J.J. Abrams Directing Next Star Trek Flick

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http://www.cnn.com/2006/SHOWBIZ/Movies/04/21/leisure.startrek.reut/index.html

I'm not the biggest Trek fan, more of a Star Wars guy really, but I do like some of the stuff Abrams does. This has got me interested in seeing a new Trek movie that doesn't suck (and it's been awhile for that). Let's hope he doesn't do an awful job on MI:3. Translating success from the small screen to the big screen can be challenging. What works in episodic television, where you have an entire season to develop plot lines and characters, most of the time can't be condensed into two hours.

*Fingers Crossed*

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Daily Variety said the action would center on the early days of "Star Trek" characters James T. Kirk and Mr. Spock, including their first meeting at Starfleet Academy and first outer-space mission.

Mr. Spock would calculate the probability of this movie sucking at 92%.

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An Academy prequel movie is NOT what Trek needs right now. Or even a movie for that matter. We need another series to introduce us to another crew, another ship, etc. Put it on Sci-Fi and get Ron Moore back into the franchise.

But if Nick Meyer came back to do a movie, I would not complain.

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You are letting emotions cloud your judgement, highly illogical.

The real question is, will they find someone to play a young Kirk who acts like William Shatner?

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This actually sounds cool. One of my favorite "expanded universe" stories was the novel Best Destiny which told the story of Kirk's early days. It was quite enjoyable.

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Will anything make Trek fans happy at this point?

Anything is doomed to fail just like SW 1-3. Fans expect too much and nothing can deliver the hype.

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Fletcher wrote:
This actually sounds cool. One of my favorite "expanded universe" stories was the novel Best Destiny which told the story of Kirk's early days. It was quite enjoyable.
I suspect that has to do with not having some actor screw up what you were expecting of a young Kirk. Anyone they cast in Shatner's role is going to have a very vocal fanbase who will hate anything he does. Plus, I highly doubt the people in charge will be able to resist the prequel pit trap of having forward references everywhere (Star Wars catch phrases in Episodes 1-3, Crew meetings in Babylon 5 prequel movies, etc.).

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Will anything make Trek fans happy at this point.

Anything is doomed to fail just like SW 1-3. Fans expect too much and nothing can deliver the hype.


Right. Taking time off was the second best option (the best would have been to let Enterprise continue after they started having good episodes in Season 4), and they need to keep doing that for a bit. Prequel ideas are usually bad, and unless they get some really talented writers with some really good ideas, this will not end well, I think.

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Prequel just doesn't sound like a good idea. The problem with this sort of prequel is that the history of these characters is so defined, there wouldn't be anything new or exciting about seeing Kirk and Spock. Sure, they'd be young, but you know in the end they're going to be on the Enterprise. At least with Star Wars you got to see how Darth Vader descended to the Dark Side (nevermind that it was pretty lame).

Give us something new. Keep moving the universe forward past the Next Generation movies. Let's not get all nostalgic about the original series and make some prequels to it.

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. . . how Darth Vader descended to the Dark Side (nevermind that it was pretty lame).

Exactly. And Darth Vader was a great villain who didn't need to be given much of a backstory. "He was seduced by the dark side of force" was always enough for me. Or at least we needed someone better than Lucas to make the story more compelling.

A good Kirk backstory isn't impossible, but what are the chances that they'd hand it to a writing and directing team with enough freedom to actually come up with something new and unexpected?

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Funkenpants wrote:
A good Kirk backstory isn't impossible, but what are the chances that they'd hand it to a writing and directing team with enough freedom to actually come up with something new and unexpected?

Like, maybe, that he used to be a woman?

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It sounds too good to be true and considering the source isn't an official notice from Paramount but a Daily Variety article, I'll hold out for notice from J.J. before I get too excited.

Edit: And remember, folks, this is the same creative group behind such gems as the aforementioned MI3, along with contributions towards such classics as Armageddon and The Island.

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Just let it die.. please... let it die.

Agreed. I have made a firm decision that it is time to move on from the treasured fantasy universes of my youth. There are so many fabulous new ones to explore that looking back feels like a waste of time.

Or maybe I'm just still bitter about the Star Wars crap...

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Yeah I'm not looking forward to this much either. I haven't really enjoyed anything Star Trek since DS9 . You also have to remember the Star Trek movie even/odd rule. This will be an odd so it will be teh suk.

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Bah. Nemesis was an even number and it royally sucked.

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Bah. Nemesis was an even number and it royally sucked.

Yes it did.

However, I can't help but think Abrams might pull it off some how. Even though I think a Young Kirk movie is a bad idea. I mean, I like Abrams' work on Alias (the early seasons) and Lost. I won't malign MI3, because I have yet to see it. Abrams also wrote Regarding Henry, which helps cancel out his out on Armageddon.

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There's a huge difference in tone between the original Star Trek and Star Trek NG, so you kind of wonder which one they'd follow in the new movie.

There was also a huge leap between the production values of the original and the movies, and the sense that the original didn't last long enough in production, leaving a lot of folks with an appetite for more stories about the Federation.

But the Star Trek NG movies I saw just always seemed like expanded versions of the TV shows, and by the time the movies began the characters and story lines on STNG were pretty played out. They seemed tiny on the big screen.

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Or even a movie for that matter. We need another series to introduce us to another crew, another ship, etc. Put it on Sci-Fi and get Ron Moore back into the franchise.

I agree (although I also agree you need to take a longer break). The Star Wars prequels were painful because all I was really interested in was what the hook was that turned Anakin (don't follow SW that closely so don't flame me for misspelling the name). 9 hours to find out it was love. Painful.

I know what happens to Kirk and Spock. So unless you're going to do all CGI like Final Fantasy: Spirits Within and get Shatner to do Kirk's voice (not as tough to get someone to do Spock), leave those icons alone. It won't satisfy anyone.

But you've got this huge universe with new races introduced weekly in all of the series. Give us another ship, or world, or race, or profession (Roddenberry's legacy has painted Starfleet into a corner from a storytelling perspective: they're TOO honorable, efficient, ethical, brilliant, etc; they're BORING). Lets see some of them from new perspective.

Want a challenge that would bring Star Trek back to great sci-fi? Do Star Trek Worlds, and give us a different story/locale/cast every week, and tie it together with an overarching plot or theme. Take the best of all the fan fiction and paperback Trek novels and distill them into a new series. Without being hidebound to a set of characters, you could really explore worthwhile themes, or good solid speculative fiction. I always thought James Blish's adaptations of the original series episodes, and expanding on them in a "Hard" science fiction style made outstanding stories.

The Star Trek universe is interesting; Kirk and Spock were interesting; making yet another new series with characters that are the "new" Kirk/Spock/Picard/Data or combination thereof, slapped down in another ship (read: "new" Enterprise) ISN'T.

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This actually sounds cool. One of my favorite "expanded universe" stories was the novel Best Destiny which told the story of Kirk's early days. It was quite enjoyable.

I agree 150%. "Best Destiny" was a great backstory. Young Kirk's life attitude, his father, Captain April's life attitude, what happened on April's ship made for a wonderful book. Diane Carey is a pretty damned good writer, (if you're doing backstory-ish, then Diane Duane's "Spock's World" is another good one. )

i think with some modifications it could be a cool movie, but that's not what this movie will be. it's going to be "Star Trek Academy: 90210". a movie version of the series they were discussing before Enterprise came out. I still say they shoudl have gone with a Section 31 series w/ Doctor Bashir or some other "reluctant hero" type in section 31. coulda been sweet, but i suppose that's too dark for Star Trek, where everything is light and airy, and the future is perfect, and humans are gods, and sh*t like that. (yah, i 'm a B5 fan, ain't it obvious? )

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What they should do is have the movie in the Federation universe, but centered on a ship run by a hard-edged captain and his crew. Have a quirky female engineer, a pilot married to the female first officer, a doctor who's just rescued his freakishly brilliant sister from a secret Federation program that's messed up her mind, and a hot whore in a push-up bra. Have them travel through the federation's world as they smuggle stuff and try to avoid the Federation's secret police.

That might be good.

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What they should do is have the movie in the Federation universe, but centered on a ship run by a hard-edged captain and his crew. Have a quirky female engineer, a pilot married to the female first officer, a doctor who's just rescued his freakishly brilliant sister from a secret Federation program that's messed up her mind, and a hot whore in a push-up bra. Have them travel through the federation's world as they smuggle stuff and try to avoid the Federation's secret police.

That might be good.


That would be brilliant!

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Funkenpants wrote:
What they should do is have the movie in the Federation universe, but centered on a ship run by a hard-edged captain and his crew. Have a quirky female engineer, a pilot married to the female first officer, a doctor who's just rescued his freakishly brilliant sister from a secret Federation program that's messed up her mind, and a hot whore in a push-up bra. Have them travel through the federation's world as they smuggle stuff and try to avoid the Federation's secret police.

That might be good.


I'd watch it!

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Oddly enough, this isn't the first attempt to do a Starfleet Academy movie. Behold the possibilities...

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Oddly enough, this isn't the first attempt to do a Starfleet Academy movie. Behold the possibilities...

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TREK V also represents what many fans believe to be the truest expression of the Classic Era characters.

Do what now? Maybe someone could explain this one to me, because all I remember of Star Trek V was a bad supporting cast, Shatner doing acrobatics, and Vulcan Jesus.

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I think he speaks of the awkward banter between Kirk, Spock, and McCoy that's often been mistaken for dialogue.

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Well, full quote is:

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STAR TREK V is a film whose ambitions were undercut by Paramount's increasing lack for support for the "Classic" TREK franchise (with greater attention being afforded the then white-hot NEXT GENERATION.) Budget cuts and conceptual dampening burdened the movie with a decidedly clunky quality. Ironically, TREK V also represents what many fans believe to be the truest expression of the Classic Era characters. It was very much a mixed bag; TREK at both its weakest and strongest.

A little better in context, but still absolutely 100% bull-sheeeeeit.

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I am not a Star Trek fan, but I too think it would be too weird to have another set of people playing Kirk's crew... I hope they are smart enough to leave the original series alone, and maybe talk about some other ship for this movie.

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I think the biggest problem with the Trek series is the whole Time Travel crap they kept pumping out especially in the Enterprise series. If there is anyone one thing that ruined the legacy I blame it on that. Now some Time Travel episodes once in a blue moon can be fun but they became a crutch for what I believe were bad writers who couldn't think of anything inspiring and original so they decided to toy with the universe itself and left Star Trek in a really, really bad spot.

I would love to see some new blood pumped back into the Trek Universe so I will reserve judgement until I see this new film if it ever comes out.

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