. If you're not going to put in the effort to get in shape, stay off the ice.

Not to mention that good defense requires agility to not get beat by fast guys and sharp passers. I hate lazy defensemen that don't move up with the play or get back fast enough.

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Yeah but.... Lots of folks just want to be defencemen so they don't have to be in shape. That torques me off more than a little bit when some out of shape guy says he plays defence. If you're not going to put in the effort to get in shape, stay off the ice.

Not to mention that good defense requires agility to not get beat by fast guys and sharp passers. I hate lazy defensemen that don't move up with the play or get back fast enough.

Bigtime. I had one guy tell me "I have to play defense because I'm not fast enough to play forward". I told him "well, you're just fast enough for the bench then".

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I would say if you are interested in learning how to play hockey your best bet is to find someone who can skate really well and can show you the basic technique of how to skate well. Don't jump into that class where you have to buy all the gear and stuff, you will just get frustrated because your ability to skate isn't up to par. Things you need to learn are how to skate forward (of course) and take turns while crossing over with your feet so that you can keep or build up your speed for the straight away. Most people can cross over really well one way but have a tough time the other. Really work on getting good on your weak side. You don't have to be great just good. You should also learn how to skate backwards and even turn while skating backwards. Don't worry about speed that will happen once you have the technique of skating backwards down properly. Once you can skate both forwards and backwards you should than learn how to change from forwards to backwards on the fly without falling on your ass or loosing balance (especially if you want to play defense). Of course somewhere during all this you also need to learn how to stop, especially the power stop using the edge of your blades. It can be pretty intimidating to do at first but if you start of slow you will find it really isn't all that hard or scary. I started skating when I was like 7 or 8 years old and didn't learn to stop until about 2 years later. I would just do big banana turns or stop at the boards or fall into a snow bank to stop. Once someone took the time to teach me how to stop I had it down in less than 20 minutes and it totally changed the way I skated.

Once you have learned to skate, than pick up a stick and puck and with a buddy just practice passing and shooting etc. Again it is always good to practice with someone who knows what they are doing and can teach the technique. One of the biggest things is to learn how to handle the puck with your stick without having to look at it. If you ever want to play a game of hockey it is crucial you learn to keep your head up so you can see where you are going. Skating with your head down is the fastest way to get rocked even in non contact hockey.

Once you have all that down than consider joining one of those workshops and buying all the equipment etc.

The most important thing about skating is to make sure you have the right size skates. Make sure your skates are tight fighting. Generally you should be looking for skates that are half a size smaller than your shoes. Wearing skates that are too big for your feet will make it really hard to learn how to skate properly and bloody ankles as you'll find it hard to keep your ankles straight and the skates will rub your ankles raw. You should also ask around to find out where the best place to sharpen skates are as a bad edge can also make it impossibleto skate properly.

I have played some form of organized hockey for about half of my life. It can be a lot of fun. Left or Right Wing is the easiest position to play while defense (if played properly) is the most difficult. So start as a forward and if you like defense keep practicing footwork especially while skating backwards.

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CF, I live in Raleigh and work at a hockey pro shop. Come check out Coolsports if you are still in need of equipment.

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CF, I live in Raleigh and work at a hockey pro shop. Come check out Coolsports if you are still in need of equipment.

I swear to almighty Jebus, Lagrius, I was heading there today at lunch anyway! How odd of a coincidence is that? Well, I hope to get over there for lunch... my Xbox 360 took a sh*t and I have to take it back to EB for a trade-in at lunch today so I may run out of time. Thanks for the heads-up, though!

As an update I started a "learn to skate" class last weekend at a local rink. I was one of about 5 adults and, surprisingly, I caught on pretty quickly! I can skate forwards, backwards, stop (though no hockey stops yet), do my "good side" crossover and somewhat do my bad side, do transitions forward and backward in both directions of rotation. It felt really good! The other students were a little ticked figuring I was a ringer brought in for some reason, but I assured them that I had only been on the ice a couple of times.

After the skating stuff, they had available a stick-handling portion though I don't think it was meant for those of us who were just learning to skate. But I convinced them I wouldn't hold them up . So, with a borrowed stick we worked on basic stationary stick handling, then worked on skating forwards and backwards with the puck, then worked on passing while stationary, then passing while moving. What fun! Passing was a whole lot of fun. My passing buddy had kind of heavy, cement-like hands and so when I flung it across to him it sounded like someone chopping a tree down. I have decent balance and weight-shifting ability from all the kung fu, so the whole "soft hands, receive pass, fling pass" thing was pretty easy to get into. It was just fun.

So, they let me get in on that one only because I begged. I'm really supposed to have stick, gloves, and helmet which is what I'll be buying today. I really need skates because my feet were killing me in the public skates, at least until we started the hockey stuff and I guess I forgot about my feet hurting or I got used to them or something. But, this has been kind of a spendy month so I'll likely wait on skates for a while.

EDIT: By the way, thanks for all of the great advice everyone. I took it all to heart and it went into my decisions on progression. I didn't take the hockey class that I mentioned but rather a more basic skating class with some optional hockey elements to get my feet wet. I don't really know any good skaters to show me the ropes, so I figured "professional" skate training would be my best bet for starters.

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But skates are the most important part! Good, comfy, sharp skates will improve your skating in leaps and bounds. You'll have much better balance and lean control and be able to make sharper turns and quicker stops. Also, if you spend too much time in rentals you'll have to do some relearning when you get real skates. Plus, you can get your own skates baked to fit your feet. Just a helpful tip

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Don't get me wrong, I'd love to go out and buy skates today. In fact, the Coolsports place mentioned above does this very baking to which you refer as my passing buddy last week attested. But I simply can't justify the expenditure this month, I really can't. It's a tough call to get the gloves and stuff, but it's the only way they'll let me do the stick handling part so I feel like I have no choice in the matter there.

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Give in CF...Give in! Skates are a hockey players best friend (unless you are a goalie, their best friend is the goal post).

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Sounds like your having fun CF and that is the most important part. The worse thing you can do is buy a cheap pair of skates so certainly wait till you have some cash to spend for a good pair. Having said that, the most expensive pair of skates are not necessarly the best skates either. Try on several pairs and fined the ones that you feel comfortable in. Remember they need to fit very snuggly. You don't wan't wiggle room, but you should be able to put them on fairly easily too.

As far as sticks and gloves, don't go with the expensive stuff, especially the stick. The new carbon fiber sticks are a huge waste of money especially for a beginer. Find a nice wood stick that feels good in your hands depending on how tall you are you might need to chop a little off the top so that it is sized right for you. I would also stay away from anything with a big curve on it. While you are learning how to puck handle a small curve is best, once you get used to handling the puck you can consider getting a bigger curve so that you can get a better slapshot.

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CF, I was off today, but there are only three or four guys who work there and all of them know what they're talking about. Coolsports has been getting in new products every week, including skates and sticks. As far as skates go, I would recommend something above entry level if you can sacrifice the money for it. There is a huge difference just between entry level and a mid range boot, including the whole baking issue as well. Since I wasn't there I can't tell you what boot would be best, but definately try lots of stuff on if possible. Good luck with your new sport

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Thanks guys. I ended up only making it to Play It Again Sports today since I took too long with my 360. I didn't end up buying anything today because the used stuff simply wasn't as much of a bargain as it should have been and nobody there could help me with sizing. So, I'll likely try to head to Coolsports tomorrow during lunch since I have nothing else to do during lunch tomorrow. Maybe I'll see you tomorrow, Lagrius! Just look for the bald guy.

I'm tempted to ignore the "suggestions" of the instructors in terms of what I need to do the stick-handling lessons during this class. If they let me in with nothing but rented skates last time, then I should be able to do it with nothing more than skates the rest of the time . As such, I may have to cave and look at skates. Maybe. That would be a tougher sell with the missus as I have a lot of hobbies and only so much cash. I know you guys are right and the skates are the most important aspect, but I should probably get more than one lesson under my belt and show some (more) aptitude and possibility of taking it further before investing in skates. We'll see, though.

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So how ya doin Coldie?

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Good man! I got a helmet, gloves, and knee pads so far, used. I'm still using the rented skates -- and hating it, and hurting, and not learning to trust my edges *sigh* -- and getting by okay. Doing stops and starts, puck handling around cones, tight cuts, etc. I haven't been able to get out and practice except for the class so I'm not improving by leaps and bounds at this point. But last week we were working a drill where one person would skate forward, the other backward and passing back and forth between us. The fact that I can skate backwards and receive and pass the puck seems amazing to me considering I just started. Still having fun!

Hopefully skates will come sometime soon .

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The fact that I can skate backwards and receive and pass the puck seems amazing to me considering I just started.

Excellent! Backward skating is a big hurdle for some people, I'm very impressed. I play defense a lot because I'm willing to, so I'm big on backward skating and backward footwork. It's mostly about the hips and using your center of gravity to get you moving in the right direction. Keep it up!

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